AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9975WX and 9965WX Powered by "Zen 5" Surface

[btarunr]

We've known for a while now that AMD is preparing a comprehensive lineup of HEDT and workstation processors powered by the "Zen 5" microarchitecture under the Ryzen Threadripper 9000WX series, codenamed "Shimada Peak." Engineering samples of these chips are moving around for industry and regulatory validation, and so they're being sniffed out in shipping manifests by NBD. Among the models detected are entry-level SKUs, the Threadripper 9975WX and the Threadripper 9965WX. The 9975WX is a 32-core/64-thread part; while the 9965WX is 24-core/48-thread. Both chips feature regular "Zen 5" CCDs with 32 MB on-die L3 caches, each. As a WX-series SKU, the chips are expected to come with 8-channel DDR5 memory interfaces and 128 PCIe Gen 5 lanes.



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[mtosev]

I'm very interested in getting a new Threadripper HEDT cpu. I'd get the 24 core version.

 

[Assimilator]

I'm very interested in getting a new Threadripper HEDT cpu. I'd get the 24 core version.

Good luck selling various body parts to afford it.

 

[docnorth]

Good luck selling various body parts to afford it.

Yeah moaaar lines, but priced like gold I'm afraid.

 

[mtosev]

The threadripper 7960x here in Europe costs 1300€.

 

[csendesmark]

I'm very interested in getting a new Threadripper HEDT cpu. I'd get the 24 core version.

Wish I could afford the 24 core version of this

 

[Dr. Dro]

The threadripper 7960x here in Europe costs 1300€.

The Zen 4 TR's have been in a downward price trend as of late, probably because of low demand. I expect it to end once the Zen 5 parts are released and the last few units available are sold. AMD MSRPs are set extremely high, the 64-core Zen 4 model is $4,999 - and this could rise even higher with the Zen 5 models. AMD positioned itself in a manner that they can build and easily ask for 10,000+ on a 3D cache model if they actually wanted to, they make no effort to make it look affordable or that they want these in the hands of the average customer - and the tech press has absolutely zero interest in pointing that out, which lets them get away with it, even though we sure heard it when Intel released the 6950X at $1700 and kept that price point until the 9980XE.

Unless Intel comes back from the dead and release a competing platform based on Xeon 6/Emerald Rapids with aggressive pricing (effectively reviving the Core X-series line that ended with the i9-10980XE), that niche will only recede further and further. I'd easily fork $800 for an 8-core EMR-based HEDT CPU that offered me the 8-channel memory and 128 PCIe lanes, even for gaming, I had always bought HEDT chips in the past. Platforms always age better.

HEDT is dead, long live HEDT.

 

[mtosev]

Any estimations when will these CPUs be released?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Nothing official yet, but probably soon, as regulatory agency leaks are propping up everywhere. From that point it's usually a few months until retail.

 

[A Computer Guy]

The Zen 4 TR's have been in a downward price trend as of late, probably because of low demand. I expect it to end once the Zen 5 parts are released and the last few units available are sold. AMD MSRPs are set extremely high, the 64-core Zen 4 model is $4,999 - and this could rise even higher with the Zen 5 models. AMD positioned itself in a manner that they can build and easily ask for 10,000+ on a 3D cache model if they actually wanted to, they make no effort to make it look affordable or that they want these in the hands of the average customer - and the tech press has absolutely zero interest in pointing that out, which lets them get away with it, even though we sure heard it when Intel released the 6950X at $1700 and kept that price point until the 9980XE.

Unless Intel comes back from the dead and release a competing platform based on Xeon 6/Emerald Rapids with aggressive pricing (effectively reviving the Core X-series line that ended with the i9-10980XE), that niche will only recede further and further. I'd easily fork $800 for an 8-core EMR-based HEDT CPU that offered me the 8-channel memory and 128 PCIe lanes, even for gaming, I had always bought HEDT chips in the past. Platforms always age better.

HEDT is dead, long live HEDT.

I found ASUS Pro WS TRX50-SAGE WIFI + AMD 7970X CPU on ebay for about $2000 but I don't trust the seller. Too risky since they can't confirm any parts are working. My hopes are dashed for now.

 

[mtosev]

I really hope that amd doesn't abandon the HEDT market and they release sub 1500€ CPUs.

 

[RayneYoruka]

These would be perfect for any homelab!

 

[igormp]

Unless Intel comes back from the dead and release a competing platform based on Xeon 6/Emerald Rapids with aggressive pricing (effectively reviving the Core X-series line that ended with the i9-10980XE), that niche will only recede further and further. I'd easily fork $800 for an 8-core EMR-based HEDT CPU that offered me the 8-channel memory and 128 PCIe lanes, even for gaming, I had always bought HEDT chips in the past. Platforms always age better.

