AMD Ryzen 9 7950X

[AusWolf]

Good morning.
Regarding the problem of slow boot up, is there currently any motherboard more suitable for 7950X CPU or should we wait for AGESA bios update that can improve the boot performance?
Thank you and merry Christmas to all.

The newest BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.4 transformed my motherboard from an unusable mess that even had issues POSTing properly into a quite decent board.

If you're just about to buy one, I'd suggest looking at the BIOS update page for that specific board, and see if it has AGESA 1.0.0.4 already.

Merry Christmas to you too!

 

[DMD]

The newest BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.4 transformed my motherboard from an unusable mess that even had issues POSTing properly into a quite decent board.

If you're just about to buy one, I'd suggest looking at the BIOS update page for that specific board, and see if it has AGESA 1.0.0.4 already.

Merry Christmas to you too!

Thanks for the advice.
I saw in the specifications of the two motherboards I am interested in:
Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING and Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE
In the latest BIOS version it shows: "Update AMD AGESA 1.0.0.3 Patch A to D"

 

[AusWolf]

Thanks for the advice.
I saw in the specifications of the two motherboards I am interested in:
Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING and Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE
In the latest BIOS version it shows: "Update AMD AGESA 1.0.0.3 Patch A to D"

Those boards are more expensive and better made than mine (I have an MSi Pro B650M-A Wifi), so you should be okay, I think.

Edit: What RAM do you want to use? That's the most important factor that influences boot speed.

 

[Mussels]

Good morning.
Regarding the problem of slow boot up, is there currently any motherboard more suitable for 7950X CPU or should we wait for AGESA bios update that can improve the boot performance?
Thank you and merry Christmas to all.

RAM seems to be a big part of the issues, with the higher speed kits being more likely to have slow-downs and problems

Nothings guaranteed as things keep improving with BIOS and AGESA updates, but finding what users are happy with on that specific board you chose would be wise

 

[DMD]

Those boards are more expensive and better made than mine (I have an MSi Pro B650M-A Wifi), so you should be okay, I think.

Edit: What RAM do you want to use? That's the most important factor that influences boot speed.

I am already in possession of 2 stik G.SKILL Flare X5 32GB Kit DDR5-6000 CL32 (F5-6000J3238F16GX2-FX5)
Can I make them work at a lower frequency with Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING motherboard?
Thank you and Merry Christmas

 

[AusWolf]

I am already in possession of 2 stik G.SKILL Flare X5 32GB Kit DDR5-6000 CL32 (F5-6000J3238F16GX2-FX5)
Can I make them work at a lower frequency with Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING motherboard?
Thank you and Merry Christmas

A 32 GB stick of 6000 MHz RAM should work. If it doesn't, running at a lower speed is always an option. You don't have to stick to SPD settings, you can also make your own - but I don't think you'll have to.

Merry Christmas to you too!

 

[Mussels]

I am already in possession of 2 stik G.SKILL Flare X5 32GB Kit DDR5-6000 CL32 (F5-6000J3238F16GX2-FX5)
Can I make them work at a lower frequency with Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING motherboard?
Thank you and Merry Christmas

Easily.
Simplest option is to just enable XMP, and if you have issues, clear CMOS and try again - but lower the speed after enabling XMP (so 5800, 5600, 5400 etc) until it's stable

 

[Ravenas]

Interestingly enough, I've lowered the TDP of this chip way down at ~ 70 W. I'm getting 5950X performance for almost half the power of the 5950X. I don't recall me being able to do this in past chips I've owned, pretty awesome.

 

[Mussels]

Interestingly enough, I've lowered the TDP of this chip way down at ~ 70 W. I'm getting 5950X performance for almost half the power of the 5950X. I don't recall me being able to do this in past chips I've owned, pretty awesome.

Zen3 and Zen4 are really efficient - except for stock multi threaded performance where they pushed them too far to compete with intel in benchmarks, harming the general use experience

99% of people are better off with the non-X chips or eco mode and loving life without the heat issues

 

[AusWolf]

Zen3 and Zen4 are really efficient - except for stock multi threaded performance where they pushed them too far to compete with intel in benchmarks, harming the general use experience

99% of people are better off with the non-X chips or eco mode and loving life without the heat issues

Those people (myself included) don't need constant multi-core performance, so won't see any heat issues even at stock.

I've just finished God of War, and my 7700X barely ever touched 50 °C with a 280 mm AIO at bone stock settings, PBO and EXPO enabled. I admit, I had a 60 FPS cap, though.

 

[Mussels]

Those people (myself included) don't need constant multi-core performance, so won't see any heat issues even at stock.

I've just finished God of War, and my 7700X barely ever touched 50 °C with a 280 mm AIO at bone stock settings, PBO and EXPO enabled. I admit, I had a 60 FPS cap, though.

