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They would, in fact, have had to design it from scratch if they went with both DDR4 & DDR5 compatibility. Would it have been a significant redesign? Probably not, but then again, I doubt either of us are microprocessor engineers.

As for the cost of DDR5, there's no longer a significant difference between 2x16GB DDR5 6000 CL32 & DDR4 3600 CL16 RAM. Typical prices for both are around $100. The difference between the high CAS latency kits for both is less than $15.

And finally about the cost of motherboards. You can now find AM5 motherboards for under $100.

AM5 platform is no longer all that much more expensive than the intel platform, on DDR4 unless you're going ultra budget.
I meant sell the high end with DDR5 and mid and low with DDR4 only.
The point is moot, AMD made their choice and are now looking at CPUs catching dust on shelves :(
 
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I meant sell the high end with DDR5 and mid and low with DDR4 only.
The point is moot, AMD made their choice and are now looking at CPUs catching dust on shelves :(
But AMD still have 5800x3d, its performance still excellent
 
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Must be some new kind of price drop that I'm not familiar with.

Fwiw, I called it over a year ago: forcing everyone to move to DDR5 will bite back at AMD. They already had the DDR4 IO die, they didn't even need to design it from scratch. A few tweaks and everyone would have been happy. They chose to be cocky instead.
The reality is that true budget consumers didn't actually 'need' to get the latest and greatest at launch. They could wait or get AM4 parts. So no need to price things for them at first. Prices can always be lowered later when sales at the higher margin get ACTUALLY too low.

More importantly, every single AM5 board is DDR5-Based, so none of the customers will need to buy a SECOND AM5 motherboard later literally just to move from DDR4 to DDR5. Avoids dead ends with the new platform.

Like imagine you're ready to move to Ryzen 9600X, but it would be severely hamstrung by the DDR4 memory you got because you couldn't be bothered to wait a bit.
 

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Like imagine you're ready to move to Ryzen 9600X, but it would be severely hamstrung by the DDR4 memory you got because you couldn't be bothered to wait a bit.
It would still be less of a bother when both DDR5 and AM5 motherboards would have had time to settle down.

Look, it's really simple: AMD has the more flexible design (CCDs+IO die), yet Intel has the more flexible product, offering both DDR4 and DDR5 support. AMD lost sales this round.
 
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I have a 5600 ;)

Back on topic, $209 for a 7600X/7600 is miiiighty tempting for me. And DDR5 RAM prices have gotten better since AM5 came out. It's just the motherboards that haven't changed much in price.

Oh the temptation! Send help! :ohwell::cry:
The doctor is in....

Ok, I'll be your psychotherapist because I understand this temptation all too well.

Upgrading your PC platform can be a very tempting thing to do but most of the time, it's not warranted. Your name tells me that your PC is primarily used for gaming, just like mine. What you need to ask yourself is whether or not your current setup has become unable to provide the gaming experience that you like, if it's hindering you in the games that you like to play. If it's not hindering you, then upgrading your PC at this time would be literally pissing your money down the toilet which is never a good thing. If it is hindering you, you have to ask the question "Why is it hindering me?" and act accordingly.

I looked at the system specs in your profile and I have both good news and bad news for you. Unlike most people, I'll start with the bad news because I prefer to end on a positive note, not begin with it. The bad news is that if you upgrade your platform to AM5, I do not believe that you'll see a significant increase in your PC's gaming performance, even if you were to get an R7-7800X3D. The good news is that there is a much easier upgrade that you can do which will pay HUGE dividends and will cost you far less than the cost of a platform upgrade (hell, even less than $209).

In any gaming PC, there's always a bottleneck and that cannot be helped because no two pieces of hardware are identical and no two games are identical, even if they use the same game engine. The bottleneck in your PC is your GTX 1660 Super and it's a BIG bottleneck.

I checked the gaming scores here on TPU for both the R5-5600 and the GTX 1660 Super and they weren't even close. I won't bother posting the graphs (because this post would be gigantic) but I will link them to the performance numbers. There were four games that were used in both reviews (at least, that I could tell) but one of them, Civ6, is irrelevant because FPS don't matter in a turn-based strategy game. The other three are Far Cry 5, Borderlands 3 and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Here's how your CPU and GPU measure up in these games (at 1080p of course):

Far Cry 5:
Your CPU: 133.9FPS
Your GPU: 94.7FPS
In Far Cry 5, your CPU is 41.3% faster than your GPU.

