AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[trparky]

I'm a casual gamer in the sense that my requirements aren't that high. I mainly play Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, and World of Warcraft. Most of my computing is done with heavy multitasking and virtual machine usage. Do you think that Ryzen would be a good chip for my needs?

 

[phanbuey]

I'm a casual gamer in the sense that my requirements aren't that high. I mainly play Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, and World of Warcraft. Most of my computing is done with heavy multitasking and virtual machine usage. Do you think that Ryzen would be a good chip for my needs?

yes

 

[Tatty_Two]

It is sad that some people's focus is on the odd negative's as opposed to the architectural leap and potential, however think about it, that's always the case in Tech forums (sadly) but then again if I had bought a CPU, motherboard and Ram and couldn't get it to work properly I would possibly be a little frustrated, it does appear that a large proportion of issues are motherboard related but there are clearly issues......... blame does not get your system working again, fixes do.

 

[mroofie]

Still waiting

 

[Outback Bronze]

Hey guys,

Does anybody know if wizard will be doing a review of any of the new Ryzen CPU's?

Hopefully he will be including his 4K gaming setup as I have seen very little reviews of the Ryzen CPU playing games at 4K. Its all been 1080p with a few 1440p...

Cheers.

 

[RejZoR]

To my knowledge, someone screwed up their delivery and they are getting the stuff late.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Hey guys,

Does anybody know if wizard will be doing a review of any of the new Ryzen CPU's?

Hopefully he will be including his 4K gaming setup as I have seen very little reviews of the Ryzen CPU playing games at 4K. Its all been 1080p with a few 1440p...

Cheers.

He had to wait for more RAM as I think what he was sent didn't work, last thing I saw from him was he was hopeful it would be done by today or possibly tomorrow, he has also had other reviews to do also, I think the 1080Ti was one of them.

 

[Outback Bronze]

He had to wait for more RAM as I think what he was sent didn't work, last thing I saw from him was he was hopeful it would be done by today or possibly tomorrow, he has also had other reviews to do also, I think the 1080Ti was one of them.

Sweet mate sounds good.

 

[mroofie]

Hope WIzzard will factor in the problems ryzen is facing at the moment (from hardware to software)

There is a possibility that more performance can be tapped in for usage (SIngle threaded performance)



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As I said before Amd should have delayed ryzen for at least another 6-8 months then they would have killed it!

But now Amd has put unnecessary doubt on their current product line
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we need competition in the cpu market

 

[OneCool]

If I know W1z he will definitely give you all the good and bad.
Always has IMO.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Hope WIzzard will factor in the problems ryzen is facing at the moment (from hardware to software)

There is a possibility that more performance can be tapped in for usage (SIngle threaded performance)



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As I said before Amd should have delayed ryzen for at least another 6-8 months then they would have killed it!

But now Amd has put unnecessary doubt on their current product line
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we need competition in the cpu market

Launching a product isn't a simple thing to do for the best of companies and in AMD's case, I think they had to deliver something as soon as they could, as not only did the "enthusiasts" demand something, but also the "market" and AMD's share holders. You can't announce that you have something coming and keep delaying it for too long in today's world, as people will lose interest, the market loses trust and the shareholders lose faith in the company. That's a quick way to go out of business.

So yes, Ryzen has for whatever reason disappointed left, right and centre, even though it seems to be a kickass processor for the money. Yes, the motherboards appear to be super flaky, but as I wrote elsewhere and which seemingly everyone has forgotten about, when the Slot-A Athlon launched, AMD had far worse problems. The chipset was utter shite, they had worse BIOS problems (as in the boards barely booted), the board makers wouldn't put their names on the boards as they were afraid of some kind of payback from Intel, software support was zero, power supply support was limited and it was nearly impossible to buy the thing due to so many shops being afraid of what Intel was going to say.

The situation is far from perfect now, but it's nothing like what it was back then. That time VIA kind of saved AMD by coming out with a decent chipset, something that's unlikely to happen this time around, although it looks like anyone could technically make a chipset for Ryzen, as the three chipsets are fairly basic in terms of what they offer and are in fact not needed to make a working system.

I just hope the motherboard makers get their act together and sort out the UEFI issues as the first priority. Then hopefully they figure out how to build better boards and then we'll see how things pan out.

Keep in mind that Intel has made less than stellar platforms over the years, like the 820 chipset, various "budget" versions of chipsets that were horrible as Intel cut too many features, the wonderful P67 with a bugged SATA interface that died over time and a few other blunders.

