AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Beats Intel Core i9-10980XE by 24% in 3DMark Physics

[ratirt]

CPU is made from silicon, performance also come from silicon, that is whay it's node to node
I don't care about fair or not and yhe sure AMD is winning even if only by a littel I don't say that it's bad
I don't realy care about market, but it's part of what I meen...
you have to understand something important: the reason that AMD is failed now is because intel is failed with 10 nm, which is they own fault
the problem of market as you say is important is this: if intel didn't failed with 10 nm, they skylake architecture would clean the florr with zen
that architecture is what ? 10 years old ? so explain to me how AMD is not a failure ?? zen is faighting (and berely winning) a 10 years old skylake cores made on a node that is twice as big

it mybe not entirely relevant but I wanne add something else to the explain, it might help understand what I meen: look at AMD video cards, failed right ?
but you say failed because the card is failed, but what if the card didn't failed and would clean the florr with 2080 ti ? that would still not be a good compare either, becuase the 14 nm is not compare to 7 nm, and the big problem of market ? is that when nvidea come out with a 7 nm version of they own - that can kill the AMD cards easy....

same CPU: right now AMD wins and I have no problem with that. the possible danger to that is when intel come up with 10 nm version of the skylake cores or whatever they have in design for 10 nm right now.... what my point ? the problem is that zen, as architecture is not superior to skylake (or haswell which is the same thing only DDR3 that's all), the diffrence is that I look at architecture not the whole CPU as you do, and in term of zen architecture, thare is nothing worth to mention: it just equal to skylake more or less in term of performance and skylake is a historic architecture

Dude I don't understand what you are saying really.
And this

you have to understand something important: the reason that AMD is failed now is because intel is failed with 10 nm, which is they own fault

this statement is just crazy. AMD failed with Ryzen because Intel faild with 10nm? I have no idea what you are trying to say man.
You are delusional with what you are saying or you don't know how to express yourself correctly. AMD is far from failing and nodes has nothing to do with it. Besides 7nm is a fresh node and it is immature. It needs time to get better. Intel's 14nm+++++ (not sure how many +) can be be a bit better now but it is maxed out actually. 7nm still have room to improve and that's the difference with different node mainly.

BTW. It is not just the node it is also the architecture. You don't compare node to node for performance because the CPU as a complex design can't be compared only by one variable.
You can have the greatest node, the smallest and you can still fail if other aspects of the CPU design are not in place.
So again
No, you don't compare node to node to determine the performance advantage of a product. You compare CPU to CPU which is a complete product which uses a node, specific architecture, instructions sets. The node itself can give better future perspective for improvement when matured. I hope this makes sens.
This isn't about Video Cards and honestly I don't understand what you are trying to say. Maybe others do ??

 

[Manoa]

ok, simple: I am saying skylake core is history exist for 10 years (it's haswell with DDR4 memory), the (small) win against it (with zen) may not be a win at all: this win might be temporary only...AMD crate a new architecture that is barely faighting a history architecture that is a whole node behind.... that is what I saying and in the long term this could become a problem

 

[ratirt]

ok, simple: I am saying skylake core is history exist for 10 years (it's haswell with DDR4 memory), the (small) win against it (with zen) may not be a win at all: this win might be temporary only...AMD crate a new architecture that is barely faighting a history architecture that is a whole node behind.... that is what I saying and in the long term this could become a problem

Dude. AMD Ryzen is a brand new architecture. Everything is new even the 7nm node and you compare it to a Haswell saying that Intel has an advantage? That's how I get it. Intel didn't do anything major in over 10 years. Nothing. It is basically same old architecture with some improvements. If you look at AMD it is totally something else.
You are looking at this with a crooked mind and telling everyone in this forum that the advantage for Intel is that skylake is the same processor as haswell with DDR4? if that is the case (and i kinda agree) thi is not an advantage. Where is the spirit of innovation and technology advancement? Intel had 10 years to perfect the design for Intel's 14nm +++++++++ node. AMD break the stagnation offering something out of the box new and innovative. It needs time to mature. Look at the gains in performance from Zen 1st gen to 2nd gen Zen and that's only within 2 years time. I think Intel didn't achieve that imrpvement for over 6 years with it's processors and you are saying AMD failed because Skylake (aka Haswell with ddr4 support) still beats it in few frames in certain games?

 

[Manoa]

I know AMD zen is new architecture, and that is exactly the problem :x
I never said there is an advantage for intel
I never said zen performance is bad or that it performance gains are not good
I never say that skylake beats zen
I sure never mentioned the word "frames" in any of my messages, or "games"
I am delusional ? so far only you see things that are not there...

 

[ratirt]

See things that are not there? What are you talking about?
You said

CPU is made from silicon, performance also come from silicon, that is whay it's node to node

Since when performance comes just from silicon? Listen to yourself dude what a bullshit is that?

you have to understand something important: the reason that AMD is failed now is because intel is failed with 10 nm, which is they own fault
the problem of market as you say is important is this: if intel didn't failed with 10 nm, they skylake architecture would clean the florr with zen
that architecture is what ? 10 years old ? so explain to me how AMD is not a failure ?? zen is faighting (and berely winning) a 10 years old skylake cores made on a node that is twice as big

You said AMD failed to deliver better performance than 10 year old "Haswell with DDR4 support ". You are saying AMD failed with 10 year old Intel's architecture. That is what you are saying man. What a crap is that. AMD has a new architecture and new node. It needs time to mature and get to the potential it has in the design. It is not going to happen after few months. Intel's 14nm is maxed out and 10nm is not there yet and delayed for so long.
10nm Skylake? Where is that skylake? Would have cleaned the floor? Open your eyes it is not here and the 10th gen processors being released now and what to they offer? Probably the desktop CPUs will still be 14nm. Open your eyes and look at the facts not what would have happened. 10th gen is just around the corner let's look what it will bring. From the leaks we've all seen basically nothing.
BTW we will see what the 3rd gen Ryzen will be like next year. For now this conversation is over man because you have no idea what you are talking about. You are in denial of everything I say and you deny your own words or you simply write something without knowing the meaning of it.

