AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

[XL-R8R]

Outside of gaming there is about a 20% difference, whether that's worth 100€ or not it's a matter of perspective.
If your only interest is budget gaming and 6 cores are enough for you then the 5600 is a better choice and closer to the i5 in both performance and price.
And what's wrong with the point about older motherboards? it seems very relevant for about half the people in this forum.

Honestly the platforms are so close to each other that I don't get people trying so hard to push for intel in every AMD review.
And you even have the gall of accusing other of immaturity...

As a long time forum user - even before this account im typing on now - i see a "slip" in general attitude of this community from one of helpfulness to one of bitterness/discontent with each other..... even to go as far as arguing about nonsensical stuff.

As for the 5600 being "better"; i dont run intensive cpu tasks and i predominantly play games (along with the vast majority of users on this forum for example).. but when viewing TPU's own review of the 12400f, its easily seen that the Intel cpu either matches or outperforms the AMD equivalent in most of the tests conducted...


So all things considered... this 5700x release is still a fairly useless one($10 less than a 5800x? ) and the 5600(or X derivative) is still significantly more money than its rival(12400f)...... i see no need for debate on a logical level as its a pretty closed and shut case leaving only personal feelings to discuss....




and no... very, very few people buy a $300 cpu to shove in a 7 year old $130 board... its just one of the selling points people cling to in order to make something seem better when in reality its a mute point for most folks/a relic of ryzen 1 -> 2 switchovers that happened years ago

 

[Pepamami]

All the typing people have done so far in this thread.... and no one points out the 12400f is only 3% slower in games when averaged out at 1080p (dropping to less than 2% @ 1440) and around $100 less than a 5700x

Intel cant even make socket brackets properly, and when people point out about weird cover on 1700, Intel said: "no its ok".
When AMD screwup fTPM, they just said "ok its broken. but we will fix it xd)))".
Maybe 5700X is a cpu for people, who dont want to deal with additional "mounting kits", where u can break whole socket or even cpu itself during installation.

 

[XL-R8R]

Intel cant even make socket brackets properly, and when people point out about weird cover on 1700, Intel said: "no its ok".
When AMD screwup fTPM, they just said "ok its broken. but we will fix it xd)))".
Maybe 5700X is a cpu for people, who dont want to deal with additional "mounting kits", where u can broke whole socket or even cpu itself during installation.

Or - maybe - the cpu (5700x) is a lost cause and akin to nVidias idea of a "new" product in the shape of a 1630.....?


The 5700x has a hard time proving its self as a worthy cpu to chose when its up against such stiff Intel competition AND gets cannibalised by the 5800x only $10 above it.




As much as folks want to see this cpu as being amazing.. it really isnt lol

 

[Pepamami]

against such stiff Intel competition AND gets cannibalised by the 5800x only $10 above it.

How many people bought 3600X instead of 3600? 2600X over 2600?
5800X sets for higher TDP, 5800X is an alternative, not a replacement.
New 5700X is cool for >>today<<, coz Intel still got issues with 12gen (some apps gets slow coz of E-cores, Bad socket cover, high power draw on CPUs for higher multicore tasks), and Zen4 still not even released.
Especially its cool for people who already got AM4 mobo.

 

[Lionheart]

Should I just forget a 5800X and get this then?

I ran a 5800X & those things are toasty, so just make sure you have a good cooler for one, otherwise I'd just get the 5700x.

 

[zezinhocrack]

I have the system R7 5700x + DDR4-4000 (B-die 15-15-15-35) + 6900XT I can say that I am happy.

 

[progste]

As a long time forum user - even before this account im typing on now - i see a "slip" in general attitude of this community from one of helpfulness to one of bitterness/discontent with each other..... even to go as far as arguing about nonsensical stuff.

As for the 5600 being "better"; i dont run intensive cpu tasks and i predominantly play games (along with the vast majority of users on this forum for example).. but when viewing TPU's own review of the 12400f, its easily seen that the Intel cpu either matches or outperforms the AMD equivalent in most of the tests conducted...


