AMD Realizes That Bulldozer Has 800 Million LESS Transistors Than It Thought!

[DarkOCean]

This explains it somehow why it's so weak.

 

[laszlo]

"Papermaster" what have u done?

 

[HalfAHertz]

I think AMD suffers from a severe case of Communication Breakdown

Bulldozer is the best architecture in the world. Bulldozer is better then any other processor on the market.

Whatever you're smoking, I want some!

 

[pantherx12]

I'm sorry, thanks for the good advice. It's kinda hard not to say something sometimes... :shadedshu I'll try harder next time.



It's downright weird, isn't it? It's a bit like a car manufacturer not realising the capacity of the engine on a new model, only to correct the official spec later. It'll be funny if it really is 2bn transistors and they had to fuse off parts of the chip to bring it to market, perhaps due to a design issue, isn't it? That would imply extra performance is locked up in there...

To the best of my knowledge, a mistake like this has never been made before in the semiconductor industry.

Pester them for info !

 

[qubit]

Pester them for info !

Pester AMD about the transistor count?

 

[pantherx12]

Pester AMD about the transistor count?

Yup, find out why the mix up happened and such. : ]

 

[Steven B]

AMD dosn't sell processors on transistor counts, people don't buy it on that basis, either.

i do!

 

[qubit]

Yup, find out why the mix up happened and such. : ]

Hmmm, maybe.

i do!

You're so hardcore.

 

[Activeduke]

Maybe we will see an FX 8250 or 8170 with actually 2billion transistors in the future..?
Meh..

 

[Bundy]

I knew something didn't add up when I saw Zambezi's "2 billion" transistor count for the first time. Even 16 MB of total SRAM couldn't have pushed transistor counts up that much over Istanbul/Thuban's 900-odd million transistor count.

It seems, so did someone else...

http://www.planet3dnow.de/cgi-bin/newspub/viewnews.cgi?id=1321455683

in googlish:

Wednesday 16 November 2011
16:01 - Author: Dr @
AMD Bulldozer Schrumpfkur missed - a virtual

Who now expected, it would be a new revision of the miracle bulldozer in the wings who will be disappointed. For the launch of the first "Bulldozer" processor-based desktop AMD FX (codenamed "Zambezi") had AMD communicated to the press through a die size of 315 mm ² and a transistor count of around 2 billion. As The Register then in the context of the launch of the new Opteron 6200 ("Interlagos") and 4200 ("Valencia") is only 2.4 billion transistors for the "Interlagos" spoke, asked some users cope in our forum, such as this number to the previous statement fits. After all, this figure is 40% below the original value of about 4 billion




Therefore we have asked AMD, after which it has been confirmed that the statement of The Register is accurate. Because all processors of the first "Bulldozer" generation on the same "Orochi" The building is for all versions 315 mm ² die size and 1.2 billion transistors to estimate. Since the Opteron 6200 is constructed from an MCM (Multi Chip Module) from each of two dies, each processor must here per the duplicate values ​​are estimated. The virtual downsizing in the number of transistors is built so simply due to a communication error. As it happened, you could not tell us yet.




Source: AMD

So AMD only announced this after someone asked why the numbers didn't add up. Not very good AMD, it seems your PR people do not talk to the production or design people. How can we believe what you say in the future?

 

[ensabrenoir]

really?

So that's what the keystone cops are doing now.....building cpus.
Bulldozer...the delorean of the cpu world.

 

[trickson]

WOW the AMD fanboys must be prod of AMD right now . They just put out a CPU that can hardly compete with there current line . Now see I find that just too !!

What make this even more laughable is the fact that AMD did not even know how many transistors were on the CPU to start with . HEY AMD WAKE UP !!!

 

[v12dock]

WOW the AMD fanboys must be prod of AMD right now . They just put out a CPU that can hardly compete with there current line . Now see I find that just too !!

What make this even more laughable is the fact that AMD did not even know how many transistors were on the CPU to start with . HEY AMD WAKE UP !!!

And Intel fan boys must be laughing right now

The fanboyism makes me laugh

 

[semantics]

dat paper dragon

 

[Thefumigator]

And Intel fan boys must be laughing right now

The fanboyism makes me laugh

Maybe intel has the best desktop processors in the high end, but that's all.
In the mid and low end AMD is quite competitive. Even with bulldozer based servers AMD is quite competitive.

Also intel has nothing to compete against llano, and barely can compete against zacate
I'm not even mentioning discrete GPUs... and of course, PRICE

 

[trickson]

And Intel fan boys must be laughing right now

The fanboyism makes me laugh

You know it !

All this time all this speculation all this anticipation and what did you get ? That is what it would seem like NO ? .

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

imho both big chip makers have their flaws at the min what with intels and amds socket frenzy plus intels sata 6 bs and amd;s hyperboled then underwhelming BD but its all relative but deff unusual both cos have dropped the ball lately and as i assume some of you are thinking , its quite possible they got to b3 due to hacking bits out and hence lost some of its performance after all bits get left out all the time by all chip cos in almost all scenarios they just dont normally fudge their specs like this

 

[Mussels]

Maybe intel has the best desktop processors in the high end, but that's all.
In the mid and low end AMD is quite competitive. Even with bulldozer based servers AMD is quite competitive.

Also intel has nothing to compete against llano, and barely can compete against zacate
I'm not even mentioning discrete GPUs... and of course, PRICE

in the low to mid range, AMD whups intel to pieces. its only high end that intel have the advantage.

 

[Poisonsnak]

Come on guys, AMD has always known how many transistors are in the chip, it's just another mistake by their useless marketing team.

 

[ensabrenoir]

boy just being boys

Come on guys, AMD has always known how many transistors are in the chip, it's just another mistake by their useless marketing team.

Yeah we know. Just like we know Amd apus are actually good and they're good at the low power low end stuff but man just like sports fans we like to rib the other team

 

[bostonbuddy]

I wonder if AMD will give Intel a GG or rage quite.

 

[Edgarstrong]

WOW the AMD fanboys must be prod of AMD right now . They just put out a CPU that can hardly compete with there current line . Now see I find that just too !!

What make this even more laughable is the fact that AMD did not even know how many transistors were on the CPU to start with . HEY AMD WAKE UP !!!

It's "their" and not "there", for god's sake...

 

[pantherx12]

It's "their" and not "there", for god's sake...

Why do you for gods sake?

It's a fairly common mix up when writing on the fly as often people "think" the words out loud rather than think through each letter that they are typing.

Or the user could be dyslexic and easily muddle up similar sounding words even though they understand the individual meanings of each.


Shouldn't be so quick to judge : ]

 

[Edgarstrong]

Why do you for gods sake?

It's a fairly common mix up when writing on the fly as often people "think" the words out loud rather than think through each letter that they are typing.

Or the user could be dyslexic and easily muddle up similar sounding words even though they understand the individual meanings of each.


Shouldn't be so quick to judge : ]

I didn't have any intention to offend anyone, and if I did - I apologize. It's just that it makes me sad seeing so many people today genuinely not knowing the difference between those two. And to make it worse, I don't remember when it was the last time I saw that mistake being made by a non mother tongue. Of course when it is just a mistype, that's another case.

Anyhow, this is not the best place to discuss this, so I shouldn't have started.

 

[de.das.dude]

they took er tranzistrs!