What do you mean? Says Desktop APU coming Q1 2018.
They also said the same when they dropped Stoney Ridge for the lowest end APUs. But I'm just typing from one so that's irrelevant now...
What do you mean? Says Desktop APU coming Q1 2018.
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
They're being vague enough with Vega that you may get a mid range card with /2560 shaders , id say they're waiting on a few balls still in the air their (ddr6) , but regardless given the crypto gpu craze they are not going to be too worried about selling enough GPUs ,for them it's got to be the right balance of output v demand in gpu asic production, because they can't afford to be holding inventory whereas I think others play it a bit different.So not even a re-vamp of Polaris or "more-or less" a re-version with some Vega tweaks and then on the 12nm process? Which to me is nothing more than 14nm with a little re-spin? Then there's the whole GloFo has only so much capacity (tools, machines a clean areas) to produce whatever fab, so even if they hold to Polaris/Vega 14nm for 2018 they still appear to be "well off the mark" that Tahiti/Hawaii was delivered. They've got to find a way to prop-up mainstream and Vega or it's going to be another tough year for the graphics side.
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | ASRock X670E Taichi |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 Chromax |
Memory | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 4090 Trio |
Storage | Too much |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB3 27" 240 Hz |
Case | Thermaltake Core X9 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping DX5, DCA Aeon II |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Titanium 850w |
Mouse | G305 |
Keyboard | Wooting HE60 |
VR HMD | Valve Index |
Software | Win 10 |
If you consider trailing the top end by 35-40% performance is 'doing just fine', I'm not sure what to tell you. These ain't CPUs where the competitor decides to relax for a decade because its design is superior; Nvidia has already shown that and the latest release (GV100) sits lonely at the top, with a price tag of 3K and nothing exists that can even remotely touch its complexity/die size/processing power.
Shrinking Vega won't close that gap at all, its quite worrying.
System Name | Night Rider | Mini LAN PC | Workhorse |
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Processor | AMD R7 5800X3D | Ryzen 1600X | i7 970 |
Motherboard | MSi AM4 Pro Carbon | GA- | Gigabyte EX58-UD5 |
Cooling | Noctua U9S Twin Fan| Stock Cooler, Copper Core)| Big shairkan B |
Memory | 2x8GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws 3600MHz| 2x8GB Corsair 3000 | 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair |
Video Card(s) | MSI AMD 6750XT | 6500XT | MSI RX 580 8GB |
Storage | 1TB WD Black NVME / 250GB SSD /2TB WD Black | 500GB SSD WD, 2x1TB, 1x750 | WD 500 SSD/Seagate 320 |
Display(s) | LG 27" 1440P| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" | 22" DELL/19"DELL |
Case | LIAN LI PC-18 | Mini ATX Case (custom) | Atrix C4 9001 |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard | Onbaord | Onboard |
Power Supply | Silverstone 850 | Silverstone Mini 450W | Corsair CX-750 |
Mouse | Coolermaster Pro | Rapoo V900 | Gigabyte 6850X |
Keyboard | MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 | Creative Fatal1ty eluminx | Some POS Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64 | Windows 10 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home |
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Steelseries Aerox 5 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
Benchmark Scores | Over 9000 |
I don't think branging about how much Nvidia is bum fucking you for cash is a good strategy.
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
I think you and others should then relent on your opinion since Amd are not a football team nor Nvidia, they are not really after some mythical top card trophy, they are trying to ship units and are doing so successfully day in day out regardless of who some think hold the Title.Do you really consider me or this forum that influential in the business, that this is 'strategy'? I'm just calling things as I see them... It would be great if AMD did a better job, however for the past two years not a single release has shown that they are capable of it. Its all too little, too late.
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Steelseries Aerox 5 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
Benchmark Scores | Over 9000 |
I think you and others should then relent on your opinion since Amd are not a football team nor Nvidia, they are not really after some mythical top card trophy, they are trying to ship units and are doing so successfully day in day out regardless of who some think hold the Title.
So where do you think trailing the top 3k card by 30-40% puts Amd, because they're still selling gpus fast enough no one can apparently buy one easily for the budget price they seem to expect.
System Name | Bo-minator (my name is bo) |
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Processor | AMD 3900X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | G-SkiLL 2x8GB RAM 3600Mhz (CL16-16-16-16-36) |
Video Card(s) | ASUS STRIX 1080Ti OC |
Storage | Samsung EVO 850 1TB |
Display(s) | ACER XB271HU + DELL 2717D |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | ASUS Xonar Essence STX |
Power Supply | Antec HCP 1000W |
Mouse | G403 |
Keyboard | CM STORM Quick Fire Rapid |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit Pro |
Benchmark Scores | XX |
Find me a single Vega 56 for MSRP and we'll talk. I can literally go almost anywhere and buy a 1070 right now. I can't just go buy a Vega 56 because they're literally nowhere to be found and the ones you do find have an insanely inflated price.