So all things considered... this 5700x release is still a fairly useless one($10 less than a 5800x? ) and the 5600(or X derivative) is still significantly more money than its rival(12400f)...... i see no need for debate on a logical level as its a pretty closed and shut case leaving only personal feelings to discuss....




and no... very, very few people buy a $300 cpu to shove in a 7 year old $130 board... its just one of the selling points people cling to in order to make something seem better when in reality its a mute point for most folks/a relic of ryzen 1 -> 2 switchovers that happened years ago

the 5600/x are abut 200€ which is the same price of the 2400f.
When I said the 5600 is a better choice I meant compared to the 5700x, at least for those interested only in gaming performance.
The 2400f is not a rival for the 5600, not the 5700x.

You ask why would anyone stick a new CPU in an old motherboard? Very simple, to save those same 100$ that made you basically flip out in your previous post.

 

[BlaezaLite]

I have the system R7 5700x + DDR4-4000 (B-die 15-15-15-35) + 6900XT I can say that I am happy.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I want ALL your parts...

 

[Lesha]

I ran a 5800X & those things are toasty, so just make sure you have a good cooler for one, otherwise I'd just get the 5700x.

Which revision?

 

[BlaezaLite]

I ran a 5800X & those things are toasty, so just make sure you have a good cooler for one, otherwise I'd just get the 5700x.

Getting a deepcool ak620 to go with it. My poor Vetroo can't keep up with my 3600 oc'd.

 

[Pepamami]

I ran a 5800X & those things are toasty, so just make sure you have a good cooler for one, otherwise I'd just get the 5700x.

5800X is B0 or new VRM-B2?

 

[Tarte]

How much better is the R 7 5700X compared to my R 7 3700X ?
I see no reason to change it.
Motheboard is a MSI MEG X570 Unify.

 

[MarsM4N]

Yes, matches to the t (and loses to KS) and as much as it "destroys" it in some games, it also gets destroyed in turn:

Because folks play at a 1280x720 resolution. With 722FPS.

Let's be realistic. Just ePeen benchmarks.

 

[chrcoluk]

Review seems awkrawd, saying finally a affordable 8 core chip and highly recommended yet its practically same price as the 5800X, at the pricepoints disclosed in review, the only reason to get this over the 5800X is if you value the lower TDP or 5800X out of stock?

 

[Pepamami]

Review seems awkrawd, saying finally a affordable 8 core chip and highly recommended yet its practically same price as the 5800X, at the pricepoints disclosed in review, the only reason to get this over the 5800X is if you value the lower TDP or 5800X out of stock?

I think yes. 5800X and 5700X are almost same now, since they got the same VRM-B2 revision, even almost same price. People, who complaints about 5800X being superhot usually have B0 revision. But I am not sure yet.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

It's so funny when you go "5800X is faster for only $10 more", "12600k is cheaper and faster" and then you go "highly recommended".
I mean, we all know why, but it's still funny.

I'll be the third person in this thread to ask. Why is he doing that? What are you talking about?

 

[BlaezaLite]

Because folks play at a 1280x720 resolution. With 722FPS.

Let's be realistic. Just ePeen benchmarks.

Not everyone has the best monitor. Mine has an ipod dock on the front and a DVD player built in!

 

[bug]

I don't. Why?

Why?

I'll be the third person in this thread to ask. Why is he doing that? What are you talking about?

Because this is the internet. Nothing ever gets labeled as bad or 2/10.
Whether this is to keep your audience or keep those samples coming, I have no idea.

 

[Pepamami]

Nothing ever gets labeled as bad or 2/10.

U cant label this cpu as bad or 2/10, at least coz of its power efficiency and that u dont need AM4v2 socket to use it. So nobody will get ur joke

 

[BlaezaLite]

Because this is the internet. Nothing ever gets labeled as bad or 2/10.
Whether this is to keep your audience or keep those samples coming, I have no idea.

Mr Bug please explain to me, I'm confused as feck.

 

[bug]

U cant label this cpu as bad or 2/10, at least coz of its power efficiency and that u dont need AM4v2 socket to use it. So nobody will get ur joke

It's obviously neither bad, nor 2/10. But it's still no way this is "highly recommended" when for the asking price buyers will either get the 5800X or the 12600k, depending on their needs. This is simply a poor choice at MSRP.

 

[BlaezaLite]

It's obviously neither bad, nor 2/10. But it's still no way this is "highly recommended" when for the asking price buyers will either get the 5800X or the 12600k, depending on their needs. This is simply a poor choice at MSRP.