Let's not even talk about buggy BIOSes etc. for Intel boards, I have tested a fair share of boards over the years that just weren't production ready, yet were sent out to media for reviews and that's from every board maker and with every combination of chipsets.

No-one's perfect in this industry and the judgement that has gone out on Ryzen before it has even been given a chance feels very mean spirited for no real reason. AMD has really done an amazing job, but most people here should know better than point fingers, as every single tech company has screwed up at one time or another. Yes, the launch could've gone smoother, there could've been fewer issues, but hey, shit happens. And yes, we very much need competition in the x86/x64 CPU market and VIA isn't going to bring it...

 

[Hood]

I wouldn't say mean-spirited - corporations have no soul, cannot feel shame or regret - so this "mean-spirited judgement" is the only way to keep them in check when they blow it (however minor the mistake). History is great to recall, but has no bearing on the present situation. Understanding why they failed to deliver doesn't fix it, or sell hardware. When Intel makes a mistake, it's different - when your products are amazing 95% of the time, people tend to forgive mistakes more easily. But AMD hasn't earned that status - more like, products OK 50% of the time, but low performance/high temps/high power draw, and even the best ones are dodgy at times, so much so that prices remained bargain-basement low for years.. Ryzen is a giant leap ahead in architecture, with good IPC and efficiency, but prices are much higher, and a dodgy flagship part will never succeed. All this sentiment for the underdog and proclamations of "that's unfair" won't change the cold realities of the market.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Why does Intel get a pass when they fuck up monumentally like the P67 chipset, but AMD doesn't get the same? That's a load of tosh imho.

You're clearly not old enough to know what you're talking about, AMD has offered very competitive products in the past and they've been far from "bargain basement", in fact, their top-tier products used to cost more than Intel and they also performed vastly better. In fact, Cyrix used to be better than Intel... In this case, the CPU's seem to be plenty fine to me, the issue appear to be the normal problems AMD have, poor chipsets, poor BIOS/UEFI implementations and not enough commitment from their board partners. This is when shit goes south no matter how good your CPU is.

History matters a lot, but mankind doesn't seem to want to learn from it and that's why we keep repeating our mistakes. In this case, Intel keeps getting cocky and so far, they've been taken down a few pegs every few years. I still think it's utter bull that it's somehow ok to give AMD shit, but you can't say a bad thing about Intel, as they're somehow being glorified as this perfect chip maker, which is a load of crap.

 

[phanbuey]

Why does Intel get a pass when they fuck up monumentally like the P67 chipset, but AMD doesn't get the same? That's a load of tosh imho.

You're clearly not old enough to know what you're talking about, AMD has offered very competitive products in the past and they've been far from "bargain basement", in fact, their top-tier products used to cost more than Intel and they also performed vastly better. In fact, Cyrix used to be better than Intel... In this case, the CPU's seem to be plenty fine to me, the issue appear to be the normal problems AMD have, poor chipsets, poor BIOS/UEFI implementations and not enough commitment from their board partners. This is when shit goes south no matter how good your CPU is.

History matters a lot, but mankind doesn't seem to want to learn from it and that's why we keep repeating our mistakes. In this case, Intel keeps getting cocky and so far, they've been taken down a few pegs every few years. I still think it's utter bull that it's somehow ok to give AMD shit, but you can't say a bad thing about Intel, as they're somehow being glorified as this perfect chip maker, which is a load of crap.

I think that the issue is that AMD didn't give the final product over to the Mobo makers in time which is why the bioses are the way that they are. I would believe this too... seeing as they were in a rush to get it out the door. This CPU is a game changer... I love mine... I almost brought the rig to work today to crunch my sheets lol. But I've already killed a sub par mobo by doing nothing (it just restarted on its own and would not boot up) and the chip is barely a week old.

It is what it is.... Intel is in a better position right now, which is why they get that benefit. And AMD does deserve some shit for their keystone coppishness.

 

[Hood]

Why does Intel get a pass when they fuck up monumentally like the P67 chipset, but AMD doesn't get the same? That's a load of tosh imho.

You're clearly not old enough to know what you're talking about, AMD has offered very competitive products in the past and they've been far from "bargain basement", in fact, their top-tier products used to cost more than Intel and they also performed vastly better. In fact, Cyrix used to be better than Intel... In this case, the CPU's seem to be plenty fine to me, the issue appear to be the normal problems AMD have, poor chipsets, poor BIOS/UEFI implementations and not enough commitment from their board partners. This is when shit goes south no matter how good your CPU is.

