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AMD Reveals CPU, Graphics 2018-2020 Roadmap at CES

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Officials are saying 10% performance bump at best case scenario. Meh just wait for Zen 2 and Icelake.-
 
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So not even a re-vamp of Polaris or "more-or less" a re-version with some Vega tweaks and then on the 12nm process? Which to me is nothing more than 14nm with a little re-spin? Then there's the whole GloFo has only so much capacity (tools, machines a clean areas) to produce whatever fab, so even if they hold to Polaris/Vega 14nm for 2018 they still appear to be "well off the mark" that Tahiti/Hawaii was delivered. They've got to find a way to prop-up mainstream and Vega or it's going to be another tough year for the graphics side.
 
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So not even a re-vamp of Polaris or "more-or less" a re-version with some Vega tweaks and then on the 12nm process? Which to me is nothing more than 14nm with a little re-spin? Then there's the whole GloFo has only so much capacity (tools, machines a clean areas) to produce whatever fab, so even if they hold to Polaris/Vega 14nm for 2018 they still appear to be "well off the mark" that Tahiti/Hawaii was delivered. They've got to find a way to prop-up mainstream and Vega or it's going to be another tough year for the graphics side.
They're being vague enough with Vega that you may get a mid range card with /2560 shaders , id say they're waiting on a few balls still in the air their (ddr6) , but regardless given the crypto gpu craze they are not going to be too worried about selling enough GPUs ,for them it's got to be the right balance of output v demand in gpu asic production, because they can't afford to be holding inventory whereas I think others play it a bit different.
All pretty much as i expected or knew tbh bar no Vega on 12(14++?)nm+ which is a surprise to me, but to me indicates they are using up their wafers elsewhere ,ie the Ryzen lines output is getting upped(no wafer's spare for GPU) devs.


Did anyone else note more than one intel/amd gpu Combo chip mentioned, Kaby G with Gh gpu for their Vr Nuc but a higher spec H gpu part got listed but no info other then a placeholder , can't remember where i saw that little list ,probs wccf.

Anyway I am sure AMD will be making a few more variants of Vega available, Vega for laptops is unlikely to be the Vega 64 after all so they still have mobile descrete Vega , small Form factor Vega and mid to bottom range Vega to release imho and they definitely have designs that could fit these applications.
 
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If you consider trailing the top end by 35-40% performance is 'doing just fine', I'm not sure what to tell you. These ain't CPUs where the competitor decides to relax for a decade because its design is superior; Nvidia has already shown that and the latest release (GV100) sits lonely at the top, with a price tag of 3K and nothing exists that can even remotely touch its complexity/die size/processing power.

Shrinking Vega won't close that gap at all, its quite worrying.

I don't think branging about how much Nvidia is bum fucking you for cash is a good strategy.
 
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I don't think branging about how much Nvidia is bum fucking you for cash is a good strategy.

Do you really consider me or this forum that influential in the business, that this is 'strategy'? I'm just calling things as I see them... It would be great if AMD did a better job, however for the past two years not a single release has shown that they are capable of it. Its all too little, too late.
 
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Do you really consider me or this forum that influential in the business, that this is 'strategy'? I'm just calling things as I see them... It would be great if AMD did a better job, however for the past two years not a single release has shown that they are capable of it. Its all too little, too late.
I think you and others should then relent on your opinion since Amd are not a football team nor Nvidia, they are not really after some mythical top card trophy, they are trying to ship units and are doing so successfully day in day out regardless of who some think hold the Title.
So where do you think trailing the top 3k card by 30-40% puts Amd, because they're still selling gpus fast enough no one can apparently buy one easily for the budget price they seem to expect.
 
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I think you and others should then relent on your opinion since Amd are not a football team nor Nvidia, they are not really after some mythical top card trophy, they are trying to ship units and are doing so successfully day in day out regardless of who some think hold the Title.
So where do you think trailing the top 3k card by 30-40% puts Amd, because they're still selling gpus fast enough no one can apparently buy one easily for the budget price they seem to expect.

So far the market share says otherwise. Moving units has never been AMDs problem, making profit has.
 

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Find me a single Vega 56 for MSRP and we'll talk. I can literally go almost anywhere and buy a 1070 right now. I can't just go buy a Vega 56 because they're literally nowhere to be found and the ones you do find have an insanely inflated price.

