AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[purecain]

I never use the igp and it would of bumped up the price of the cpu.imo.

I just bought my AMD 1800x. ive had many years using both intel and amd systems, but theres just something about this build that's exciting.

I thought ''new build ,new case, new cooler'' ive even treated myself to a 512gb m.2 nvme drive for the os. ive got to get some new rear shocks on my old jag, an mot and car tax. so I cant purchase the last few parts for a couple of weeks. but I cant wait.

i'm enjoying reading all the owners threads. apart from the odd noob here and there everyone is impressed with their cpu performance. i'd say the enthusiast community is giving ryzen a big thumbs up.

and its nice to know amd wont be releasing an almost identical but slightly faster chipset in 6 months. Intel lost my business when they released kaby lake as their next desk top cpu. complete piss takers imo.

@hat - don't you think an igp would be better integrated into the motherboard chipset other than being on a cpu die.

 

[GoldenX]

That's one point I don't understand, for years enthusiasts has complained about the unnecessary IGP on Intel CPUs, how it takes power and raise temperatures, and also the exorbitant price of the HEDT platform. Now an IGP is absolutely necessary on a half price 6900K competitor. Can't people wait for the APUs?

To me the IGP on the CPU is a good idea, you reduce cost by sharing cache and other resources, and also get better performance by accessing the IMC directly for the VRAM. Now, an option to have a dedicated RAM slot for the IGP would be a nice idea.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The fx series is trash recommending anything that has to do with am3 at this point puts me at a loss for words.

G , dude too much trash , mine will crunch as a server for another 3-5 years before it sees the bin and I had a nice example of this Tonight that's even OT.
So my mate got a Asus b350 prime plus with Corsair 2400 memory (qvl checked by me) and a 1600 and him and my other mate built it behind my back but,,, they had to phone me because they couldn't get an OS to install.
I got it in two ,it was a hdd.
Anyway no problems after that besides one boot fail when I ocd the memory to it's proper running speed, upping it's voltage fixed that , i maybe should have upped the bios first but i did it last.
A benching session then ensued and here's the figures for three mate's pcs.
All using timespy default.
His 1600 @stock with an rx480 @1355 scored
4508gpu 5500cpu and 4450 overall.
My mates i7 950@3.6 with an R9 390 @ 1040 scored
4365gpu 2564cpu and 4336 overall.
My Fx 8350@ 4.8 with 2xrx480 @1400 scored
8640gpu 3444cpu and 7236 overall

He unfortunately had a 5400 HDD, as his OS drive but despite that and the reboots for drivers taking ages i really liked my first go with a RyZen system.
I'm looking forward to having the money at some point for one.

Wow @stock is that a username

 

[trparky]

Now I have to decide which motherboard to get. I have four possible choices...

• ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• ASRock X370 Taichi AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard

All of them seem like decent board but which one... damn, I can't choose. Any advice?

 

[Final_Fighter]

helping my brother setup a new ryzen system. got all the parts together and finishing windows up right now.

Biostar B350gt3 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...13138451&cm_re=b350gt3-_-13-138-451-_-Product

Mushkin Enhanced Redline @2933mhz 17-18-18-18-36 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...20226836&cm_re=mushkin-_-20-226-836-_-Product

Ryzen 5 1600x @ 4.1ghz - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...19113434&cm_re=5_1600x-_-19-113-434-_-Product

Cooler master AIO - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...m_re=coolermaster_lite-_-35-103-236-_-Product

reused his gpu rx480, ssd, case and psu. seems to be going good so far.

 

[Kanan]

Now I have to decide which motherboard to get. I have four possible choices...

• ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• ASRock X370 Taichi AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard

All of them seem like decent board but which one... damn, I can't choose. Any advice?

Taichi is defo the best of those. Read the review from TPU.

 

[eidairaman1]

Now I have to decide which motherboard to get. I have four possible choices...

• ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• ASRock X370 Taichi AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard

All of them seem like decent board but which one... damn, I can't choose. Any advice?