The one i set up for curvy cans will be used for animation and rendering, with VR gaming on the side
seeing 85C in a torture test of a U12S is glorious, the things silent and well within happy temps at all times - no AIO needed at all


Give it a few BIOS revisions and we'll work on CO or PBO, next up we're doing a curve on the 4090 to prevent el'melto

 

[AusWolf]

The one i set up for curvy cans will be used for animation and rendering, with VR gaming on the side
seeing 85C in a torture test of a U12S is glorious, the things silent and well within happy temps at all times - no AIO needed at all


Give it a few BIOS revisions and we'll work on CO or PBO, next up we're doing a curve on the 4090 to prevent el'melto

Nice work.

For now, the best solution I've found with my AIO is 0 rpm until 50 °C, then a sharp increase all the way to 100% at 90 °C. This way, it is super silent in games with convection and my other case fans taking care of the minimal heat, but also relatively well-cooled when things get going. I also set my fans to ramp up very fast, but ramp down super slow, so I don't have to worry about the fans turning up and down all the time.

 

[Mussels]

Nice work.

For now, the best solution I've found with my AIO is 0 rpm until 50 °C, then a sharp increase all the way to 100% at 90 °C. This way, it is super silent in games with convection and my other case fans taking care of the minimal heat, but also relatively well-cooled when things get going. I also set my fans to ramp up very fast, but ramp down super slow, so I don't have to worry about the fans turning up and down all the time.

I do it very differently to that - all fans are set at the highest speed that i can barely hear them at, and then locked there

CPU specific ones can have an emergency setting on the curve to speed up at 85c+ but thats it - i don't deal with varying noise

 

[AusWolf]

I do it very differently to that - all fans are set at the highest speed that i can barely hear them at, and then locked there

CPU specific ones can have an emergency setting on the curve to speed up at 85c+ but thats it - i don't deal with varying noise

I could stand by that too. Usually, it's fans ramping up and down that people find annoying, not a constant noise.

It's only that I don't usually put my CPU under a full load, so being at, or close to 0 rpm is good enough for me 99% of the time.

 

[Mussels]

I could stand by that too. Usually, it's fans ramping up and down that people find annoying, not a constant noise.

It's only that I don't usually put my CPU under a full load, so being at, or close to 0 rpm is good enough for me 99% of the time.

5800x at stock with its "hey i'm 40c now i'm 70c haha now i'm 45c' by wiggling a mouse or having icue installed taught me to never rely on temp sensor based fan speeds ever again

 

[AusWolf]

5800x at stock with its "hey i'm 40c now i'm 70c haha now i'm 45c' by wiggling a mouse or having icue installed taught me to never rely on temp sensor based fan speeds ever again

Fair enough. That's why I have the very slow ramp time, so that these quick "hey, 40 c, hey now 70 c" changes don't get picked up.

 

[Ravenas]

Zen3 and Zen4 are really efficient - except for stock multi threaded performance where they pushed them too far to compete with intel in benchmarks, harming the general use experience

99% of people are better off with the non-X chips or eco mode and loving life without the heat issues

I like the idea of energy efficiency focus, instead of using the die shrink to enable more power.

The differences in FPS 7950X and 5950X at 4K is very minimal because typically those games aren’t not CPU limited at 4K. However, the difference between the energy efficiency gained equates to like for like performance at lower costs, equating to less $/gaming hr.

I guess $/gaming hour doesn’t make headlines, but I for one like saving money without a performance hit after upgrading from 5950x.

 

[Mussels]

I like the idea of energy efficiency focus, instead of using the die shrink to enable more power.

The differences in FPS 7950X and 5950X at 4K is very minimal because typically those games aren’t not CPU limited at 4K. However, the difference between the energy efficiency gained equates to like for like performance at lower costs, equating to less $/gaming hr.

I guess $/gaming hour doesn’t make headlines, but I for one like saving money without a performance hit after upgrading from 5950x.

I send w1zzard secret love letters every year for including wattage per frame results in his reviews
getting 95% (or better) the performance with 1/2 (or less) the wattage means you get a cheaper, quieter system in the end

I could slap my 5800x3D on air and dedicate my entire loop to the 3090, and that'd genuinely be a benefit to my setup with how low wattage the CPU is - not letting the GPU pre-heat it

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I could slap my 5800x3D on air and dedicate my entire loop to the 3090, and that'd genuinely be a benefit to my setup with how low wattage the CPU is - not letting the GPU pre-heat it

Reversing the flow could be helpful - the X3D preheating it a minimal amount, no real difference to the 3090 but seeing much cooler temps in the CPU.

 

[Mussels]

Reversing the flow could be helpful - the X3D preheating it a minimal amount, no real difference to the 3090 but seeing much cooler temps in the CPU.

doesnt matter after a few moments anyway - fluid temps equalise in gameplay

Even dual radiators cant dump the heat from a 3090 and keep liquid temps at or near ambient