AMD Readies Radeon RX 6700 (non-XT)? Sapphire Custom Design Card Suggests so

[Chrispy_]

Nope. As others have said, this is too little, too late.

Searching Ebay in Europe for sold listings you can very easily pick up one of hundreds of used RTX 2080 for about €350, which also have better DXR performance, support DLSS, DLAA, and have a vastly better hardware encoder. Sold listings is history too, RTX 20-series cards are depreciating fast and current listings ending next weekend may not even cost that much.

All of the millions of GPUs that were MIA from the enthusiast gaming market because of mining are now starting to appear on the used market so setting MSRPs at COVID-era levels is going to backfire fast. Possibly before this thing even hits the shelves.

 

[Daven]

Nope. As others have said, this is too little, too late.

Searching Ebay in Europe for sold listings you can very easily pick up one of hundreds of used RTX 2080 for about €350, which also have better DXR performance, support DLSS, DLAA, and have a vastly better hardware encoder. Sold listings is history too, RTX 20-series cards are depreciating fast and current listings ending next weekend may not even cost that much.

All of the millions of GPUs that were MIA from the enthusiast gaming market because of mining are now starting to appear on the used market so setting MSRPs at COVID-era levels is going to backfire fast. Possibly before this thing even hits the shelves.

Again too little too late for what? Is there some law somewhere that requires us all to buy this product? Or is there some law somewhere that says a company can’t release this product? This might not even be the last RDNA2 GPU release. It takes up to three years now before a company might stop releasing SKUs in a particular product series. Three years!! And companies will continue doing this. So copy and paste ‘too little too late‘ comments to an archive document and prepare to post every other year forever. Have fun with that!

 

[Chrispy_]

Again too little too late for what? Is there some law somewhere that requires us all to buy this product? Or is there some law somewhere that says a company can’t release this product? This might not even be the last RDNA2 GPU release. It takes up to three years now before a company might stop releasing SKUs in a particular product series. Three years!! And companies will continue doing this. So copy and paste ‘too little too late‘ comments to an archive document and prepare to post every other year forever. Have fun with that!

To little and too late for the current market, let alone next month's market when it finally hits store shelves.

I would have thought that was so obvious it didn't need stating.

The implication is that the MSRP is too high and that the large performance and price gulf between the 6600XT and the 6700XT needed filling with a 6700 at least a year ago.

 

[Valantar]

To little and too late for the current market, let alone next month's market when it finally hits store shelves.

I would have thought that was so obvious it didn't need stating.

The implication is that the MSRP is too high and that the large performance and price gulf between the 6600XT and the 6700XT needed filling with a 6700 at least a year ago.

As I mentioned above, the lack of an RX prefix in the product name essentially guarantees that this is OEM-only. I would be very surprised to see this hit retail shelves.

 

[Chrispy_]

As I mentioned above, the lack of an RX prefix in the product name essentially guarantees that this is OEM-only. I would be very surprised to see this hit retail shelves.

But it has an MSRP that includes taxes.

OEMs don't care about the R or taxes. They deal in B2B and ex-VAT only.

 

[Valantar]

But it has an MSRP that includes taxes.

OEMs don't care about the R or taxes. They deal in B2B and ex-VAT only.

It has an MSRP according to a Cowcotland report that doesn't even manage to get the product name correct, calling it the "RX 6700". I would take that with a significant pinch of salt until we see more firm evidence, as AMD hasn't sold a non-RX GPU to consumers since Polaris, and has had non-RX OEM variants throughout that whole time span.

 

[Daven]

To little and too late for the current market, let alone next month's market when it finally hits store shelves.

I would have thought that was so obvious it didn't need stating.

The implication is that the MSRP is too high and that the large performance and price gulf between the 6600XT and the 6700XT needed filling with a 6700 at least a year ago.

If this is a real product with real availability, every single unit will be sold. I know it doesn’t fall in line with the PC enthusiast’s thinking but that’s the reality of today’s GPU market. Every single unit will be sold.

