AMD Ryzen 3900X & 3700X Tested on X470

[EarthDog]

Is "so we maxed out our Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) headroom " installing a 240 mm AIO?

Do most users run a custom 3x120mm+ loop or do most run air and 2x120 aios? Cant please em all... but maybe a 3x120mm, lol.

 

[mstenholm]

Do most users run a custom 3x120mm+ loop or do most run air and aios? Cant please em all... but maybe a 3x120mm, lol.

No most people that own a x470/2X00X combo uses stock cooler or a decent 120 mm air ditto. Since I'm a AMD noob when it comes to OC and uses Linux I would like to know what that meant. Do I have to fiddle in BIOS or be forced to run Window (-programs) to "max out headroom". Btw I will be using a 480 mm rad

 

[Betty (Kung Pow)]

Working on that right now

Never wanted too see a review-stream so much before!

 

[Wavetrex]

There might be another reason for using X570 despite the prices.

I'm not seeing ANY SINGLE board from the last gens (400, 300) that has the new Realtek 2.5G Ethernet chip on board
(Some do have Aquantia 10gbps, however motherboards with that chip have less USB 3.x, there are simply not enough PCI-e bandwidth/lanes for all. And that Aquantia chip doesn't do 2.5, meaning new Cat7 cables are needed... that's complicated)

On the other hand, looking at this for example:

X570 AORUS MASTER (rev. 1.0) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

It has ALL THE USBs, and a 2.5G chip as well, WIFI 6 too.



".... But Wave, who needs 2.5Gbps Ethernet ?"

Well, I do.
I have a storage/media server that holds all my 4K footage, and DAMN those files are massive !
Copying them through the network at 100MB/s sometimes drives me nuts.
A 2.5G chip would cut the time in half ( there's enough speed on the HDD RAID array, so that's not the bottleneck, the ancient 1G NETWORK is)

I could of course use 2.5G USB dongles, yes, but if building a new Ryzen 3000 PC, why not have it built in ?

 

[bug]

everyone with a top class older chipset Ryzen mobo won't update to X570 at all, the real Q is does it worth so much new Ryzens, as their gaming performance is similar to the already older gen Ryzens....

I think the smart move here would be to wait for B550 (or whatever) if you do not require the bleeding edge.

 

[Mac2580]

It is very kind of AMD to offer backward compatibility. I will definitely consider a 12 core /24 thread 3900X and some VRM fans a couple years down the line.

 

[Mussels]

So what are prices like neighbor ours are fricken ridiculous @ $999 for the R9 3900 series CPU's and twice the R7 2700/x prices for the 3700 series here in Gougeland (New Zealand)

not quite so bad, but a new board and CPU would hit me for $1k

worth it for a new build, NOT worth it for an upgrade (Woo, 120FPS to 130FPS! i'ma feel thaaaaat!)
If i had a buyer lined up for my old stuff, i'd be tempted... but i do not.

 

[Athlonite]

Scammers will try to scam people when these things are hot. It has always been the case in some places, good thing in the usa they dont do that, newegg, microcenter and most online retailers are charging $329 for the 3700x and $499 for the 3900x.

These aren't scammers but legit PC Hardware shops here in New Zealand and if I were to buy from the states @ $329USD + PnP I'd still have to add 15% GST and whatever Duty Customs would chuck on top of it aswell so it maybe a little cheaper to do so but not a whole heck of alot

 

[Metroid]

These aren't scammers but legit PC Hardware shops here in New Zealand and if I were to buy from the states @ $329USD + PnP I'd still have to add 15% GST and whatever Duty Customs would chuck on top of it aswell so it maybe a little cheaper to do so but not a whole heck of alot

My point was "legit PC Hardware shops here in New Zealand" is taking advantage of the situation.

 

[HisDivineOrder]

Do you still have to use Ryzen-friendly memory with the 3000 series on an older chipset? Or is the improved memory compatibility irrespective of which chipset's used?

 

[farmouss]

Your OC results are not comparable to those I found from others reviewers, they all reached around 4.2 / 4.3Ghz on all cores manually, though, most of them achieved best results with PBO Max + Auto OC enabled and it looks like it's the best choice for those CPUs when using them on a variety of workloads (single and multi core workloads)
Maybe it's the Taichi motherboard or your chip sample

Since PBO seems to be very dependent on the MB quality (VRMs power and quality actually) I'd be very interested to see X570 MB reviews and comparison, just to check if it's really worth spending the extra € for overclocking capabilities

cheers

 

[Mussels]

Do you still have to use Ryzen-friendly memory with the 3000 series on an older chipset? Or is the improved memory compatibility irrespective of which chipset's used?

RAM has been really friendly even on 2nd gen, the mature bioses solved it for most boards

 

[EarthDog]

I'd call it better, but you really should stick to the QVL for Zen+. It is still more finicky than other platforms, but not as bad as Zen.

 

[Athlonite]

Do you still have to use Ryzen-friendly memory with the 3000 series on an older chipset? Or is the improved memory compatibility irrespective of which chipset's used?

If you stick with brands like GSkill or Corsair or even Team or Apacer you should be fine

 

[Octopuss]

What's the highest memory frequency x470 chipset supports?

 

[EarthDog]

What's the highest memory frequency x470 chipset supports?

Will run, or supports as those are different things that depend on the IMC and sticks used? It depends on the board, but I've seen 4400+ listed on some....it may be higher now.

 

[Octopuss]

I've just checked the new boards in our eshops and I'm SHOCKED. There are several that cost $600-700 equivalent. That's so ridiculous I can't find any words for it. There are no fucking features that would justify double the price of a brand new high performance CPU.

 

[Mussels]

I've just checked the new boards in our eshops and I'm SHOCKED. There are several that cost $600-700 equivalent. That's so ridiculous I can't find any words for it. There are no fucking features that would justify double the price of a brand new high performance CPU.

entry level x570 starts at $250Au here, either you're getting taxed hard at launch, or you're looking at the top end boards

 

[bug]

entry level x570 starts at $250Au here, either you're getting taxed hard at launch, or you're looking at the top end boards

Sales taxes in EU range from 10 to 20% (or more). Add the import tax. And the early adopter's tax. And you'll get the picture.

 

[Octopuss]

or you're looking at the top end boards

For sure. But the prices are WRONG even for that!

 

[PaddieMayne]

"Most socket AM4 motherboards based on the mid-tier B350/B450 and premium X370/X470 chipsets offer USB BIOS Flashback"

SURELY! You mean most mother boards based on the mid-tier B350/B450 and premium X370/X470 chipsets do NOT offer USB BIOS FLASHBACK!!

 

[EarthDog]

entry level x570 starts at $250Au here, either you're getting taxed hard at launch, or you're looking at the top end boards

There's a few inexpensive X570 boards, but the high end is HIGH and overall these are much more expensive than X470 was at launch.

Wheras the spread used to be from ~$100 - $3/400 with an average of say $175, its now ~$150-$100 with a lot of these well over $250.

 

[PaddieMayne]

Surely youre better off paying for a highend X470 like the ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VII Hero, rather than paying the same money for a low to mid tier X570 board?

 

[EarthDog]

Depends on your goals...

 

[bug]

Surely youre better off paying for a highend X470 like the ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VII Hero, rather than paying the same money for a low to mid tier X570 board?

You loose on those CPU connected PCIe lanes which look pretty sweet to me.