Why does everyone think ABS is a good thing? I've never had my wheels lock up in the past 10+ years, not sure why everyone wants it on cars nowadays.
Driver issues? I've never had a driver issue in 10+ years, so IDK why this is always brought up as an AMD issue or issue in general.
Antivirus? I've never had an infection in 10+ years, so IDK why this is always brought up as an end user problem or a problem in general.
1: I could go on. You've never had an issue? Congratulations, doesnt mean a problem doesnt exist.
A simple look at forums over the last 10+ years would show that a LOT of people have issues with AMD CPUs sticking to heatsinks and getting pulled out of motherboards, bending pins in the process. Multiple tech youtubers like Linux have put out videos on the subject over the years. It happens, it is an implementation issue with PGA sockets, used to happen on laptop CPUs too, which were all PGA and had a nasty habit of doing the exact same thing.
2: Hard paste is the cause, but there is a solution.
Intel figured that out with the LGA retention bracket, they had the same issue on socket 370/423/478. Third party brackets for some coolers on socket AM4 have a retention bracket that fixes the issue. Whether due to lack of care, cost, or not wanting to break backwards compatibility with previous coolers, AMD's PGA sockets have never fixed this problem, while thanks to the retention bracket I've never had a modern intel desktop CPU stick to a heatsink no matter how hardened the paste was.
3: I look forward to AM5 fixing this issue.
I'll pick out a couple of things here to elaborate on.
1:
YES It doesn't mean there isn't a problem, no denying that but since I own both and have so for years now I've had way less trouble from AMD's current design (PGA).
The thing about cooler and CPUs coming out together I've ran into myself many times over and I can tell you, most of those damaging CPU pins are
STILL twisting the cooler as they remove it. The suggestion is always to twist the cooler and many take that literally as what do to before AND while trying to separate them from each other or just to remove the chip from the socket.
And by doing that what do you think IS going to happen to the pins doing that as it comes out of the socket?
The correct way is simply to pull
straightup and out of the socket, no bending of pins that way. By doing that you won't damage any pins on the chip and it doesn't hurt the board either.
Remove it now, separate them after it's out of the board.
2:
Thicker TIMs along with the stock "Gum"/TIM are also contributors, thinner TIMs aren't nearly as bad about causing it.
I always remove the factory gum that comes on them and replace it with a good, thinner type TIM such as MX4 or NT-H1.
3:
LGA is probrably going to make things worse overall.
The older sockets such as 775 are good and far more robust than the later 1151 socket for example.
The problem is the fitting all those pins in the socket, a socket of the same basic dimensions as what's been used for years so to pack these extra pins in you gotta make them thinner, which also means weaker and they are more prone to bend/break because of that.
If they change the physical dimensions of the socket allowing for thicker pins there would be far less trouble but ATM I don't see that happening, in fact as the numerical pin count go up in these sockets it's gonna get worse.
There is yet another thing that many don't seem to know about or have mentioned much if at all, that would be the pins themselves shifting around in the socket, because for some reason they get/are loose where they are fixed into the socket.
They don't get bent, they just move around to one side.
All it takes is for a single pin to shift to one side "Just enough" and it will start throwing codes, making one think the board is defective or they just broke a pin. I went through exactly that with my Z77 OCF when it was new, took forever to figure it out but when I did I fixed it and it works BUT it also
still tends to do this.
Not everytime but annoying as hell to deal with it, that sometimes happens to my IX Apex board too and had it do just that the other day.
I know each socket type has advantages but from what I've dealt with up until now PGA is still better.