 

[eidairaman1]

Nope. As others have said, this is too little, too late.

Searching Ebay in Europe for sold listings you can very easily pick up one of hundreds of used RTX 2080 for about €350, which also have better DXR performance, support DLSS, DLAA, and have a vastly better hardware encoder. Sold listings is history too, RTX 20-series cards are depreciating fast and current listings ending next weekend may not even cost that much.

All of the millions of GPUs that were MIA from the enthusiast gaming market because of mining are now starting to appear on the used market so setting MSRPs at COVID-era levels is going to backfire fast. Possibly before this thing even hits the shelves.

But they aint new and are already expired on warranty, plus there are dishonest people on those sites.

 

[Chrispy_]

But they aint new and are already expired on warranty, plus there are dishonest people on those sites.

True, but I've been using eBay for 21 years and yet to be stung. Scammers, sure - but there are scammers all over the place, not just the used market. I've sold 26 GPUs and a NUC this week alone, all tested working, all from a 100% reputation seller (me), all with a 28-day refund policy. IME GPUs either die of infant mortality within the warranty period or they last for the best part of a decade until the fan siezes up or some magic smoke escapes from the VRMs. eBay is mostly people just upgrading and getting rid of their perfectly decent stuff. Compared to the Chinese flea-market of Amazon deceptively selling e-waste or scam GPUs, and I'll pick a quality item from a reputable brand with a few miles on the clock almost every time.

It has an MSRP according to a Cowcotland report that doesn't even manage to get the product name correct, calling it the "RX 6700". I would take that with a significant pinch of salt until we see more firm evidence, as AMD hasn't sold a non-RX GPU to consumers since Polaris, and has had non-RX OEM variants throughout that whole time span.

If you're correct then these will still end up being bought by consumers for an effective price. Even then, history tells us that OEM-only products will be available on the grey market pretty easily. Just look at how many Cezanne and Renoir OEM-only APUs were available via Amazon/Ebay at launch.

If this is a real product with real availability, every single unit will be sold. I know it doesn’t fall in line with the PC enthusiast’s thinking but that’s the reality of today’s GPU market. Every single unit will be sold.

We're at the point now where almost every GPU is back in stock, and some are sitting around unsold. I'm sure there's some regional variance, but the RX 6600 can be found nationwide here in the UK at a hefty discount. The top 3 e-tailers in the UK all have significant discounts of up to 25% on several models. That's not the behaviour of a card flying off the shelves at MSRP like it would have been six months ago.

 

[kapqa]

Already AMD has some fantastic offers in Europe (much better than Nvidia's if you don't value raytracing performance advantage/Tensor Cores A.I./DLSS additional option/Nvidia's s/w suite etc) and they are already way below SRP if you consider VAT & €/$ exchange rate, for example the below 2 options:

PowerColor RX 6700XT Fighter at 499€
XFX RX 6600 SWFT 210 at 315€

yeye, good luck buying from Indfactory if you are outside DE/GER

 

[ModEl4]

yeye, good luck buying from Indfactory if you are outside DE/GER

You're right, i see you're from Italy, i checked eprice (isn't one of your bigger etailers?) just to have an indication and the prices are way higher, but then again Italy despite being a large European market, sadly never developed into a distribution hub like Germany (or like Poland even) and the prices are not very competitive in general (this seems to be true for all the Mediterranean countries)
The Nvidia prices although highly inflated also seemed to have around -5% less inflation vs AMD's in eprice, plus Mindfactory is the premier AMD's partner in Europe having some excellent promotions, so the gap between eprice/Mindfactory is even higher in AMD's case.
Do you have a price comparison website like geizhals in Italy?

 

[kapqa]

not really, there is trovaprezzi, however, tend to prefer buying in the shop, but again, prices are what they are; also shops have higher prices for certain premium items, sadly>
and then, a lot of german sellers do also ship around here, which is great.
eprice is notoriously overpriced, but there are some smaller/bigger sites with good prices, so i think overall its ok.
EDIT: yes, Poland seems to have some great prices, but ultimately they tend to aggregate to "european" aka german ones, despite the Zloty if iam not mistaken.

