AMD Ryzen Memory Analysis: 20 Apps & 17 Games, up to 4K

[medi01]

because

Welp

 

[Vayra86]

Welp

Welp take a critical look and you see 82 C versus 72 C and a significant clock difference while the cooler card has 4 fps over the hotter one that runs a higher clock.

Smells like awesome youtubers doing 'research'...

 

[medi01]

Welp take a critical look and you see 82 C versus 72 C

Welp
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5z9weg/amd_confirms_20c_offset_thermal_reading_bug/

 

[Aenra]

What a man my age thinks reading the last pages:

- Two..three? People 'stuck' in a conversation that leads nowehere. But at it nonetheless.
- An entire market of people somehow -convinced- comparing an 8core to a second generation 4core is.. logical? Productive?

But please carry on

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Welp
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5z9weg/amd_confirms_20c_offset_thermal_reading_bug/

That refers to the CPU temperature. No the GPU. In your screenshot, the GPU's are running at different clock speeds likely due to the drastic temp difference. One of these things is not like the other.

 

[Relayer]

You do realize that out of the box, Intel only has 3 chips with a clock speed higher than 4.0 GHz right? That would be the infamous 7700K and the recent i3 7350K and i3 7320. So yes it is not only 100% acceptable, its 99.9% of the market normal. 4.1 GHz being a brick wall for even the best binned chips is an issue (short of LN2 cooling) that needs to be addressed. Flaw it is not. They built a brand new chip, on a brand new architecture, with brand new tech, and old tech they have never used before. We are lucky then got to the 4.0 GHz. You clearly just want to call something a flaw so have at it man, but you are off base.

Amazing the people who think that a quad core for more money is a better value than the R7 1700 because it's faster in some games, but slower in virtually everything else. Also amazing that AMD actually beats the hype and over delivers on their promises and some people still can't find anything to be impressed about because of the aforementioned game results.

Anyone remember the quad core vs dual core debates from the past? Lots of people made the wrong decision back then too. Why don't people learn?

 

[EarthDog]

You do realize that out of the box, Intel only has 3 chips with a clock speed higher than 4.0 GHz right? That would be the infamous 7700K and the recent i3 7350K and i3 7320. So yes it is not only 100% acceptable, its 99.9% of the market normal. 4.1 GHz being a brick wall for even the best binned chips is an issue (short of LN2 cooling) that needs to be addressed. Flaw it is not. They built a brand new chip, on a brand new architecture, with brand new tech, and old tech they have never used before. We are lucky then got to the 4.0 GHz. You clearly just want to call something a flaw so have at it man, but you are off base.

i agree with your underlying point...

However....4790k was 4ghz.

Next, all those chips (that can) overclock a lot more than their own boost with all cores like ryzen. I wouldnt call it a flaw either, but a pretty big disappointment to the enthusiast/overclocking crowd, agreed. Really, most dont overclock at all (i dont consider all cores at XFR overclocking). I hope they can hit 4.5ghz+ at some point in their lifecycle.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Welp
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5z9weg/amd_confirms_20c_offset_thermal_reading_bug/

Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[Relayer]

i agree with your underlying point...

However....4790k was 4ghz.

Next, all those chips (that can) overclock a lot more than their own boost with all cores like ryzen. I wouldnt call it a flaw either, but a pretty big disappointment to the enthusiast/overclocking crowd, agreed. Really, most dont overclock at all (i dont consider all cores at XFR overclocking). I hope they can hit 4.5ghz+ at some point in their lifecycle.

Intel still has the superior process and fabs don't they? Not much AMD can do about that.

 

[medi01]

That refers to the CPU temperature. No the GPU. In your screenshot, the GPU's are running at different clock speeds likely due to the drastic temp difference. One of these things is not like the other.

I see, here is the same thing in motion:

Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you.

Honestly, I find it flattering.

 

[Vayra86]

I see, here is the same thing in motion:

Honestly, I find it flattering.

To each their own, I guess

Look through the whole thing and you can see alarm bells left and right.
- 1440p Ultra, sub 60 FPS gameplay, GPU limited, is precisely what is NOT interesting to see. CPU load tops out at 90% on a single core.
- 99% GPU load makes this not a CPU test by design
- Streaming and online during a CPU test (LOL)
- GPU load is all over the place, showing as low as 50% at times on either system, and I see Early Access bottom of screen. Game not only looks like shit, but it runs badly.

Should I go on? I will tell you this: if this is how you form your opinions, don't tire us with them please

 

[medi01]

us

You, perhaps, should list "us", so that I know whom not to "tire".

 

[EarthDog]

We need a bird catcher... red herring just landed.

 

[Super XP]

I know, I know. Still it's a flaw when a interconnect between CPU's is so narrow that you have to overclock the Ram to get better performance ("better" not saying "full"). The low clock speed is another flaw, low clocks isn't something acceptable these days, every other architecture (including FX) has high clocks out of the box or is overclockable to 4.5 - 5 GHz (eg. Core architecture, entire line). I'm sure both flaws are well known at AMD and are right now worked on.

Ryzen's clock speed has absolutely nothing to do with there precious FX generation nor what Intel has out to date, which is 7-8 Generations mature.
We are talking about a completely new Micro- Architecture. Sure higher clocks benefit a Central Processing Unit.

Do you remember the Legendary Athlon 64? Clocked 1,000 MHz lower over the P4. But performed Faster. Different designs equal clock speed irrelevance.

Ryzen has Zero Flaws. It's Brand New. Talk to me when it's a couple generations mature. In the meantime, optimizations and motherboard Bios updates will continue to enhance it.