Borderlands 3:
Your CPU: 90.3FPS
Your GPU: 63.5FPS
In Borderlands 3, your CPU is 42.2% faster than your GPU.

Shadow of the Tomb Raider:
Your CPU: 249.3FPS
Your GPU: 94.5FPS
In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, your CPU is 163.8% faster than your GPU.

While this may only be three games, it's quite clear that, when it comes to gaming, your GTX 1660 Super is massively outclassed by your R5-5600. I believe that SOTTR is an outlier so I'll just say that your CPU is probably about 43% faster than your GPU in most gaming situations. Since your video card is limiting your CPU already, purchasing an even faster CPU would be absolutely pointless because gaming performance is always the smaller number when comparing the CPU and GPU. Ram and drive speed can also have an impact but their impact is insignificant when compared to the two core components (CPU and GPU).

If you want a serious uplift in performance, you don't need to spend $209+RAM+motherboard, you only need to spend about $180:
ASRock Radeon RX 6600 Challenger D 8GB - $180

According to the TPU GPU Database, the RX 6600 is 34% faster than the GTX 1660 Super. While it wouldn't completely unleash your R5-5600's gaming prowess, it would be close. If you wanted to get an almost exact match in gaming performance for your R5-5600, you'd be looking at the RX 5700 XT but it's $50 more expensive than the RX 6600 and just not worth it. Not because $230 is a bad price for the RX 5700 XT, but because $180 is such an incredible price for the RX 6600. It also only uses an extra 7W of power and has the same recommended 300W PSU as the GTX 1660 Super so you wouldn't have to worry about changing PSUs. If a PSU can run a GTX 1660 Super, it can also run an RX 6600 without issue.

Hopefully, my psychotherapy has cured you of this desire to needlessly upgrade your platform and instead replaced your temptation with a much more beneficial way to spend your money. Time will tell. :D

AMD could afford to be cocky, unfortunately.
If no-one wants to buy AM5 CPUs, they can just use the same CCDs for EPYC, which has higher profit margins, and Dragon Range, which is in higher demand. The Ryzen 5 7600 and 7600X get the crap bins left over once the best dies have been used for these other markets where efficiency is more important.
Well yeah, but that has always been the case. The consumer-grade stuff is the cheap leftovers after the manufacturer has taken care of its more profitable "bread and butter" business markets. I don't have a problem with this because I don't feel like spending thousands every time I want a new CPU.
 
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The doctor is in....

Ok, I'll be your psychotherapist because I understand this temptation all too well.

Upgrading your PC platform can be a very tempting thing to do but most of the time, it's not warranted. Your name tells me that your PC is primarily used for gaming, just like mine. What you need to ask yourself is whether or not your current setup has become unable to provide the gaming experience that you like, if it's hindering you in the games that you like to play. If it's not hindering you, then upgrading your PC at this time would be literally pissing your money down the toilet which is never a good thing. If it is hindering you, you have to ask the question "Why is it hindering me?" and act accordingly.

I looked at the system specs in your profile and I have both good news and bad news for you. Unlike most people, I'll start with the bad news because I prefer to end on a positive note, not begin with it. The bad news is that if you upgrade your platform to AM5, I do not believe that you'll see a significant increase in your PC's gaming performance, even if you were to get an R7-7800X3D. The good news is that there is a much easier upgrade that you can do which will pay HUGE dividends and will cost you far less than the cost of a platform upgrade (hell, even less than $209).

In any gaming PC, there's always a bottleneck and that cannot be helped because no two pieces of hardware are identical and no two games are identical, even if they use the same game engine. The bottleneck in your PC is your GTX 1660 Super and it's a BIG bottleneck.

