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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D

I'd love to see how a 12c/24t version with 192MB of LLC would turn out. Fewer cores per CCD should help with cache hits if you're only sharing that 96MB per CCD with 6 cores instead of 8. Either way, I think AMD deserves some credit for trying something a little different than with the rest of their lineup. It's that extra level of spiciness that we should be craving from tech companies, particularly if they can manage to build this SRAM on nodes small enough where power consumption is minimal given the gain.
 
fevgatos said:
It is impressive indeed, but keep in mind they used 4400 ddr5 on intel.
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They actually used DDR5-4800 CL38. Yes, I agree that using faster RAM would allow the 12900K to score higher on the perf/watt metric. But similarly, the 5800X3D would do better with DDR4-3800 CL14.

Dr. Dro said:
It's a great chip, but I fear it's being praised for something it hasn't earned.
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I meant efficiency in games specifically. Limiting the voltage and clocks evidently brought the power consumption down, but it's the addition of the 3D V-cache that brought the efficiency in games to an entirely new level for Zen 3:

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Is the new 5800X3D the most efficient CPU in terms of price/performance in all scenarios? No.
Is it the most efficient CPU in terms of performance/watt in games? If the above ComputerBase numbers are anything to go by, I'd say yes.
 
Tigger said:
For a new build maybe, not worth buying if you already have a good CPU though.
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That's always true, new chips are only relevant to those who want a new build, or got lucky with an upgrade path (the people with X370/B450 that can run the 5800X3D struck gold)
 
QuietBob said:
I meant efficiency in games specifically. Limiting the voltage and clocks evidently brought the power consumption down, but it's the addition of the 3D V-cache that brought the efficiency in games to an entirely new level for Zen 3:

Is the new 5800X3D the most efficient CPU in terms of price/performance in all scenarios? No.
Is it the most efficient CPU in terms of performance/watt in games? If the above ComputerBase numbers are anything to go by, I'd say yes.
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Yeah, it's a great processor if you strictly focus on vidya, I just disagree with the pricing. It might make sense to a lot of people, given the provided upgrade paths. I've just been puzzled here, the setbacks otherwise seem a bit more than i'm willing to deal with for $450; but i'm also spoiled by my 5950X's phenomenal performance all-around. I've owned this processor for a year now and it still feels limitlessly powerful. I also fully acknowledge that this CPU just isn't intended for me, but I wouldn't mind having a sidekick rig with one.
 
theglaze said:
I'm in the same boat... Alder Lake runs too hot and inefficient for my taste. While Zen 4 is probably worth the wait, it will likely be scalped for months after launch, a risk to teething issues with new chipsets and first-gen mobos, and DDR5 will still be expensive.
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My fear with Zen 4 is AMDs value-king status further tarnished although we cant hold it against them. Judging by Zen 3's initial prices, i suspect Zen 4's gonna be extortionate from every angle (1st Gen processors, mobos and DDR5). The more I look at it, the 5600/5600X and if the price drops the 5800X3D might be the way forward for me. I dunno, i have a weird self gratifying buzz about bringing back one of our older AM4 boards and breathing life into it.

What are your thoughts on 1440p gaming... will Zen 4(ddr5) see more significant performance returns or will we still be largely GPU bound at this resolution? I'm still considering sticking with the 9700K long enough to see how much of a Zen 4 performance uplift we get at 1440p before considering any/all options. If i'm overthinking you have full legal authority to slap me across the head with a wet fish and knock some sense into me.

Just info-hungry-curious... any chance Zen-4 will be DDR4 backwards compatible or are we 100% moving along with DDR5?
 
Dr. Dro said:
Yeah, it's a great processor if you strictly focus on vidya, I just disagree with the pricing. It might make sense to a lot of people, given the provided upgrade paths. I've just been puzzled here, the setbacks otherwise seem a bit more than i'm willing to deal with for $450; but i'm also spoiled by my 5950X's phenomenal performance all-around. I've owned this processor for a year now and it still feels limitlessly powerful. I also fully acknowledge that this CPU just isn't intended for me, but I wouldn't mind having a sidekick rig with one.
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That's what I plan to do, my second system is a x470 with a 2700x , the 5950x will replace it, the 5800X3D will go in the ASUS Dark Hero .
 
Just checked my motherboards for 5800x3d compatibility
*all of them*

AX370 Gaming 5? Bios T51D adds all Zen3 (incl 5800x)
Strix B450-I? Yup.
The otherwise garbage B450M PRO-M2 MAX? Yup
And no ones shocked, X570-F also has it.

It seems that a few companies were just waiting on the 5800X3D to launch, so they could do all of zen 3 in one go including all the new chips.
 
Even B350 getting all Zen 3 by the look of it. Guess AMD changed their mind...

Better keep people on their platform, if you're forcing people to change board a lot would go for AL.

Changing chip easy, for those still on Zen 1 like me. Doubt will go for 3D version... Will see if prices come down further.
 
I have regularly seen the 5600X go for $200 on Amazon.com with the 5600 going for $199. Complete BS if you ask me since the 5600 seems to be limited release in many parts of
the world and was not even released here in India while all other SKU are for sale. @W1zzard @btarunr care to share any opinions on why AMD is doing this? What is the need for a $199 5600 when the 5600X is 1USD more in the US market place?
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I am really hooked on seeing the price of the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D in my country.

I am sad to see the lack of prices and feature for motherboards ain't not really good talking about compared to board's for Intel 12gen with MSI's Pro Z690-A.