Go to AsRocks site and compare power phases and chokes between the fatality pro and the K 4 and the Taichi.

the b350 platform has way less phases than x370 on most.

Look up reviews for all of those boards for power phases/mosfets/chokes.

That really only matters to overclockers

 

[trparky]

So I was playing in CPUz and my Single-Thread and Multi-Thread numbers for my Core i5 3570k CPU are 355 and 1438 respectively. I then pulled up the numbers for R7 1700x and they are 370 and 4200 respectively. Single threaded numbers appear to be not that much of a boost but of course these are synthetic benchmark numbers, they don't show the real world performance differences that one is going to see from one CPU to another.

In terms of real-world performance when running Windows and games am I going to see that much of a performance increase or should I wait another year and get Ryzen v2.0?

I don't want to waste money on a build on which I won't see that much of a performance increase.

 

[r9]

So I was playing in CPUz and my Single-Thread and Multi-Thread numbers for my Core i5 3570k CPU are 355 and 1438 respectively. I then pulled up the numbers for R7 1700x and they are 370 and 4200 respectively. Single threaded numbers appear to be not that much of a boost but of course these are synthetic benchmark numbers, they don't show the real world performance differences that one is going to see from one CPU to another.

In terms of real-world performance when running Windows and games am I going to see that much of a performance increase or should I wait another year and get Ryzen v2.0?

I don't want to waste money on a build on which I won't see that much of a performance increase.

Waiting always pays dividends, but one can wait for so long .
You can always OC the CPU and upgrade the GPU and that should hold you for a while, depending on the expectations.
Be wary of the upgrade bug .

 

[Final_Fighter]

So I was playing in CPUz and my Single-Thread and Multi-Thread numbers for my Core i5 3570k CPU are 355 and 1438 respectively. I then pulled up the numbers for R7 1700x and they are 370 and 4200 respectively. Single threaded numbers appear to be not that much of a boost but of course these are synthetic benchmark numbers, they don't show the real world performance differences that one is going to see from one CPU to another.

In terms of real-world performance when running Windows and games am I going to see that much of a performance increase or should I wait another year and get Ryzen v2.0?

I don't want to waste money on a build on which I won't see that much of a performance increase.

with your setup i would overclock. my i5 3570k@4.6ghz is as fast in single thread using cpuz as my brothers new ryzen 5 1600x@4.1ghz. his stomps mine in multi thread tho. if you are not doing anything that needs the extra threads i would hold off on upgrading.

 

[trparky]

Yeah the upgrade bug has a hold on me. I just keep asking myself if it will be worth it or not. No wonder why the PC industry is in a slump, there's no real reason to upgrade unless you're really into benchmark numbers (which I'm not).

I'm debating on whether or not it would be worth it to upgrade.

As for multithreaded performance I'm a heavy multitasker. I have a lot of programs open at the same time along with Google Chrome with lots of tabs open.

 

[Kanan]

Yeah the upgrade bug has a hold on me. I just keep asking myself if it will be worth it or not. No wonder why the PC industry is in a slump, there's no real reason to upgrade unless you're really into benchmark numbers (which I'm not).

I'm debating on whether or not it would be worth it to upgrade.

As for multithreaded performance I'm a heavy multitasker. I have a lot of programs open at the same time along with Google Chrome with lots of tabs open.

Its really easy, just upgrade when you need it, when the CPU is slowing you down anywhere, whether its games or programs (no not browsing).

 

[trparky]

Well I do use virtual machines often and my system slows to a crawl when I load up a VM.

I kind of made a mistake when I built this system, I should have gone with an i7 as versus an i5 for the added threads.

So if what @Final_Fighter says it's true I have to overclock my chip by a full 1.5 GHz to see performance numbers similar to the R5 1600x.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Well I do use virtual machines often and my system slows to a crawl when I load up a VM.

I kind of made a mistake when I built this system, I should have gone with an i7 as versus an i5 for the added threads.