Who failed is you understanding the facts and what's going on. You fail to comprehend the aspects of the CPUs and technology involved in making these and what they bring to the table. Denial is all you can offer without giving any valuable information, argument or ounce of thought before you write these crap in this forum.

 

[xtreemchaos]

lol im reading the posts and im 57 years of age and nearly half my life ive had guys around me bickering about whats best "amd or intel" come on guys theres more to life , do it really matter ? as long as the cpu dos the job we should all be happy.

 

[Rroucu]

The BEST part of all of this is not the silly age old battle of whos best... It is that every time david whallops goliath with the rock. We pc folks WIN!

The battle has gone on for years and it only pushes the two to develop better cpus and architecture, slashing costs and giving a great boost to the gaming and power user community!

At the very least whether pro intel, or pro amd... folks need to see the big picture and that is simply that the consumer wins when amd rises every 10-15 years or so.

 

[Ubersonic]

And the AMD CPU even used quite slow RAM, so there could be more performance to be had.

Since when is 3200MHz slow? It's the highest JEDEC standard for DDR4, it's literally the fastest DDR4 on the market that isn't factory overclocked, and it's the highest spec RAM that the CPU officially supports.

I agree there could be more performance to be had via RAM overclocking, but the idea 3200MHz is gimping it is a bit rich.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Since when is 3200MHz slow? It's the highest JEDEC standard for DDR4, it's literally the fastest DDR4 on the market that isn't factory overclocked, and it's the highest spec RAM that the CPU officially supports.

I agree there could be more performance to be had via RAM overclocking, but the idea 3200MHz is gimping it is a bit rich.

It's quite slow for Zen 2. I run 3800MHz at 1:1:1 without breaking a sweat with four modules.
3200MHz is admittedly the highest "base" spec, but it's holding back the Zen 2 chips, all of which will happily run with 3600MHz or faster RAM.
And since when has anyone really cared about JEDEC spec when it comes to RAM?

 

[notb]

And since when has anyone really cared about JEDEC spec when it comes to RAM?

OEMs, since forever.
This is one of the reasons why Zen falls behind in laptops and business PCs in general.

 

[TheLostSwede]

OEMs, since forever.
This is one of the reasons why Zen falls behind in laptops and business PCs in general.

Well, yes, but this isn't a forum for OEMs, is it?

 

[notb]

Well, yes, but this isn't a forum for OEMs, is it?

It's not a forum for OEMs, but it is a forum that discusses OEM PCs (and OEM market).
So I'd say it's quite relevant.

 

[EarthDog]

*Moves goal posts back........lol.

Looks at my own avatar.. giggles, moves on.

 

[Ubersonic]

It's quite slow for Zen 2.

It was a rhetorical question, it isn't slow by any standard. You may as well argue that they were gimping the 3900X by not using LN2 to overclock it to 5GHz, it's just as silly an argument.

I run 3800MHz at 1:1:1 without breaking a sweat with four modules.

That's cool (seriously) but most people don't, hell most 3900X owners don't even use RAM as fast as 3200MHz let alone OC to 3800MHz.

 

[notb]

That's cool (seriously) but most people don't, hell most 3900X owners don't even use RAM as fast as 3200MHz let alone OC to 3800MHz.

I wouldn't be so sure. Most current 3900X users are the kind of people who visit forums like this one.
And it's fine as long as AMD aims at 10% market share of DIY gamers etc.

But yeah... considering they plan to go mainstream, more and more of their clients will pair Zen with RAM slower than what is usually used in reviews.

Furthermore, since some Zen CPUs are ECC certified and will be used with ECC RAM, it's worth noting that it's (AFAIK) up to DDR4-2666 for now.

 

[TheLostSwede]

That's cool (seriously) but most people don't, hell most 3900X owners don't even use RAM as fast as 3200MHz let alone OC to 3800MHz.

Who are these "most"? Obviously I can just go by users here and a few other forums and I would say 85-90% of people on TPU use 3600MHz or faster RAM with their Ryzen 3000 CPUs, with similar numbers elsewhere. It's not even considered fast RAM these days.

 

[SaLaDiN666]

Slower ram on Intel and Skylake-x refresh which is notoriously known for being too slow in these sets of benchmarks and anything gaming related in general.

The AMD will be quicker IRL but not that much.

 

[madskillz]

not everybody that buys a HEDT chip runs it overclocked after testing,
we all just install, overclock to limits. then set it back to stock settings and overclock it only when needed.
its stupid to run a premium chip on a 100% OC utilization and let it burn out earlier.

 

[Arc1t3ct]

I was an intel user and I'm now switching to a 3950X mini itx for my CAD workstation needs. What's interesting to me is that the upgrade path is pretty clear. The ryzen 4000 series is 6-7 months away and will be backwards compatible. How awesome is that?