I mainly been looking at X570 because most B550 boards only gives me 2xM.2. and takes away 2xSATA ports using the second M.2. but also a interal type-c for my Meshify 2 case because I use a delock usb-c to usb-a adapter always because transfer speeds are better average than normal usb 3.0 to all my usb 3.0 thumb drives.

Proshop is having a easter sale on some boards I been looking at my all almost got Realtek lan :wtf:

£167 gets me a MSI MAG X570S Torpedo but Realtek lan not a fan of the lan.
£200 gets me a MSI MPG Edge Max Wifi same features as the Torpedo adds a third M.2. and WiFi 6E.
£223 gets me my dreams scheme board which is the Gigabyte X570S Aero G it got everything but my wallet doesn't agree with me on this price and I do not want to fight my mixed DDR4 battle like my Z590 Vision G.

Since I had a MSI B450 and Asus B550 in the past with no issue to my mixed DDR4 ram I might jump onto the Asus ROG Strix X570-F for £184 on easter sale because I got Intel I211-AT (Gigabit), 2xM.2 and 8xSATA ports o_O
 
5.1ghz at 1.2v

https://hothardware.com/news/ryzen-7-5800x3d-overclocked-to-51ghz-by-msi

To achieve that overclock, TSAIK had to raise the reference clock to 113 MHz. We don't know what compromises that required on the MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE board he was using, but we do know that it required him to use only a single 8GB memory module running at just 1,205 MHz (2410 MT/s). Essentially, it's a single stick running at JEDEC "safe" timings, and the only reason it's 1,205 MHz instead of 1,066 Mhz is because of the increased reference clock.
 
Tigger said:
5.1ghz at 1.2v

https://hothardware.com/news/ryzen-7-5800x3d-overclocked-to-51ghz-by-msi

To achieve that overclock, TSAIK had to raise the reference clock to 113 MHz. We don't know what compromises that required on the MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE board he was using, but we do know that it required him to use only a single 8GB memory module running at just 1,205 MHz (2410 MT/s). Essentially, it's a single stick running at JEDEC "safe" timings, and the only reason it's 1,205 MHz instead of 1,066 Mhz is because of the increased reference clock.
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Was just going to post that his validation was done in single channel
 
So according to this thread, PBO works, meaning you can tune power limits and core offsets.

www.overclock.net

5800X3D Owners

Scroll Down For Gaming Results If Not Interested In Details TLDR: 5800X3D is a monster at gaming, is easily OCd, and runs hot and beats even a tuned 5950x in most games; for general computing the 5800x, and more importantly now, the 5700x trounce it when OCd as well but cannot match it in...
www.overclock.net www.overclock.net

Makes sense and is good news, although the benefits of doing it on this chip seem to be limited.
 
xenocide said:
This is like, the coldest of takes. This isn't a CPU intended to be an upgrade from someone using a 5800X or equivalent CPU. It's a final upgrade for people using a 2xxx or even 1xxx series CPU so they can go a few years longer without having to rebuild their entire PC. The performance is there, and in that regard it achieves its goal.
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Your arguement makes no sense, it's as if people upgrading from 2xxx or even 1xxx aren't the least bit interested with being wise with their money and will pretend chips that bracket the 5800X3D, the 5600X, 5700X/5800X, and 5900X don't exist. 5800X3D isn't a bad chip but pricing puts in a very awkward spot too expensive for what it offers to make a hard case against 5600X, and expensive enough for the 5900X to be the more logical choice.
 
blu3dragon said:
So according to this thread, PBO works, meaning you can tune power limits and core offsets.

www.overclock.net

5800X3D Owners

Scroll Down For Gaming Results If Not Interested In Details TLDR: 5800X3D is a monster at gaming, is easily OCd, and runs hot and beats even a tuned 5950x in most games; for general computing the 5800x, and more importantly now, the 5700x trounce it when OCd as well but cannot match it in...
www.overclock.net www.overclock.net

Makes sense and is good news, although the benefits of doing it on this chip seem to be limited.
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I would assume BIOS updates would be needed to enable it, as its not working on many review boards yet

Totally said:
Your arguement makes no sense, it's as if people upgrading from 2xxx or even 1xxx aren't the least bit interested with being wise with their money and will pretend chips that bracket the 5800X3D, the 5600X, 5700X/5800X, and 5900X don't exist. 5800X3D isn't a bad chip but pricing puts in a very awkward spot too expensive for what it offers to make a hard case against 5600X, and expensive enough for the 5900X to be the more logical choice.
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Not just for you, but to everyone else:

Launch prices are always weird. The new products are in demand and priced higher than the older discounted products - give it 6 months and they'll make more sense.
Early adopter tax.
 
Mussels said:
I would assume BIOS updates would be needed to enable it, as its not working on many review boards yet
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I haven't seen any review talk about this :-/

Everyone does state that overclocking is disabled (aka manual multiplier adjustment is locked)

Might have to order one just to find out :-D
 
Seriously good for gaming. At least as good as the 12900K in games, even with strong DDR5 memory. Not much good for anything else, however.
 
mama said:
Seriously good for gaming. At least as good as the 12900K in games, even with strong DDR5 memory. Not much good for anything else, however.
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I probably wouldn't go that far, but I'm guessing a 5700x will have about the same performance as the x3D in everything but gaming. That makes it a $150 premium to have the 'fastest' gaming CPU.

Considering the price of everything else with PC gaming lately, $150 isn't the end of the world.

As much as I didn't care for my 5800x, I'd consider picking this up for a gaming focused build.
 
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