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Steelseries Aerox 5 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
Benchmark Scores | Over 9000 |
That should tell you that there is higher demand for the vega 56 relative to its production quantities. Its like saying: I can litteraly go buy a VW up RIGHT now, but the a Bugatti Veyron i cant get right now! Performance is i relevant in this case. Arguebly a 1070 is easier to come by and the price of a vega 56 is too high due to demand. But at its original price (seen in denmark for 1-2 months) the card holds its ground compared to the 1070. But we all know that there a thing called miners that what to trap all the vega 56 card in a big pile and have them burn for fictive ore!
System Name | Bo-minator (my name is bo) |
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Processor | AMD 3900X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | G-SkiLL 2x8GB RAM 3600Mhz (CL16-16-16-16-36) |
Video Card(s) | ASUS STRIX 1080Ti OC |
Storage | Samsung EVO 850 1TB |
Display(s) | ACER XB271HU + DELL 2717D |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | ASUS Xonar Essence STX |
Power Supply | Antec HCP 1000W |
Mouse | G403 |
Keyboard | CM STORM Quick Fire Rapid |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit Pro |
Benchmark Scores | XX |
Vega with HBM as a miner card? Hardly the most effective choice
The reason you can't find Vega in stock is because the stock never arrives. Don't fool yourself
System Name | Apollo |
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Processor | Intel Core i9 9880H |
Motherboard | Some proprietary Apple thing. |
Memory | 64GB DDR4-2667 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon Pro 5600M, 8GB HBM2 |
Storage | 1TB Apple NVMe, 4TB External |
Display(s) | Laptop @ 3072x1920 + 2x LG 5k Ultrafine TB3 displays |
Case | MacBook Pro (16", 2019) |
Audio Device(s) | AirPods Pro, Sennheiser HD 380s w/ FIIO Alpen 2, or Logitech 2.1 Speakers |
Power Supply | 96w Power Adapter |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 3 |
Keyboard | Logitech G915, GL Clicky |
Software | MacOS 12.1 |
For people reselling it. You literally can't find it anywhere.the price of a vega 56 is too high due to demand.
The difference in cost is a whole lot more than it is for GPUs. It's more accurate to say, you could buy a VW right now, but you can also buy a Subaru, or a BMW, or a Ford, or a (enter name here.) As for Bugatti, if you're even considering it, you'd be the kind of person to be complaining that you had to get a Lambo, Mazarati, or Porsche instead.I can litteraly go buy a VW up RIGHT now, but the a Bugatti Veyron i cant get right now!
...or is it because demand is normal but, yields are crap?price of a vega 56 is too high due to demand.
Miners are going to grab whatever they can at this point. They're not just sitting around hoping that Vega 56 will come around. In the meantime, I've been seeing GPUs popping up in 6-packs with the sole intent to mine. That alone should tell you that Miners aren't the reason because miners want the best bang for your buck when it comes to compute and they also want to own multiple of them to mine more at once. All in all Vega's failure wasn't because of miners, it was because there are literally none of them. A die shrink of Hawaii probably would have costed less and netted more money for AMD which is what's insane and the only reason they probably didn't do it is so it wouldn't cut into Vega sales.But we all know that there a thing called miners that what to trap all the vega 56 card in a big pile and have them burn for fictive ore!
If you consider trailing the top end by 35-40% performance is 'doing just fine', I'm not sure what to tell you. These ain't CPUs where the competitor decides to relax for a decade because its design is superior; Nvidia has already shown that and the latest release (GV100) sits lonely at the top, with a price tag of 3K and nothing exists that can even remotely touch its complexity/die size/processing power.
Shrinking Vega won't close that gap at all, its quite worrying.
System Name | PCGOD |
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Processor | AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz |
Motherboard | Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios |
Cooling | Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED |
Memory | 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X |
Storage | Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB |
Display(s) | NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter) |
Case | AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR |
Power Supply | Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3) |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XTD |
Keyboard | Roccat Ryos MK Pro |
Software | Windows 7 Pro 64 |
Why wait for AMD? Buy the big Volta. It seems to be awesome.
System Name | Primary|Secondary|Poweredge r410|Dell XPS|SteamDeck |
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Processor | i7 11700k|i7 9700k|2 x E5620 |i5 5500U|Zen 2 4c/8t |
Memory | 32GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|32GB ECC DDR3|8GB DDR4|16GB LPDDR5 |
Video Card(s) | RX 7800xt|RX 6700xt |On-Board|On-Board|8 RDNA 2 CUs |
Storage | 2TB m.2|512GB SSD+1TB SSD|2x256GBSSD 2x2TBGB|256GB sata|512GB nvme |
Display(s) | 50" 4k TV | Dell 27" |22" |3.3"|7" |
VR HMD | Samsung Odyssey+ | Oculus Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro|Windows 10 Pro|Windows 10 Home| Server 2012 r2|Windows 10 Pro |
Wow, they are banking on 7nm to save GCN. First they banked on HBM1 which failed, then HBM2 which failed even more miserably, now they bank on heavily contested fab capacity on the smallest node.
Let's just hope their CPU keeps going as it does, because they'll need it. Desperately.