AMD Reveals Ryzen 7 Family, Pricing, and Radeon Vega Logo

[the54thvoid]

Holy Asus.

The ROG Hero AM4 board is backwards compatible with older AM3+ coolers. Le Grand Macho and a 1800X, here we come...... Once reviews are in - I never buy without hardware reviews on hand.

 

[mouacyk]

Ok AMD time to do a commercial... I'd get Neil Degrasse Tyson and have him walking intently ponder looking in to the cosmos. Where he bumps into (that we only see the backside) of Sheldon Cooper (Jim Parsons) lookalike. The Seldon character just is standing almost bewildered looking out the other way almost lost.

Neil says, "next time probably best to choose the processor that has the performance to calculate a real physicists' dreams or astrophysicists' reality faster, all while a green footprint here on earth. Real science to those who know... choose Ryzen from AMD"

Cool idea, really. However, AMD can afford neither Neil nor the Sheldon imposter -- not at these pricing scales.

 

[Aenra]

- I still haven't heard if we'll be having a Bulldozer Déjà vu, in as far as lane speeds may be concerned. Now maybe you guys know, but personally, until i do, i wouldn't consider a switch. Not without getting the whole picture i mean.
- I'm still not sure why everyone neglects to mention the dual channel RAM only specification. Not saying it's the end of the world by any means, but i am saying that when you pay, you pay. So it's something to consider, paying for a rig that can only have dual channel RAM. Yes, the bandwidth difference is minimal in terms of benefit; for now. Most of us don't switch rigs every year or two. So this too i would consider some.
- Unlike i assume a lot of people here, i don't do benchmarks. I don't count transistors, i don't run heavy editing software. The 0.00056452x253855/2635% difference is.. nothing to me. Know what is? Who, when and how often will make the leap to optimize their software for Ryzens. That's what. Because the big bad boy pays more and we know what that relates to (we see it in the GPUs as well). Ethics are good and well, but this particular consumer won't willingly opt to switch to the underhanded part of the equation.

Until i see/know all the above, i cannot share your enthusiasm or your skepticism. Can just wish them the very best, as we do need some competition again, badly. If they actually bring us back to the Athlon days, even better. Again, competition.

 

[dirtyvu]

Can just wish them the very best, as we do need some competition again, badly. If they actually bring us back to the Athlon days, even better. Again, competition.

Jim Keller, the architect behind AMD's last monster, the Athlon 64 and the author of the X86-X64 spec, came back to AMD in 2012, just in time for startup of the Zen architecture... We're in for good times ahead. I needed to build a new 4K video editing rig and Ryzen looks amazing for the price performance ratio. A few percent greater in IPC for twice the price when talking Intel? No, thanks. Ryzen is looking spectacular at multi-threaded workloads and looking extremely competitive in single-threaded situations so at the price points, it's looking phenomenal.

 

[20mmrain]

I still wonder if a 40% increase is to little to late.

• Yes, AMD has made some amazing increases on Ryzen! But they are also releasing it against Intel's 8 month old Broadwell-E lineup. It won't be too long before Intel releases Skylake-e and AMD will start to fall behind again. (Even if Skylake-E's performance increases aren't that big!)
  • AMD also doesn't refresh their CPU's that often. Which means that unless they get on an aggressive schedule with Ryzen, Intel's lead could get ahead of Ryzen really fast.
• AMD's only small chance for the moment is that Intel is having process issues with 10nm and 7nm. These issues could stop Intel from running off with the lead, while AMD plays catch up.

But I would like to see AMD's Ryzen refresh schedule before I go out and chance my motherboard and CPU to AMD parts. I don't want to stay on the 1800X for the next 4 years.

 

[Imsochobo]

- I still haven't heard if we'll be having a Bulldozer Déjà vu, in as far as lane speeds may be concerned. Now maybe you guys know, but personally, until i do, i wouldn't consider a switch. Not without getting the whole picture i mean.
- I'm still not sure why everyone neglects to mention the dual channel RAM only specification. Not saying it's the end of the world by any means, but i am saying that when you pay, you pay. So it's something to consider, paying for a rig that can only have dual channel RAM. Yes, the bandwidth difference is minimal in terms of benefit; for now. Most of us don't switch rigs every year or two. So this too i would consider some.
- Unlike i assume a lot of people here, i don't do benchmarks. I don't count transistors, i don't run heavy editing software. The 0.00056452x253855/2635% difference is.. nothing to me. Know what is? Who, when and how often will make the leap to optimize their software for Ryzens. That's what. Because the big bad boy pays more and we know what that relates to (we see it in the GPUs as well). Ethics are good and well, but this particular consumer won't willingly opt to switch to the underhanded part of the equation.

Until i see/know all the above, i cannot share your enthusiasm or your skepticism. Can just wish them the very best, as we do need some competition again, badly. If they actually bring us back to the Athlon days, even better. Again, competition.