I checked the gaming scores here on TPU for both the R5-5600 and the GTX 1660 Super and they weren't even close. I won't bother posting the graphs (because this post would be gigantic) but I will link them to the performance numbers. There were four games that were used in both reviews (at least, that I could tell) but one of them, Civ6, is irrelevant because FPS don't matter in a turn-based strategy game. The other three are Far Cry 5, Borderlands 3 and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Here's how your CPU and GPU measure up in these games (at 1080p of course):

Far Cry 5:
Your CPU: 133.9FPS
Your GPU: 94.7FPS
In Far Cry 5, your CPU is 41.3% faster than your GPU.

Borderlands 3:
Your CPU: 90.3FPS
Your GPU: 63.5FPS
In Borderlands 3, your CPU is 42.2% faster than your GPU.

Shadow of the Tomb Raider:
Your CPU: 249.3FPS
Your GPU: 94.5FPS
In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, your CPU is 163.8% faster than your GPU.

While this may only be three games, it's quite clear that, when it comes to gaming, your GTX 1660 Super is massively outclassed by your R5-5600. I believe that SOTTR is an outlier so I'll just say that your CPU is probably about 43% faster than your GPU in most gaming situations. Since your video card is limiting your CPU already, purchasing an even faster CPU would be absolutely pointless because gaming performance is always the smaller number when comparing the CPU and GPU. Ram and drive speed can also have an impact but their impact is insignificant when compared to the two core components (CPU and GPU).

If you want a serious uplift in performance, you don't need to spend $209+RAM+motherboard, you only need to spend about $180:
ASRock Radeon RX 6600 Challenger D 8GB - $180

According to the TPU GPU Database, the RX 6600 is 34% faster than the GTX 1660 Super. While it wouldn't completely unleash your R5-5600's gaming prowess, it would be close. If you wanted to get an almost exact match in gaming performance for your R5-5600, you'd be looking at the RX 5700 XT but it's $50 more expensive than the RX 6600 and just not worth it. Not because $230 is a bad price for the RX 5700 XT, but because $180 is such an incredible price for the RX 6600. It also only uses an extra 7W of power and has the same recommended 300W PSU as the GTX 1660 Super so you wouldn't have to worry about changing PSUs. If a PSU can run a GTX 1660 Super, it can also run an RX 6600 without issue.

Hopefully, my psychotherapy has cured you of this desire to needlessly upgrade your platform and instead replaced your temptation with a much more beneficial way to spend your money. Time will tell. :D

Goddamn.... That was an amazing reply! :clap:

I've actually been in the market for a GPU upgrade for the past several months, as I know my 1660 Super is the de-facto bottleneck of my system. I've even noticed one game I play daily (with mods installed) has begun to stutter and, sometimes, freeze for a few seconds. Very unfortunate, indeed.

I'm torn between several cards - the 6650XT, 6700/XT, 6800/XT, and the new 7600. I'm not really considering Nvidia at this point because of price + none of the games I play take advantage of RT (which I don't care about) or DLSS and I doubt they ever will. The thing I'm torn on is the VRAM - I game at 1080p on a 27" 165Hz monitor, but since I tend to keep my GPUs for a while (3+ years) and games are becoming VRAM gobbling monsters due to crappy optimization, I'm finding it hard to be comfortable with buying a card with only 8GB of VRAM. I think I'd feel more comfortable with 10 to 12GB, but notice I did list the 6800 series as well, which is 16GB (even though it's probably overkill for me)

In addition to a GPU upgrade, I'm also considering a RAM upgrade to 32 GBs.
 

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Goddamn.... That was an amazing reply! :clap:

I've actually been in the market for a GPU upgrade for the past several months, as I know my 1660 Super is the de-facto bottleneck of my system. I've even noticed one game I play daily (with mods installed) has begun to stutter and, sometimes, freeze for a few seconds. Very unfortunate, indeed.