 

[ModEl4]

not really, there is trovaprezzi, however, tend to prefer buying in the shop, but again, prices are what they are; also shops have higher prices for certain premium items, sadly>
and then, a lot of german sellers do also ship around here, which is great.
eprice is notoriously overpriced, but there are some smaller/bigger sites with good prices, so i think overall its ok.
EDIT: yes, Poland seems to have some great prices, but ultimately they tend to aggregate to "european" aka german ones, despite the Zloty if iam not mistaken.

I also wish we had Mindfactory like prices too (Una Faccia, Una Razza) some prices are insanely good they are selling 5700G for example for 167€ which is like $149.90 (or 139€ for the 5500 which is like $125), i wonder if something happening with the VAT...

 

[ModEl4]

well, i would not consider the prices "insanely" good, as most prices seem to suffer the EU-tariffs-duty, which i really dont understand for such items, plus VAT, and there you have (insanely high) EU-prices.
you probably meant the 5600G, i doubt you would find the 5700G for such prices "officially" ... but also here in Italy the 5600G was for under 200 even on Amazon.

Right, i meant 5600G, maybe insanely was a bit too much, but still good offers imo.

 

[boomheadshot8]

The card cost 400€ now, in france I think it's worth IT

 

[HD64G]

The card cost 400€ now, in france I think it's worth IT

Great price indeed!

 

[Mick77]

Necroing the thread to give an update on this card.

For most of europe it is currently the best price/performance GPU on the market, on overcklockers UK the powercolor version is only £299, cheaper than the 6600xt and 6650xt and performing better than both. There's a youtuber (ancient gameplays, go check him out) that reviews it, it's really good for the price.

Too little to late my ass, grab this card as it's great, I certainly have!

 

[boomheadshot8]

I just got a 3070 inno 3d x2 at 350€, bought 600€ in fev 2022 ; major problem is noise and heat, so i bought a waterblock ~130€ and I already have a 1080 gpu+block and cpu block

 

[Valantar]

I just got a 3070 inno 3d x2 at 350€, bought 600€ in fev 2022 ; major problem is noise and heat, so i bought a waterblock ~130€ and I already have a 1080 gpu+block and cpu block

... and how is this relevant to this thread?

Necroing the thread to give an update on this card.

For most of europe it is currently the best price/performance GPU on the market, on overcklockers UK the powercolor version is only £299, cheaper than the 6600xt and 6650xt and performing better than both. There's a youtuber (ancient gameplays, go check him out) that reviews it, it's really good for the price.

Too little to late my ass, grab this card as it's great, I certainly have!

The same sadly isn't true here in Norway - cheapest RX 6700 is 4800 NOK, about 400 NOK below the cheapest RX 6700 XT, and about 600 NOK above the RX 6600 XT.

On the other hand, I got a perfect condition used RX 6600 for 1900 NOK just recently. As long as you don't mind buying off miners, and make sure that the GPU is in good condition, the used market is great right now. Sure, there are next gen cards coming, but 60 and 70 tier cards likely won't be available for half a year yet.

 

[boomheadshot8]

just saying if you can find a 3070 for the same price as the 6700 you got more perf for the same price

 

[Valantar]

just saying if you can find a 3070 for the same price as the 6700 you got more perf for the same price

And you can find a used 6700 XT quite a bit cheaper than that again. If your argument is "used is cheaper than new" that's a relevant argument (if a bit obvious), but then please say that, don't bury it in all kinds of specifics not generally relevant as advice. You're also kind of torpedoing your own argument by saying "I got this cheap, but it overheated and now I've spent another lump of money on water cooling".