HEDT is dead, long live HEDT.

FWIW, their Xeon W offerings based on Sapphire Rapids were reasonably priced, compared to TR. I heavily considered buying one, but mobos for those are inexistent here

 

[efikkan]

Good luck selling various body parts to afford it.

Anyone who has a use case which remotely can justify it, can probably afford it, unless they live in a third world country or a country where high-end workstation parts are absurdly priced.

Considering many pay more than enough for overpriced motherboards and overclocked memory anyways, it might not be a huge step up in pricing. Such systems are usually useful much longer, so the overall value is undoubtedly solid, not to mention the CPUs and motherboards are much more reliable.

But Threadripper would sell lots of more if they offered motherboards at $450-500 and started the lineup at 12-cores (or even 8).

Unless Intel comes back from the dead and release a competing platform based on Xeon 6/Emerald Rapids with aggressive pricing (effectively reviving the Core X-series line that ended with the i9-10980XE), that niche will only recede further and further. I'd easily fork $800 for an 8-core EMR-based HEDT CPU that offered me the 8-channel memory and 128 PCIe lanes, even for gaming, I had always bought HEDT chips in the past. Platforms always age better.

HEDT is dead, long live HEDT.

The high-end workstation segment is very much alive, although availability varies by the region. Both 4- and 8- memory channel models are available. As for motherboards for the current Sapphire Rapids, the slightly cut down AsRock W790 WS R2.0 has regularly been priced at ~$500 + VAT since last summer, and while cut down it makes any "high end" mainstream socket board look like junk by comparison.

Xeon 6 is Granite Rapids BTW, and workstation parts are coming, TPU covered it not that long ago.

FWIW, their Xeon W offerings based on Sapphire Rapids were reasonably priced, compared to TR. I heavily considered buying one, but mobos for those are inexistent here

Try shops that sell server parts, you might have some luck.
Worst case there is of course Ebay.

 

[igormp]

Try shops that sell server parts, you might have some luck.
Worst case there is of course Ebay.

Not many options here, and pricing for the few ones is non-sense, the only W790 that I found was like $2k.
I don't feel comfortable with ebay because importing stuff is a pain (plus import taxes), and I would not have any local warranty on such product.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The high-end workstation segment is very much alive, although availability varies by the region. Both 4- and 8- memory channel models are available. As for motherboards for the current Sapphire Rapids, the slightly cut down AsRock W790 WS R2.0 has regularly been priced at ~$500 + VAT since last summer, and while cut down it makes any "high end" mainstream socket board look like junk by comparison.

Xeon 6 is Granite Rapids BTW, and workstation parts are coming, TPU covered it not that long ago.

Yeah, I know. The bar was meant to be an "or" in my head hehe. EMR is 5th gen, I'm not sure what it's being marketed as though right off the tongue, though.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

The threadripper 7960x here in Europe costs 1300€.

Yes X version is more cheap than WS but memory channels is a half.

 

[Assimilator]

But Threadripper would sell lots of more if they offered motherboards at $450-500 and started the lineup at 12-cores (or even 8).

It would sell lots more if AMD didn't artificially limit TR parts to expensive, high-core-count models and made up chipsets. All I want is an 8-core CPU with 128 PCIe lanes plus a motherboard with a more-than-server-grade level of connectivity, why is this so hard?

slightly cut down AsRock W790 WS R2.0

"Slightly"? It doesn't have WiFi or rear USB-C, which even the most bargain-basement consumer boards come with as standard! That's not "cut down", that's a freaking joke.

 

[efikkan]

"Slightly"? It doesn't have WiFi or rear USB-C, which even the most bargain-basement consumer boards come with as standard! That's not "cut down", that's a freaking joke.

WiFi on a workstation board, you're joking right?
They need to stop adding useless features which aren't needed by the target customer group, it only drives up costs. Those 2% who need WiFi on this can buy an add-in card, so the rest of us don't have to pay for something that's basically E-waste.

 

[mtosev]

Yes X version is more cheap than WS but memory channels is a half.

I know yes. Quad channel ram would be enough for me.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

It would sell lots more if AMD didn't artificially limit TR parts to expensive, high-core-count models and made up chipsets. All I want is an 8-core CPU with 128 PCIe lanes plus a motherboard with a more-than-server-grade level of connectivity, why is this so hard?


"Slightly"? It doesn't have WiFi or rear USB-C, which even the most bargain-basement consumer boards come with as standard! That's not "cut down", that's a freaking joke.

The giant price gap between Threadripper on WX parts & X parts compared to Desktop ryzen is pretty large too. Also noticed there is now Threadripper 9000x parts on this list.
Nothing from around $750 to $1,250. just a big dead zone in parts & pricing.