So if what @Final_Fighter says it's true I have to overclock my chip by a full 1.5 GHz to see performance numbers similar to the R5 1600x.

Not with the scenario you described as you're still limited to your 4 threads, now 6c/12 would be a hell of a lot better

 

[Kanan]

Well I do use virtual machines often and my system slows to a crawl when I load up a VM.

I kind of made a mistake when I built this system, I should have gone with an i7 as versus an i5 for the added threads.

So if what @Final_Fighter says it's true I have to overclock my chip by a full 1.5 GHz to see performance numbers similar to the R5 1600x.

Well then Ryzen is worth the upgrade. I5 is not exactly the best chip for such purposes. Overclock all you want it's no match to an CPU with 6 cores and SMT.

 

[purecain]

there is a real world reason to upgrade imo. 4cores no longer supports AAA titles and streaming. how long before those same cpu's are lacking in other areas. so 4 cores shows its first cracks in the paintwork.

otherwise I wouldn't be upgrading... I have a ryzen 7 1800x in my hands now and I cant wait to swap out my haswell chip. even though haswell is still a rock solid cpu.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Yeah the upgrade bug has a hold on me. I just keep asking myself if it will be worth it or not. No wonder why the PC industry is in a slump, there's no real reason to upgrade unless you're really into benchmark numbers (which I'm not).

I'm debating on whether or not it would be worth it to upgrade.

As for multithreaded performance I'm a heavy multitasker. I have a lot of programs open at the same time along with Google Chrome with lots of tabs open.

do yourself a favour and get an old Xeon...........£ 200,00 gets 12 threads at no lower than 4.0ghz and a mobo.

a nice X5670 like mine, 12 threads at 4.4ghz for £ 60.00 a nice board to go with it is circa £ 130.00

 

[cdawall]

do yourself a favour and get an old Xeon...........£ 200,00 gets 12 threads at no lower than 4.0ghz and a mobo.

a nice X5670 like mine, 12 threads at 4.4ghz for £ 60.00 a nice board to go with it is circa £ 130.00

Those 12 threads aren't exactly the fastest at anything anymore... I would much rather grab a 6 core ryzen at this point.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Those 12 threads aren't exactly the fastest at anything anymore... I would much rather grab a 6 core ryzen at this point.

i know its only one bench

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...s-real-world-performance.232918/#post-3648812

 

[cdawall]

i know its only one bench

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...s-real-world-performance.232918/#post-3648812

What are the clockspeed between both and how many threads does that utilize?

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

mine was at 4.4ghz

 

[cdawall]

So it doesn't load the cores at all... What was the Ryzen chip at?

 

[purecain]

ive had my system delivered and all ive done is look at the boxes..... I'm praying everything works.... its looking like tomorrows going to be the day....

this build is going to be monumental when its finished... i'll start a system build thread for it.... I'm going aio cooling initially as I want to take my time making something a little different.

ive decided to etch the front glass panel as well, that's the only thing that hasn't arrived yet. I may etch the plastic panel as well and keep it out for marketing...

heres a pic of my bits, (you cant see the memory, its g.skill trident rgb 4000mhz pc3200)

 

[infrared]

ive had my system delivered and all ive done is look at the boxes..... I'm praying everything works.... its looking like tomorrows going to be the day....

this build is going to be monumental when its finished... i'll start a system build thread for it.... I'm going aio cooling initially as I want to take my time making something a little different.

ive decided to etch the front glass panel as well, that's the only thing that hasn't arrived yet. I may etch the plastic panel as well and keep it out for marketing...

heres a pic of my bits, (you cant see the memory, its g.skill trident rgb 4000mhz pc3200)

Nice! That's pretty much identical set up to me, so in theory you shouldn't hit any snags. It's a killer combo! When you've got it all going I'd be interested in what you think of the ROG Front base, they look pretty useful. Enjoy the build!

 

[purecain]

I really appreciate that, now I really cant wait...