That should tell you that there is higher demand for the vega 56 relative to its production quantities. Its like saying: I can litteraly go buy a VW up RIGHT now, but the a Bugatti Veyron i cant get right now! Performance is i relevant in this case. Arguebly a 1070 is easier to come by and the price of a vega 56 is too high due to demand. But at its original price (seen in denmark for 1-2 months) the card holds its ground compared to the 1070. But we all know that there a thing called miners that what to trap all the vega 56 card in a big pile and have them burn for fictive ore!
 
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That should tell you that there is higher demand for the vega 56 relative to its production quantities. Its like saying: I can litteraly go buy a VW up RIGHT now, but the a Bugatti Veyron i cant get right now! Performance is i relevant in this case. Arguebly a 1070 is easier to come by and the price of a vega 56 is too high due to demand. But at its original price (seen in denmark for 1-2 months) the card holds its ground compared to the 1070. But we all know that there a thing called miners that what to trap all the vega 56 card in a big pile and have them burn for fictive ore!

Vega with HBM as a miner card? Hardly the most effective choice

The reason you can't find Vega in stock is because the stock never arrives. Don't fool yourself :)
 

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Vega with HBM as a miner card? Hardly the most effective choice

The reason you can't find Vega in stock is because the stock never arrives. Don't fool yourself :)

Well they did in Denmark. But the point is that the demand for vega 56 is there: otherwise the price would not rise.
 
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Do we think that there's some amount of AMD Vega 64 production still being channeled by AMD (only) to fulfill HPC, Professional contracts? While basically Vega 56 (geldings) are going to AIB's.

Then I don't understand why folks think HBM2 is a reason miners won't go for Vega? Sure they don't see any boon for such a memory being use on the card, but it's all about the hash, to power (at least those paying for their power) and how soon they see a pay-off (ROI). Those working no power cost (college students in a dorm) just want to make the hash-fast and hope not to get caught. Heck these guy are mobile and move from dorm to dorm paying friends for the inconvenience of the noise and heat. Colleges are now walking the halls with FLIR cameras checking. As long they can make money/sense they'll want them. I talked with a guy the other day who is contacting Mom & Pop stores looking for any AMD cards they come across that just Artifact, and getting them for mining. Heck an old 280X even if Artifacting during gaming, still might have value as a "shovel"... Cool!
 
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If only AMD could have done a die shrink of the 390x...
the price of a vega 56 is too high due to demand.
For people reselling it. You literally can't find it anywhere.
I can litteraly go buy a VW up RIGHT now, but the a Bugatti Veyron i cant get right now!
The difference in cost is a whole lot more than it is for GPUs. It's more accurate to say, you could buy a VW right now, but you can also buy a Subaru, or a BMW, or a Ford, or a (enter name here.) As for Bugatti, if you're even considering it, you'd be the kind of person to be complaining that you had to get a Lambo, Mazarati, or Porsche instead.
price of a vega 56 is too high due to demand.
...or is it because demand is normal but, yields are crap?
But we all know that there a thing called miners that what to trap all the vega 56 card in a big pile and have them burn for fictive ore!
Miners are going to grab whatever they can at this point. They're not just sitting around hoping that Vega 56 will come around. In the meantime, I've been seeing GPUs popping up in 6-packs with the sole intent to mine. That alone should tell you that Miners aren't the reason because miners want the best bang for your buck when it comes to compute and they also want to own multiple of them to mine more at once. All in all Vega's failure wasn't because of miners, it was because there are literally none of them. A die shrink of Hawaii probably would have costed less and netted more money for AMD which is what's insane and the only reason they probably didn't do it is so it wouldn't cut into Vega sales.

If there was a 590X, I bet it would sell like hot cakes.
 
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If you consider trailing the top end by 35-40% performance is 'doing just fine', I'm not sure what to tell you. These ain't CPUs where the competitor decides to relax for a decade because its design is superior; Nvidia has already shown that and the latest release (GV100) sits lonely at the top, with a price tag of 3K and nothing exists that can even remotely touch its complexity/die size/processing power.

Shrinking Vega won't close that gap at all, its quite worrying.

Why wait for AMD? Buy the big Volta. It seems to be awesome. :D
 

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Wow, they are banking on 7nm to save GCN. First they banked on HBM1 which failed, then HBM2 which failed even more miserably, now they bank on heavily contested fab capacity on the smallest node.

o_Oo_Oo_O

Let's just hope their CPU keeps going as it does, because they'll need it. Desperately.

ATi always gambled with new process nodes ahead on Nvidia. They banked more times than they haven't in the past. Just bad luck in the roll of the dice.
 
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