I'm torn between several cards - the 6650XT, 6700/XT, 6800/XT, and the new 7600. I'm not really considering Nvidia at this point because of price + none of the games I play take advantage of RT (which I don't care about) or DLSS and I doubt they ever will. The thing I'm torn on is the VRAM - I game at 1080p on a 27" 165Hz monitor, but since I tend to keep my GPUs for a while (3+ years) and games are becoming VRAM gobbling monsters due to crappy optimization, I'm finding it hard to be comfortable with buying a card with only 8GB of VRAM. I think I'd feel more comfortable with 10 to 12GB, but notice I did list the 6800 series as well, which is 16GB (even though it's probably overkill for me)

In addition to a GPU upgrade, I'm also considering a RAM upgrade to 32 GBs.
Yeah, for FHD gaming, those 8GB will hold you back big time. AMD's marketing is doing a fine job...
 
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Goddamn.... That was an amazing reply! :clap:
Thank you! I'm of the opinion that if a reply doesn't solve the problem, there's no point in making a reply. ;)
I've actually been in the market for a GPU upgrade for the past several months, as I know my 1660 Super is the de-facto bottleneck of my system. I've even noticed one game I play daily (with mods installed) has begun to stutter and, sometimes, freeze for a few seconds. Very unfortunate, indeed.
Yeah, it sucks, but it's better than having to do a platform upgrade. Just make sure that you run DDU before installing and/or updating the Radeon drivers. You should also check to see if your chipset drivers are up to date as well. All AM4 chipsets use the same driver package regardless of whether you use Windows 10 or Windows 11. The current version is 5.05.16.529 <- click this link to download it directly from amd.com.
I'm torn between several cards - the 6650XT, 6700/XT, 6800/XT, and the new 7600. I'm not really considering Nvidia at this point because of price + none of the games I play take advantage of RT (which I don't care about) or DLSS and I doubt they ever will. The thing I'm torn on is the VRAM - I game at 1080p on a 27" 165Hz monitor, but since I tend to keep my GPUs for a while (3+ years) and games are becoming VRAM gobbling monsters due to crappy optimization, I'm finding it hard to be comfortable with buying a card with only 8GB of VRAM. I think I'd feel more comfortable with 10 to 12GB, but notice I did list the 6800 series as well, which is 16GB (even though it's probably overkill for me)
The best you could do would be the RX 6700 if you want more than 8GB:
XFX Radeon RX 6700 Speedster SWFT 10GB: $280

However, I wouldn't recommend it because the RX 6700 is only about 7% faster than the RX 6600 but costs $100 more. Sure, it has 2 extra GB of VRAM but that's not worth $100 either. Then there's the fact that the R5-5600 can't hit 165FPS in most games (I still don't get how it managed almost 250FPS in SOTTR, a game that is notoriously hard on CPUs) so paying more for a card that can would be a crap-tonne of money for almost no benefit over the RX 6600. Then there's the fact that it would use a crap-tonne more juice as well so your PSU's capabilities would then be called into question as well. The extra $100 would be better spent later on a future upgrade.

For e-sports titles, well, the RX 6600 gets over 500FPS in CS:GO with the R5-5600:
In addition to a GPU upgrade, I'm also considering a RAM upgrade to 32 GBs.
I did the same thing. Then if/when you upgrade your CPU to an R7-5800X3D, you'll be in good stead for a very long time.

Yeah, for FHD gaming, those 8GB will hold you back big time. AMD's marketing is doing a fine job...
What are you talking about? FHD is 1080p and is mostly immune to the 8GB problem. There are a couple of games that do have issues at 1080p ultra but not if you just turn some settings down or use lower-res textures. If Gmr_Chick is already mostly happy with a GTX 1660 Super, then she's going to be absolutely thrilled with an RX 6600.

As nVidia fanboys have loved to point out, you can always turn settings down so that your VRAM doesn't max out and overflow. They're 100% right about that but also completely missing the point (something that fanboys of all kinds are all-too good at). That very pertinent point is that for the price that nVidia was demanding for 8GB cards like the RTX 3060 Ti, RTX 3070, RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 4060, the end user shouldn't have to turn settings down with a brand-new card! However, if you were just buying an RX 6600 for only $180, knowing what it can and can't do, it wouldn't be nearly as bitter a pill to swallow, would it?

Gmr_Chick has stated, quite clearly, that she games on a 1080p 156Hz high-refresh monitor. That means she can't raise the resolution into the VRAM danger zones of 1440p and 2160p so 99.9% of the time, 8GB will be fine for her purposes.