I see! Thank you.

 

[bug]

Mr Bug please explain to me, I'm confused as feck.

For some reason, everything that get a review on the Internet gets a high score. For example, look at Google Play. It uses a 1-5 stars rating. Yet almost everything is 4.4-4.8 stars. And that includes blatant Chinese rip offs.
In the same manner, hardware review sites will almost always recommend the reviewed hardware, no matter how good or bad that hardware really is. They will always find an angle from which the product, if not best in class, will get slapped with a "best value" , "un certain regard" and whatnot. They will religiously avoid labeling products as "bad", "poor", "lacking" and such. W1zzard's excuse is usually "but it's still a great piece of engineering".
The net effect being that I've grown to absolutely ignore any and all recommendations at the end of a review.

 

[cvaldes]

For some reason, everything that get a review on the Internet gets a high score. For example, look at Google Play. It uses a 1-5 stars rating. Yet almost everything is 4.4-4.8 stars. And that includes blatant Chinese rip offs.
In the same manner, hardware review sites will almost always recommend the reviewed hardware, no matter how good or bad that hardware really is. They will always find an angle from which the product, if not best in class, will get slapped with a "best value" , "un certain regard" and whatnot. They will religiously avoid labeling products as "bad", "poor", "lacking" and such. W1zzard's excuse is usually "but it's still a great piece of engineering".
The net effect being that I've grown to absolutely ignore any and all recommendations at the end of a review.

There are a handful of review sites that will state outright if a reviewed product is no good.

The mitigating factor is whether or not any given site receives reviewer samples from manufacturers. Most review sites simply do not have the budget to acquire all of their own review units. If they are forthright and honest about how much a product sucks, the flow of sample units will dry up real quick. In the early years of Tom's Hardware and Anandtech (back in the Nineties), they called out manufacturers periodically.

So most reviewers still need to find some sort of scenario to recommend the product being reviewed even if they start digging deep for a justification that was refuted earlier in the review.

No one is required by law to believe everything they read. Even if most of a review is plausible, a reader might disagree with certain parts. That's part of reading comprehension and being mature enough to decide how much of what you are reading is plausible.

No one can please everyone all the time. And we're not just talking about PC hardware reviews.

If you don't like a particular reviewer, don't read them. If you don't like any reviewers, skip all of them. Remember that writing isn't a precious skill anymore. Writing has been completely commodified thanks to the Internet.

For me reviews do still have some utility. I don't have the resources to test every single product on the market. The time factor is the biggest one. Some categories -- like power supplies -- require specialized test equipment and a much deeper knowledge of electrical engineering than I have.

Sometimes I end up at a conclusion that wasn't intended by the writer. Here's a Tom's Hardware legacy comparison chart of thermal pastes:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yqSq6qVDxvcsSQc3kFUvfG-970-80.png.webp

More important that learning which paste is "the best" is the fact that conventional thermal pastes are almost all within 3°C of each other. Only the liquid metal pastes have more conductive performance. Pads are slightly worse. So if a manufacturer includes some bundled thermal paste with a piece of hardware, I should comfortable using it because it's essentially no different than a premium paste like Noctua, Arctic, whatever.

Also a lot of reviews conclude with the reviewed product not being a standout value compared to the competition. Remember that most review judgments are based on the MSRP so when the pros and cons are added up and compared to the price asked, there's the fundamental question "Do I spend the money on this or something else?"

If you buy a bag of potato chips, most likely you left behind fifty other bags of chips and possibly hundreds of other snacks. We do this every day for multiple purchase decisions.

 

[Pepamami]

This is simply a poor choice at MSRP.

I would agree with that, but 5700X power consumption and performance per watt in mutlithread apps says otherwise. But if u are a gamer, then ofc, but its not only about games, but even in games 5700x and 5800x have almost same performance.

Some people may find 5700X trash (for example people who buy PC from scratch, or do only games, or like shiny things), some people, with an old B350 motherboard recieved from Grandpa, will find 5700X as treasure.

Right now I am more concerned about, why reviewers don't tell people about coil whine in motherboards/gpus, it makes purchase 100 times harder now. But at least I heard about bad 1700 socket cover in time, almost bought it myself :C