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AMD "Sharkstooth" Shows Up on Geekbench: Possible Zen 2 Threadripper

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I can't tell if that's a question or a rebuttal. Are you questioning how business models work at the billion $+ corporate level?

The 1920 performs on par "ish" with the 3700x. With a more expensive mobo and 4 sticks of RAM. Price/performance parity.

Yes it is a rebuttal but a gentle one.

The 3700X is $449.99 in Canada so the 1920X is $100 cheaper. You can find TR4 boards for less than the expensive X570 boards. Neither do you absolutely need 4 sticks of RAM. TR4 runs fine with 2 sticks. As of right now if you go first gen TR4, it is actually the same as going high end X570.




There is a $5 difference between these boards but which gives you more?
 
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No, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.

This is the dumbest thing I have read on this site.. kudos
 
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This is the dumbest thing I have read on this site.. kudos

Agreed, first time I've clicked the ignore button within a new member's first 3 posts. (woo, 2K posts for me!)
 
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This is the dumbest thing I have read on this site.. kudos

Just trolls, they come and go. Though I have a feeling they aren't trolls as in plural, the staff should check their IPs.
 
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No, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.
I'm impressed by the effort required to write so much nonsense.
 
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What was the cooler used for that? I suspect it's of the exotic kind ...

Supposedly, Zen 2 TR will be using air or AIO water.

We shall see ...
TR Zen 2 with air cooler? Have you not seen 3900x temps at just stock with highend air/AIO cooler? I'll pass on Zen 2-based TR until 7nm+ gets here.
 

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TR Zen 2 with air cooler? Have you not seen 3900x temps at just stock with highend air/AIO cooler? I'll pass on Zen 2-based TR until 7nm+ gets here.

I've seen the 2990WX with air coolers so it's not a big stretch to think of whatever the highest TR Zen 2 CPU using it too.

Besides, i said nothing about overclocking ...
 
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No, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.

I think I just blacked out reading this. I love all the talk about what business's make decisions on. Anything going into a data center cares about arguably 2, maybe 3 things.

My two cents;

1. Performance per KwH
2. Performance per U
And to a lesser degree
3. Inter-Connect/Expand-ability -- Higher bandwidth inter-connects between systems, which is almost a given these days.

Sincerely,

Grandpa Cocaine Bear
 
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No, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.
Just reposted this in another thread, might as well put it here too:
https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14605/111165.png[/quote]
[quote"AnandTech"]Normalising the scores for frequency, we see that AMD has achieved something that the company hasn’t been able to claim in over 15 years: It has beat Intel in terms of overall IPC. Overall here, the IPC improvements over Zen+ are 15%, which is a bit lower than the 17% figure for SPEC2006. [/quote]
(emphasis mine)

Of course, this is not an AVX2 or AVX512 test, and for the extremely few AVX512-optimized workloads out there, Intel is likely to beat AMD somewhat (though not by much according to AnandTech's recent EPYC review).
[img]https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14694/87250v212Epyc2.png
As you can see, 2x EPYC 7742 64-core 250W CPUs nearly match 2x Intel Xeon Scalable 8280 28-core 205W CPUs despite lacking AVX512. Yes, AMD has a massive core advantage, but the two platforms are consuming similar amounts of power, which is also rather important. Not to mentio that the EPYC 7742 is about half the price of a Xeon Scalable 8280.

For non-AVX workloads, which are the vast majority of workloads outside of HPC, AMD has Intel beat in terms of IPC, but Intel makes up for it in low-thread workloads with higher core clocks. AMD is also noticeably more power efficient at anything above very low power loads (and they're even catching up in the 15W laptop space, where they're still using Zen+ APUs).

Besides that, comparing Zen 2 to "AMD borrowing Intel [sic] Skylake S licence and built their customized version" just demonstrates that you haven't spent the required time understanding CPU architectures. I can't even come close to claiming a proper low-level understanding of this, but even I understand that Zen (and Zen+ and Zen 2) are dramatically different from Intel Core.

Better Core always better. :D:D:D:D:D

I'd trying to post details however the admin was not allow me to do. So , depending on your budgets . It's seem AMD fan here couldn't accept anything which Intel better a lot .
:peace::peace::peace::peace::peace:
Ah, so the forum admins proactively stopped you from posting? Yeah, that's not how forum moderation works, bud. Nice try, but your trolling skills are rather weak.
 
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I don't know if I should post this in deals but it is sort of relevant to the thread. Right now you can buy a 1920x for $334.69. Looks like it has gone up by $3. I am doing a build with this for a customer.

 
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I am so glad that I moved from AM4 to TR4. I am in no way saying the AM4 is bad. The fact that we are going to see new TR4 chips combined with the release and reviews of AMD's latest Epyc chips can only be good for Threadripper owners. Imagine running TR4 at 3800 MHZ on 32GB or 64GB of quad channel!? Even those that mainly game should be over the moon with the performance uplift provided, but the Motherboards are where Threadripper shines for me. All of the I/O goodness and the sheer number of expansion options is great. With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards, PCI_E 4.0 (I know but it is still nice to be bleeding edge) and I can imagine at least 64 PCI_E 4.0 but up to 128 PCI-E_3.0 equivelant lanes, probably 2.5Gbit or 10Gbit network cards and even Expansion cards (Can you imagine the Sequential on 4 PCI_E 4.0 drives in RAID 0). This is truly the best time to be into computing; so many options and really none of them are bad. CPUs from Intel and AMD all have their use cases but the sheer number of platforms is wonderful and sometimes daunting.
You said "With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards", which boards??
 
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You said "With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards", which boards??

The top end from As Rock and I also believe one MATX board as well. There were so many boards on release I can't remember the exact one. It might be the Extreme 4.
 
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The top end from As Rock and I also believe one MATX board as well. There were so many boards on release I can't remember the exact one. It might be the Extreme 4.
Also ASrock's ITX board.
 
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3175x is $3050 on Newegg. This 32 core beast will be around half the price, maybe $2000. Just saying lol.
Also, the only motherboard for the 3175X is $1500. And a server form factor. And not actually available.
 
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