You mentioned "AMD's Marketing" but the public's perception isn't because of AMD marketing. Sasa Marinkovic isn't even close to being that smart. The real reason is because Steve Walton of Hardware Unboxed/Techspot, (one of the most respected benchmarkers in the world BTW) who has absolutely nothing to do with AMD's marketing department, first discovered the problem in Hogwarts: Legacy and posted a video about it that went viral. What really annoyed nVidia fanboys about his video was the fact that RT was also crippled by having only 8GB of VRAM which only made their bad choices even worse. Now, the "but-but-but Ray Tracing!" reason for buying a GeForce card has collapsed like a house of cards in the wind. You like to talk about marketing, but it was nVidia's marketing about RT that was the most successful at hoodwinking people.

Here's the video from "AMD Marketing" as you like to call it:

Since then, other games have had issues like The Last of Us: Part 1:

So Steve decided to try a comparison between an 8GB GeForce RTX 3070 and a 16GB Radeon RX 6800. The RTX 3070 got mopped and badly. :
Steve was very careful to say that 8GB was no longer enough for high-end gaming which doesn't include 1080p.

Jedi Survivor, and Resident Evil Remastered have also demonstrated issues with 8GB of VRAM, mostly at 1440p or higher but sometimes at 1080p (although only at high or ultra settings). Anyone who has been around for more than 10 years knew that this would happen because the same thing happened already with 1GB, 2GB, 3GB, 4GB and 6GB so it was only a matter of time. However,

AMD's marketing does suck, there's no question about that. I'm honestly shocked that Lisa Su hasn't canned that moron named Sasa Marinkovic for the crap that he has pulled. However, they had nothing to do with the idea that 8GB is a problem. The truth is that 8GB isn't a problem for someone who games at 1080p. The problem is the fact that nVidia was putting 8GB in mid-range 1440p cards and only 10GB in their high-end RTX 3080. I remember being shocked at how the RTX 3080 only had 10GB and was glad that the RX 6800 XT had 16GB because I knew that it would be cheaper than the RTX 3080 despite having the same performance. Sure enough, it was cheaper and it ended up being cheaper by about $1000USD during the mining crisis. I way overpaid for mine because I wanted a reference model and got one for about $700 less than a card in a store would have cost me (a non-reference card at that!).

This whole problem was engineered by nVidia, not by AMD.
 
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Thank you! I'm of the opinion that if a reply doesn't solve the problem, there's no point in making a reply. ;)

Yeah, it sucks, but it's better than having to do a platform upgrade. Just make sure that you run DDU before installing and/or updating the Radeon drivers. You should also check to see if your chipset drivers are up to date as well. All AM4 chipsets use the same driver package regardless of whether you use Windows 10 or Windows 11. The current version is 5.05.16.529 <- click this link to download it directly from amd.com.

The best you could do would be the RX 6700 if you want more than 8GB:
XFX Radeon RX 6700 Speedster SWFT 10GB: $280

However, I wouldn't recommend it because the RX 6700 is only about 7% faster than the RX 6600 but costs $100 more. Sure, it has 2 extra GB of VRAM but that's not worth $100 either. Then there's the fact that the R5-5600 can't hit 165FPS in most games (I still don't get how it managed almost 250FPS in SOTTR, a game that is notoriously hard on CPUs) so paying more for a card that can would be a crap-tonne of money for almost no benefit over the RX 6600. Then there's the fact that it would use a crap-tonne more juice as well so your PSU's capabilities would then be called into question as well. The extra $100 would be better spent later on a future upgrade.

For e-sports titles, well, the RX 6600 gets over 500FPS in CS:GO with the R5-5600:

I did the same thing. Then if/when you upgrade your CPU to an R7-5800X3D, you'll be in good stead for a very long time.


What are you talking about? FHD is 1080p and is mostly immune to the 8GB problem. There are a couple of games that do have issues at 1080p ultra but not if you just turn some settings down or use lower-res textures. If Gmr_Chick is already mostly happy with a GTX 1660 Super, then she's going to be absolutely thrilled with an RX 6600.