 

[Super XP]

http://semiaccurate.com/2017/01/19/amd-infinity-fabric-underpins-everything-will-make/

Infinity Fabric is AMD's secret Weapon.

 

[Kanan]

You do realize that out of the box, Intel only has 3 chips with a clock speed higher than 4.0 GHz right? That would be the infamous 7700K and the recent i3 7350K and i3 7320. So yes it is not only 100% acceptable, its 99.9% of the market normal. 4.1 GHz being a brick wall for even the best binned chips is an issue (short of LN2 cooling) that needs to be addressed. Flaw it is not. They built a brand new chip, on a brand new architecture, with brand new tech, and old tech they have never used before. We are lucky then got to the 4.0 GHz. You clearly just want to call something a flaw so have at it man, but you are off base.

By my definition, which makes easily more sense (or any) compared to yours, it is a flaw. High MHz is needed for highend gaming, and there Ryzen isn't capable of doing the job, yes, compared to 7700K or compared to ANY Intel CPU that can be overclocked (you also failed to understand me, so I repeated it). Your behaviour strikes me as biased anyway. It is a obvious flaw, and many reviewers have called it exactly that. AMD themselves have accepted it and are working on it (that and the CCX shortcomings, and general optimization, IPC etc.).

 

[Super XP]

By my definition, which makes easily more sense (or any) compared to yours, it is a flaw. High MHz is needed for highend gaming, and there Ryzen isn't capable of doing the job, yes, compared to 7700K or compared to ANY Intel CPU that can be overclocked (you also failed to understand me, so I repeated it). Your behaviour strikes me as biased anyway. It is a obvious flaw, and many reviewers have called it exactly that. AMD themselves have accepted it and are working on it (that and the CCX shortcomings, and general optimization, IPC etc.).

FYI, Ryzen is the best Gaming CPU out to date. Because it beats Intel in 90% of Benchmarks.
Any game you play with Ryzen guarantees you Smooth Gaming. The 7700k causes in game stuttering. Lol

 

[TheLaughingMan]

By my definition, which makes easily more sense (or any) compared to yours, it is a flaw. High MHz is needed for highend gaming, and there Ryzen isn't capable of doing the job, yes, compared to 7700K or compared to ANY Intel CPU that can be overclocked (you also failed to understand me, so I repeated it). Your behavior strikes me as biased anyway. It is a obvious flaw, and many reviewers have called it exactly that. AMD themselves have accepted it and are working on it (that and the CCX shortcomings, and general optimization, IPC etc.).

You special. Did you read the review? Did you look at any of Wiz's graphs from the 1600X? Show me where Ryzen is completely incapable of "high-end" game. I really want to know. And now one I have seen or heard of has called the clock speed a flaw. disappointed, lack of headroom, will get better next generation, etc. Not one "this is a flaw" So educate me on your point show me someone calling it a flaw. Please.

 

[Kanan]

You special. Did you read the review? Did you look at any of Wiz's graphs from the 1600X? Show me where Ryzen is completely incapable of "high-end" game. I really want to know. And now one I have seen or heard of has called the clock speed a flaw. disappointed, lack of headroom, will get better next generation, etc. Not one "this is a flaw" So educate me on your point show me someone calling it a flaw. Please.

Nobody said it's "completely incapable of high-end gaming" - you're still overreacting or having problems properly reading my posts / understanding me. Your bias is ever so clear again, it's the 2nd or 3rd time now that you're overreacting and not understanding my point.

It is a flaw, I already described why. Go and read some more reviews, especially ones with a lot of game benches in it, educate yourself and don't bother me again. Won't waste my time here again. You can also believe whatever you want, I'm not on these forums to educate obvious fanboys. Those are unteachable anyway. Byebye

/unsub

 

[Super XP]

Nobody said it's "completely incapable of high-end gaming" - you're still overreacting or having problems properly reading my posts / understanding me. Your bias is ever so clear again, it's the 2nd or 3rd time now that you're overreacting and not understanding my point.

It is a flaw, I already described why. Go and read some more reviews, especially ones with a lot of game benches in it, educate yourself and don't bother me again. Won't waste my time here again. You can also believe whatever you want, I'm not on these forums to educate obvious fanboys. Those are unteachable anyway. Byebye

Claiming ZEN is a flaw is simply your opinion, nothing more. You do not provide fact based info, just opinion. So there you have it.
In the meantime.....

 

[Vayra86]

You, perhaps, should list "us", so that I know whom not to "tire".

Look at the people who thanked my post, gives you a solid idea I reckon. The real message here was: do some source checking and develop a more critical stance if you want to actually make statements. It allows us to discuss things for what they are, much more informative.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Nobody said it's "completely incapable of high-end gaming"/unsub

You did. You said that. Now I don't believe you read your own comment. I will repost it...without the disrespect and obvious trolling parts though.

High MHz is needed for highend gaming, and there Ryzen isn't capable of doing the job, yes, compared to 7700K or compared to ANY Intel CPU that can be overclocked

And I am done giving you the attention you want. Take your own advise on this one and read a review or 10.

 

[YautjaLord]

R7 1800X/1700X/1700 & R5 1600X/1500X/1500 + 2x8GB DDR4 4000MHz RAM scaling review/test should be all good n valid. Gigabyte released AGESA update for GA-AX370-Gaming-K7 (F3, non-Beta EFI update). Actually changed from F3b to just F3. Next logical step is for AMD to send few more samples for MB vendors so that the guys will test & validate DDR4 with 4000MHz frequency & above, f*ckload of time till July/August for them AMDz to do that. My 2 cents/pennies/agoras/etc.....