I've had quad channel memory a long time ago, It didn't matter then, it doesn't now.
it got surpassed by new dual channel stuff, again, and again and it always happens!

If you run a VM host with 16 hosts running high load servers, yes it will matter, will you?
NO!

When does software optimize for cpu's ? almost never, Hyperthreading is already taken care of and what else does ryzen have that doesn't already exist ? nothing.
cpu's are designed for software and use, not the other way around!

 

[Xzibit]

Surely.

C'mon.

It has to be true.

But I would like to see AMD's Ryzen refresh schedule before I go out and chance my motherboard and CPU to AMD parts. I don't want to stay on the 1800X for the next 4 years.

Not hard dates but she did hint at the refreshes

And we have a multigenerational roadmap that we are working on, including the Zen 2 and the Zen 3 follow-on.

We are actually in the process of developing now in 7-nanometer

Worst case scenario Zen 2 2019

 

[the54thvoid]

I still wonder if a 40% increase is to little to late.

• Yes, AMD has made some amazing increases on Ryzen! But they are also releasing it against Intel's 8 month old Broadwell-E lineup. It won't be too long before Intel releases Skylake-e and AMD will start to fall behind again. (Even if Skylake-E's performance increases aren't that big!)
  • AMD also doesn't refresh their CPU's that often. Which means that unless they get on an aggressive schedule with Ryzen, Intel's lead could get ahead of Ryzen really fast.
• AMD's only small chance for the moment is that Intel is having process issues with 10nm and 7nm. These issues could stop Intel from running off with the lead, while AMD plays catch up.

But I would like to see AMD's Ryzen refresh schedule before I go out and chance my motherboard and CPU to AMD parts. I don't want to stay on the 1800X for the next 4 years.

I'm still on Sandy-E because it was good enough to last. Ryzen simply has to be up to speed with today's CPU'S from Intel and those people will keep them.
I haven't bought Intel (upgraded) since 2011 because the huge cost on CPU and platform are still utterly unjustified. But at under £500, I can get an 8 core Broadwell-E equivalent...
I'm a top end (or close to it) components buyer and Ryzen looks like a phenomenal deal to me.

But I may also buy a 1080ti too because May is too far away.

 

[Casecutter]

Cool idea, really. However, AMD can afford neither Neil nor the Sheldon imposter -- not at these pricing scales.

And while probably the truth, they need to pounce to really gain "mind-share" at this point... I'd say a commercial like that would go a long way!

I found it interesting that for what seem like only the last 4-6 mo's Intel started to ramp-up their use of commercials, to solidify their dominance. While the timing was off by a month, could you have imagine that as a Super bowl commercial, don't ever say never two great comebacks. It would've been as iconic as Apple Macintosh "1984" ad.

 

[Aenra]

When does software optimize for cpu's?

Is this a rhetorical question or are you for real?
Dude, your wishes are your wishes and as such, respected. But.. you know..

Could name you program after program (not just games) that run badly on AMD CPUs because the devs had only optimized..designed..(?) them for Intels; by their own admission. Said same software that when eventually they optimized for AMDs too, people like me could run it without all the hiccups that the Intel owners never even got to get acquainted with.
Now i may have used the wrong term here, not an expert. But the gist is a fact. And while you can spin it as you like, again, wrong as it may be, i'm a consumer; not an evangelist.

 

[Prima.Vera]

AMD doesn't have to beat Intel. All they have to do is be competitive. Intel has done most of the work of being beat.

Intel isn't going to halve the prices of their processors overnight. That would be a publicity nightmare. And they can't push out a competitive processor at that price overnight either.

The hard truth is Intel didn't see this coming and they have been caught with their pants down. Which is a good thing. It's good to be humbled from time to time.

Let the CPU wars begin again!

Relax , there are no 3rd party benches yet. If AMD beats the Intel's 8 Cores in Games and Multimedia, then we will talk!

 

[springs113]

A little off topic here, but judging by what Lisa Su said about the demo of Ryzen that we saw before(New Horizon, CES), all along we thought it was the flagship (1800x) version...according to the press release, she stated it was in fact the 1700x. I will assume that AMD is being coy with Vega in the same manner. AMD is being very coy, cocky and confident with what they are doing, I wouldn't doubt that the Vega we see is not the full fledged chip and according to Paul(youtuber) that Vega AMD showed was little Vega. He stated it multiple times and on at least 2 different occasions.

I cant wait for my next build, my 5930k system will finally see some competition.

 

[Dethroy]

I believe the 100 MHz boost from XFR (the specs show 1800X = 3.6 GHz stock, 4.0 GHz boost, 4.1 GHz XFR) is while using the provided AMD stock cooler so it was low and conservative. I believe better cooling as they promised will yield a better XFR auto OC.

The 1800X won't ship with a cooler...