 

[Mick77]

just saying if you can find a 3070 for the same price as the 6700 you got more perf for the same price

The 3070 in the UK retails for £500+, not even close to the £299 of the 6700. Sure, the 3070 is 23% faster (https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6700.c3716) but the price hikeup for that 23% extra performance is insane (67% markup minimum, from 299 to 500+).

Maybe it's better in the used market or other countries, but totally not worth the 3070 even now in the UK when the 6700 is there.

But yeah if somehow you can find the 3070 cheap enough to oust the 6700 price/perfomance ratio, go for it, I just haven't found anything worthwhile.

... and how is this relevant to this thread?


The same sadly isn't true here in Norway - cheapest RX 6700 is 4800 NOK, about 400 NOK below the cheapest RX 6700 XT, and about 600 NOK above the RX 6600 XT.

On the other hand, I got a perfect condition used RX 6600 for 1900 NOK just recently. As long as you don't mind buying off miners, and make sure that the GPU is in good condition, the used market is great right now. Sure, there are next gen cards coming, but 60 and 70 tier cards likely won't be available for half a year yet.

Shame, it seems like norwegian retailers are much more clued up on this card's potential and know how to price it appropriately.

I just got a 3070 inno 3d x2 at 350€, bought 600€ in fev 2022 ; major problem is noise and heat, so i bought a waterblock ~130€ and I already have a 1080 gpu+block and cpu block

Totally not worth it, what's the point of £350 euros when it overheats and you had to dish out another £130? YIKES!

The 6700 has a power draw of TDP 175 W compared to 220 for the 3070 and a youtuber (ancient gameplays) has done some basic overclocking/undervolting to drop the TDP to around 130 which is insanely low for this type of card.

And you can find a used 6700 XT quite a bit cheaper than that again. If your argument is "used is cheaper than new" that's a relevant argument (if a bit obvious), but then please say that, don't bury it in all kinds of specifics not generally relevant as advice. You're also kind of torpedoing your own argument by saying "I got this cheap, but it overheated and now I've spent another lump of money on water cooling".

Indeed, you can find used 6700xt for £200 on ebay, blows out of the water any used 3070 deals out there. Not that I'd ever buy used, they are all greedy scammers and the whole bidding thing annoys me.

 

[Valantar]

I don't see a fundamental problem buying used - I've had some good experiences with it - but it definitely requires you to know what you're doing, and to be able to inspect, gauge and test the condition of the card upon arrival to ensure it doesn't have any issues. Without that, getting screwed over is exceptionally easy.

 

[Chrispy_]

On the other hand, I got a perfect condition used RX 6600 for 1900 NOK just recently. As long as you don't mind buying off miners, and make sure that the GPU is in good condition, the used market is great right now. Sure, there are next gen cards coming, but 60 and 70 tier cards likely won't be available for half a year yet.

I'm still waiting for the mining RX6600 cards to hit ebay UK. There are a few here and there but not the flood of cards that I was hoping for and the prices are barely £30 less than new, discounted models like the Powercolor Fighter. That's not enough of a discount to buy a used card without a warranty, IMO.

The RX6600 was supposed to be a great ETH mining card in terms of Mh/W and because it only ran at ~30MH you'd need more of them. I (clearly incorrectly) assumed that there would be an absolute boatload of ex-mining RX6600 cards dumped on the market last week.

 

[Valantar]

I'm still waiting for the mining RX6600 cards to hit ebay UK. There are a few here and there but not the flood of cards that I was hoping for and the prices are barely £30 less than new, discounted models like the Powercolor Fighter. That's not enough of a discount to buy a used card without a warranty, IMO.

The RX6600 was supposed to be a great ETH mining card in terms of Mh/W and because it only ran at ~30MH you'd need more of them. I (clearly incorrectly) assumed that there would be an absolute boatload of ex-mining RX6600 cards dumped on the market last week.

There were a few loads of those where I got mine from, so someone seems to have caught onto that calculation at least. IIRC the seller I got mine from had something like 30 of them (plus a boatload of other various GPUs), listed at well below MSRP. Maybe AMD supplies have been better in Norway than in the UK?