History matters a lot, but mankind doesn't seem to want to learn from it and that's why we keep repeating our mistakes. In this case, Intel keeps getting cocky and so far, they've been taken down a few pegs every few years. I still think it's utter bull that it's somehow ok to give AMD shit, but you can't say a bad thing about Intel, as they're somehow being glorified as this perfect chip maker, which is a load of crap.

Yes, history matters. Suppose you bought a series of Yugos back when you were young and poor, they sucked, but somehow you usually made it to work, as long as you kept repairing them. Then, as you got older and made more money, you were finally able to afford a new Corvette. It performed amazingly and you rarely had to repair it. and life was good. Now, the Yugo company has come out with a new model, the Yugo Zen. They claim that it's performance is just below the Corvette, for half the money. Amazed, but still skeptical, you test drive one , and yes, this thing hauls ass! So you buy the new Zen, and on the way home, a wheel fall;s off and the engine catches on fire. Damn, you say, I should have known it was too good to be true - I should have remembered Yugo's history as a piece of crap! So yes, history matters. I am 58 years old, bought my first PC in 2000, built my first PC in 2008 - so I am relatively new to this game. But I know better than to buy a Yugo, no matter what their claims are....

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yes, history matters. Suppose you bought a series of Yugos back when you were young and poor, they sucked, but somehow you usually made it to work, as long as you kept repairing them. Then, as you got older and made more money, you were finally able to afford a new Corvette. It performed amazingly and you rarely had to repair it. and life was good. Now, the Yugo company has come out with a new model, the Yugo Zen. They claim that it's performance is just below the Corvette, for half the money. Amazed, but still skeptical, you test drive one , and yes, this thing hauls ass! So you buy the new Zen, and on the way home, a wheel fall;s off and the engine catches on fire. Damn, you say, I should have known it was too good to be true - I should have remembered Yugo's history as a piece of crap! So yes, history matters. I am 58 years old, bought my first PC in 2000, built my first PC in 2008 - so I am relatively new to this game. But I know better than to buy a Yugo, no matter what their claims are....

You are daft I had a Yugo, I never had to fix it once, they were tanks.

Soooo.
So back in ,Windows 10 has scheduling issues with RyZen , over stating an smt core as a full core whereas Intel's are noted by software as a light core.
Hey presto then , when GPU limited RyZen ain't bad , in some CPU limited situations (1080p) we have a possible culprit but likely at least part of the issue , I'd love to see some 1080p runs with smt off though it would indicate the validity of this theory.
Yes I read wccftech I read them all and mad German and Chinese sites so what, I'm only in One forum ,Tpu.

 

[Hood]

You are daft I had a Yugo, I never had to fix it once, they were tanks

Maybe in the UK, Yugo is considered to be a "tank"; in the US it's considered synonymous with the worst possible quality, as in, "Don't buy that Emerson TV from K-Mart, those are the Yugos of the TV world, get a Samsung instead"... As an auto mechanic for the last 36 years, I can attest that they are poorly made crap with flawed engineering, and there' a good reason we never see them on the road (they have all been crushed in the scrapyards years ago). That's in America, though, for all I know there's still thousands of them running around Europe - they stopped selling them here in 1992 due to U.N. sanctions.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yes, history matters. Suppose you bought a series of Yugos back when you were young and poor, they sucked, but somehow you usually made it to work, as long as you kept repairing them. Then, as you got older and made more money, you were finally able to afford a new Corvette. It performed amazingly and you rarely had to repair it. and life was good. Now, the Yugo company has come out with a new model, the Yugo Zen. They claim that it's performance is just below the Corvette, for half the money. Amazed, but still skeptical, you test drive one , and yes, this thing hauls ass! So you buy the new Zen, and on the way home, a wheel fall;s off and the engine catches on fire. Damn, you say, I should have known it was too good to be true - I should have remembered Yugo's history as a piece of crap! So yes, history matters. I am 58 years old, bought my first PC in 2000, built my first PC in 2008 - so I am relatively new to this game. But I know better than to buy a Yugo, no matter what their claims are....

Right, so you missed a lot if you only started in 2000. Via was the Yugo if any company was, as well as Cyrix, AMD was more of a Volkswagen in your comparison. Intel might be a Corvette, a great car for driving fast in straight lines, but it hasn't really improved in years.