The Ryzen 7-1700 has a TDP of just 65W [...] and will include an AMD Wraith Max cooling solution, while the 1700X and 1800X have TDP rated at 95W, and will come without coolers.

This is why I am waiting for benchmarks like everyone else. If XFR boosts well under a beefy air cooler or AIO, then I might go with the 1700X. But if it doesn't help and manual OC is the way to go, then I will get the 1700 and do it myself.

The 1700X would need to clock at least to 4.49GHz (+700MHz) in order to reach perf/$ parity with the 1700. I'm pretty certain XFR won't make that much of a difference. But I'm also not opposed to reviews proving said assumption wrong.

 

[TheGuruStud]

But I may also buy a 1080ti too because May is too far away.

End of March isn't far off from May (and I would never trust nvidia availability lol).

 

[WailingDoom]

 

[Imsochobo]

Is this a rhetorical question or are you for real?
Dude, your wishes are your wishes and as such, respected. But.. you know..

Could name you program after program (not just games) that run badly on AMD CPUs because the devs had only optimized..designed..(?) them for Intels; by their own admission. Said same software that when eventually they optimized for AMDs too, people like me could run it without all the hiccups that the Intel owners never even got to get acquainted with.
Now i may have used the wrong term here, not an expert. But the gist is a fact. And while you can spin it as you like, again, wrong as it may be, i'm a consumer; not an evangelist.

If we exclude OS as software (end user) Yes, it very rarely happens unless benchmark app and some money from intel or amd is involved.

If you believe non benchmark apps gets updates for cpu's I think you're mistaken cause the cost is too high and to make the code in itself more efficient for all cpu's is not a topic for devs as we throw overpowered pc's at mundane tasks and optimizing cuts their profit margin, world isn't that "kind" unfortunately.

I've had intel and AMD for 20 odd years now, never ever have I experienced anything else than Android studio not working in windows for an amd cpu.
Only difference.
Current systems are AMD 1055T and Intel Xeon 2680 10 core.

 

[yoyo2004]

Way too many partypoopers in here!

 

[ViperXTR]

I just realized that the model numbers are similar to the old Athlon XP series

 

[kruk]

Ryzen master, a OC tool for CPUs similar to Wattman. It looks superb, I hope it's not fake.

Source: Reddit

 

[Ebo]

When I saw the presentation of Ryzen on the web last night, I went into the livingroom telling my wife about this new tech.
She got me down to earth right away, she told me that I could Ryzen from my chair, and Ryzen into the gardenshed, if I just as much as thourght about buying of those systems. Her reasoning was simple, that we allready have 6 computeres in the house, and I have a I7-5820K/X99 system, and were only us two "old" ones living in our house. 4 computers are only for the grandkids to play with when they visit.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

The 1800X won't ship with a cooler...

Huh? I think there is a chip only option, but you think it will ship with no cooler at all on release. Why?

 

[Dethroy]

Huh? I think there is a chip only option, but you think it will ship with no cooler at all on release. Why?

That's at least what btarunr's article states:

The Ryzen 7-1700 has a TDP of just 65W [...] and will include an AMD Wraith Max cooling solution, while the 1700X and 1800X have TDP rated at 95W, and will come without coolers.

 

[medi01]

Isn't it weird, that "leaked" 4/6 core versions of Ryzen have LOWER frequency than 8 cores?

that's why you need a link

Because Cinebench benchmark results is such a big secret.
Did those charts somehow hurt you?

I still wonder if a 40% increase is to little to late.

It is 52% or even 64%,, depending which buldozer you take.

 

[londiste]

i think amd would benefit greatly from less hype-y communication.
ipc improvement 40-64% is awesome but is bulldozer/excavator/piledriver the comparison we need?

cinebench results from amd-s own slides are interesting in the way that they show single thread result for 1800x being equal to 6900k.
6900k is broadwell running at 3.2/3.7ghz, as opposed to 1800x ryzen at 3.5/4.0+xfr.
4.0 ryzen = 3.7ghz broadwell (xfr being an additional variable here). same result for (at least) 8% clock difference.

edit:
in another thread, someone pointed out i was wrong.
6900k does have 4.0ghz max clock.

Isn't it weird, that "leaked" 4/6 core versions of Ryzen have LOWER frequency than 8 cores?

the ipc comparison from single-core cinebench is what sounds concerning when looking at the lower clocks on the 6/4 core ryzens. these will not go against broadwell but against skylake/kabylake that have a small but measurable ipc boost over broadwell in addition to higher clocks.

 

[heflys20]

i think amd would benefit greatly from less hype-y communication.

Well, tbh, these are first really competitive (IMHO) processors they've put out in years. At least things are pointing at that.

ipc improvement 40-64% is awesome but is bulldozer/excavator/piledriver the comparison we need?

That's a pretty significant improvement from excavator, I'd wager. They need to go by their previous architecture.

8% clock difference.

With nearly a 55-60% price difference.