As nVidia fanboys have loved to point out, you can always turn settings down so that your VRAM doesn't max out and overflow. They're 100% right about that but also completely missing the point (something that fanboys of all kinds are all-too good at). That very pertinent point is that for the price that nVidia was demanding for 8GB cards like the RTX 3060 Ti, RTX 3070, RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 4060, the end user shouldn't have to turn settings down with a brand-new card! However, if you were just buying an RX 6600 for only $180, knowing what it can and can't do, it wouldn't be nearly as bitter a pill to swallow, would it?

Gmr_Chick has stated, quite clearly, that she games on a 1080p 156Hz high-refresh monitor. That means she can't raise the resolution into the VRAM danger zones of 1440p and 2160p so 99.9% of the time, 8GB will be fine for her purposes.

You mentioned "AMD's Marketing" but the public's perception isn't because of AMD marketing. Sasa Marinkovic isn't even close to being that smart. The real reason is because Steve Walton of Hardware Unboxed/Techspot, (one of the most respected benchmarkers in the world BTW) who has absolutely nothing to do with AMD's marketing department, first discovered the problem in Hogwarts: Legacy and posted a video about it that went viral. What really annoyed nVidia fanboys about his video was the fact that RT was also crippled by having only 8GB of VRAM which only made their bad choices even worse. Now, the "but-but-but Ray Tracing!" reason for buying a GeForce card has collapsed like a house of cards in the wind. You like to talk about marketing, but it was nVidia's marketing about RT that was the most successful at hoodwinking people.

Here's the video from "AMD Marketing" as you like to call it:

Since then, other games have had issues like The Last of Us: Part 1:

So Steve decided to try a comparison between an 8GB GeForce RTX 3070 and a 16GB Radeon RX 6800. The RTX 3070 got mopped and badly. :
Steve was very careful to say that 8GB was no longer enough for high-end gaming which doesn't include 1080p.

Jedi Survivor, and Resident Evil Remastered have also demonstrated issues with 8GB of VRAM, mostly at 1440p or higher but sometimes at 1080p (although only at high or ultra settings). Anyone who has been around for more than 10 years knew that this would happen because the same thing happened already with 1GB, 2GB, 3GB, 4GB and 6GB so it was only a matter of time. However,

AMD's marketing does suck, there's no question about that. I'm honestly shocked that Lisa Su hasn't canned that moron named Sasa Marinkovic for the crap that he has pulled. However, they had nothing to do with the idea that 8GB is a problem. The truth is that 8GB isn't a problem for someone who games at 1080p. The problem is the fact that nVidia was putting 8GB in mid-range 1440p cards and only 10GB in their high-end RTX 3080. I remember being shocked at how the RTX 3080 only had 10GB and was glad that the RX 6800 XT had 16GB because I knew that it would be cheaper than the RTX 3080 despite having the same performance. Sure enough, it was cheaper and it ended up being cheaper by about $1000USD during the mining crisis. I way overpaid for mine because I wanted a reference model and got one for about $700 less than a card in a store would have cost me (a non-reference card at that!).

This whole problem was engineered by nVidia, not by AMD.

(Didn't want to cut up your very informative post so I just bolded a part)

You've managed to "talk me off the ledge" so to speak and I've decided to buy the new RX 7600 (the ASRock Phantom Gaming one that TPU reviewed) instead of any of the others I mentioned in my prior post :D

I think I'll be very happy with it.
 
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(Didn't want to cut up your very informative post so I just bolded a part)

You've managed to "talk me off the ledge" so to speak and I've decided to buy the new RX 7600 (the ASRock Phantom Gaming one that TPU reviewed) instead of any of the others I mentioned in my prior post :D
Excellent! It makes my heart glad to know that I've made a positive difference somewhere in the world! :clap:
I think I'll be very happy with it.
I think that you're right. For 1080p gaming, 10GB of VRAM will be good for a very long time and it won't be a hindrance to your CPU. You'll see some pretty massive gains with it. Let me know when you get it and how much of a difference it makes. I'm genuinely interested to hear how it goes. Just don't forget to use DDU (<-Link) before installing or updating the Adrenalin drivers, because that can make or break someone's experience.
 
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