 

[the54thvoid]

Maybe in the UK, Yugo is considered to be a "tank"; in the US it's considered synonymous with the worst possible quality, as in, "Don't buy that Emerson TV from K-Mart, those are the Yugos of the TV world, get a Samsung instead"... As an auto mechanic for the last 36 years, I can attest that they are poorly made crap with flawed engineering, and there' a good reason we never see them on the road (they have all been crushed in the scrapyards years ago). That's in America, though, for all I know there's still thousands of them running around Europe - they stopped selling them here in 1992 due to U.N. sanctions.

Don't listen to him. Yugo's were considered a serious downgrade from a Lada. In the UK, they were not considered tanks. They were also exceptionally rare (because they were shit). We might drink tea and spell colour correctly but we're not bad with motor cars.


And please - not with the car analogies - a CPU is not anything like a car - you may as well compare them to TV's.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So back in ,Windows 10 has scheduling issues with RyZen , over stating an smt core as a full core whereas Intel's are noted by software as a light core.
Hey presto then , when GPU limited RyZen ain't bad , in some CPU limited situations (1080p) we have a possible culprit but likely at least part of the issue , I'd love to see some 1080p runs with smt off though it would indicate the validity of this theory.
Yes I read wccftech I read them all and mad German and Chinese sites so what, I'm only in One forum ,Tpu.

Well dodged hood try again

 

[phanbuey]

So back in ,Windows 10 has scheduling issues with RyZen , over stating an smt core as a full core whereas Intel's are noted by software as a light core.
Hey presto then , when GPU limited RyZen ain't bad , in some CPU limited situations (1080p) we have a possible culprit but likely at least part of the issue , I'd love to see some 1080p runs with smt off though it would indicate the validity of this theory.
Yes I read wccftech I read them all and mad German and Chinese sites so what, I'm only in One forum ,Tpu.

Well dodged hood try again

- performance power profile (use now)
- SMT patch (pending)
- Faster 3600Mhz - 4000Mhz Memory (use now)
- Tweak to cache latency (future chip designs)
- Updated mobo microcode to provide higher OC (potential)

I am also going to try to use process lasso to see if it makes a difference.

 

[Hood]

Right, so you missed a lot if you only started in 2000. Via was the Yugo if any company was, as well as Cyrix, AMD was more of a Volkswagen in your comparison. Intel might be a Corvette, a great car for driving fast in straight lines, but it hasn't really improved in years.

I did build one AMD system, in 2013, when APUs were on the hype train, (A8-6600k, Asus A88XM-A, 8GB 1600 RAM). It ran slow, like my old Pentium 4, (but with better graphics), and was buggy with bad motherboard driver/BIOS support (yes, even Asus drops the ball sometimes, on their $75 AMD boards). I sold that dog as soon as possible, and vowed to quit letting my curiosity get the better of my common sense. Forward to 2017, and I really hoped that Ryzen would be different, and it is much better, but it's also more of the same old problem (buggy chipsets, drivers, and firmware, poor compatibility, iffy hardware validation). I'm disappointed, but not really surprised. I might never buy one, but I was hoping for it's success, (as we all were) to level the field and bring prices down.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I did build one AMD system, in 2013, when APUs were on the hype train, (A8-6600k, Asus A88XM-A, 8GB 1600 RAM). It ran slow, like my old Pentium 4, (but with better graphics), and was buggy with bad motherboard driver/BIOS support (yes, even Asus drops the ball sometimes, on their $75 AMD boards). I sold that dog as soon as possible, and vowed to quit letting my curiosity get the better of my common sense. Forward to 2017, and I really hoped that Ryzen would be different, and it is much better, but it's also more of the same old problem (buggy chipsets, drivers, and firmware, poor compatibility, iffy hardware validation). I'm disappointed, but not really surprised. I might never buy one, but I was hoping for it's success, (as we all were) to level the field and bring prices down.

Now your strictly chatting rubbish unless that is you work at AMD, I've had two AMD full systems and three Intel systems in the last five years personally and had no issues with either I couldn't fix easily.
I am not bothered though you have your opinion I think something different ah well.
I built a a8 pc for my cousin with a 7870 , he still loves it.

Your into drama about tech you Don't want then, now you have me chuckling.

 

[kruk]

It ran slow, like my old Pentium 4.

How about no: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/92?vs=1282
And that is one of the last (and probably fastest) Pentium 4 generations that was built.

 

[Tatty_Two]

How about no: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/92?vs=1282
And that is one of the last (and probably fastest) Pentium 4 generations that was built.

Your trying to change the mind of one that's already made up, logic no longer counts, don't waste energy, he has his experiences and is allowed to have his opinion, let him keep them, I am past extending energy to lost causes, at the end of the day it does not really matter, its only silicon after all