AMD to Launch New GPUs and APUs Only After March: CEO

[Prima.Vera]

How long have you had your 5870? Only asking because I couldn't hold out anymore last year and upgraded from my ancient 5850 to my 290. Might upgrade to this series because my chip runs a little hot on load unless I crank up the fans.

I upgraded from x2 5870 CFX, to a 780Ti last year and the performance increase was crazy. Probably mainly because of tripling the frame-buffer from 1 to 3GB. But even with the 780Ti cannot play with more than 4xAA antialias before the perf goes downside in the latest games.

 

[The N]

so they have something improvement , in price/performance, under $300 will beat the maxwell i bet. they already state the power consumption is around 197w which would be a great improvment over predecessor if they really implement it. on high AA and high resolution AMD already known for best performer.

let see what they disclose after march. i am using 7950 which is beast in price/performance.

 

[1c3d0g]

I upgraded from x2 5870 CFX, to a 780Ti last year and the performance increase was crazy. Probably mainly because of tripling the frame-buffer from 1 to 3GB. But even with the 780Ti cannot play with more than 4xAA antialias before the perf goes downside in the latest games.

Time for an upgrade, then. The 970 GTX is selling for $ 325 now, last time I looked.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7610766-evga-gtx-970-ssc-3975-model-325-w-vco-or-300-w-vco-and-amex-ymmv?v=1

 

[Digital Dreams]

Time for an upgrade, then. The 970 GTX is selling for $ 325 now, last time I looked.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7610766-evga-gtx-970-ssc-3975-model-325-w-vco-or-300-w-vco-and-amex-ymmv?v=1

Is this the 3.5 GB edition?

 

[alwayssts]

As for me, I'm very curious to see just how big and how fast the 390(x) turns out to be.

Just out of curiosity, a while ago I drew (in mspaint) a mock-up of what Hawaii would look like with HBM on an interposer. All three are to scale to actual chip sizes (20 pixels = 1mm). Perhaps I could have re-arranged them to look more how it probably will (two chips per side...probably a 90 degree turn of chips) but I was too lazy to go back and make the line density thinner, as it would get pretty tight (which would make sense, by design). It should give an idea though of what they have to work with in terms of space.

I know we all hope it is 20nm, but on 28nm you can more-or-less guesstimate how big it will/could be (also note Hawaii is pretty much the perfect size to fit chips on two sides given the size of a regulation interposer...which is what I was curious about in the first place.)

I'm also curious if they stick to 64 ROPs. That would mean it would (generally) need to be clocked higher than GM200. Not by a lot, mind you (couple percent), but with their general performance scaling it could add up (5-6% total). That's not counting the extra performance the mem bandwidth would obviously give (probably enough to make up the slightly lopsided rops/shaders if 512Gbps), nor the fact extra shader/compute/sfu resources can help in certain situations (versus nvidia's '3840'), but when we're talking estimated clockspeeds that are very similar (say ~1ghz) with chips that could be relatively similar size (say 24x24 [but perhaps more rectangular] vs 25x25) every little bit matters.

I think the point is it *should* perform well-enough considering where Titan-X will probably be placed. There's certainly a question of how much power it vs GM200 will be given and/or how well GM200 will clock (especially within 300w), but if nvidia is truly going to launch the first parts at $1350 (or some other obscene figure), AMD doesn't really need to worry until nvidia makes an apples-to-apples consumer part, and even then it could be interesting (as amd will probably be running at power efficient clocks where-as a cut-down GM200 would have to run higher and vicariously less power efficient. That will probably be offset vs Titan-X by having less ram, but I digress).

Should be a relatively interesting Q2 this year.

 

[Rannick1982]

I'm still hoping out that AMD can turn it around, but with my 660's starting to fall behind on me, I may stick with camp Green for my next upgrade, if the 290 pulled less power, I'd snag it and not worry about it...

 

[xfia]

seems like they want to give out the 4k and eyefinity gaming power but 4gb.. from the tests i have seen 6gb might be a sweet spot and 8gb for bragging rights

 

[TRWOV]

seems like they want to give out the 4k and eyefinity gaming power but 4gb.. from the tests i have seen 6gb might be a sweet spot and 8gb for bragging rights

HBM 1.0 is limited to 4GB. HBM 2.0 will go up to 8GB. I guess R9 390X will have HBM 2.0

 

[xfia]

gonna be amd's year

 

[Aquinus]

Since 2009/2010. I don't really care too much about games look, I just need 60+ fps at 1920x1200. If I have to play on low to get that, I'll play on low. I could hold out a little while longer but not much.

That's how I feel about my 6870s, however I was already starting to get pushed towards a single GPU replacement. It's not even that the 6870 is weak, it's that 1GB of VRAM doesn't do the GPU justice. I could have run Farcry 3 at ultra if it weren't for running out of VRAM. Either way, the R9 380 is sounding pretty slick. I hope they can fix the whole high-usage in multi-monitor mode problem. Almost 1/4 to 1/3 of my idle consumption is my power hungry GPU in multi-monitor at idle. It's really pretty brutal.

Like Ford, I suspect I do more with my tower that doesn't require a half-decent graphics card though as I don't tend to game as much as I used to.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I game all of the time. I just don't care about how pretty games look so long as I can quickly tell what I'm looking at.

 

[xfia]

most games i have played seem to have pretty good improvement moving from low-med-high but beyond that have subtle difference

 

[theonedub]

No love for AM1?

I know, right? Like an 8 core 256 GCN AM1 APU is that difficult to pull off.

(I'll take 2, please!)

 

[Aquinus]

No love for AM1?

Right? I like AM1 but it's just a little too light on features. It's really close to hitting the money for me though. Intel's Atom C2750 is full of features and the real seller is a full 16 PCI-E lanes on top of the 4 NICs built in but it costs an arm and a leg in comparison.

 

[Rannick1982]

We'll probably see more for the AM1 as they move forward with the APU's and fine tune the GCN for the igpu's...

 

[TRWOV]

I know, right? Like an 8 core 256 GCN AM1 APU is that difficult to pull off.

(I'll take 2, please!)

Right? I like AM1 but it's just a little too light on features. It's really close to hitting the money for me though. Intel's Atom C2750 is full of features and the real seller is a full 16 PCI-E lanes on top of the 4 NICs built in but it costs an arm and a leg in comparison.

I don't think we'd see an 8 core AM1 APU but a 4 core at 3Ghz and 256 shaders would be a worthy upgrade. I've OCed my 5350 (a mild 260Mhz overclock, I think my generic PSU is holding it back) and I'm very happy with it but I'd just wish a little more on the gaming department. Works great for old games though, I'm playing Doom 3 on it ATM, but you can tell there's a bottlneck somewhere (maybe RAM speed?).

 

[Aquinus]

I don't think we'd see an 8 core AM1 APU but a 4 core at 3Ghz and 256 shaders would be a worthy upgrade. I've OCed my 5350 (a mild 260Mhz overclock, I think my generic PSU is holding it back) and I'm very happy with it but I'd just wish a little more on the gaming department. Works great for old games though, I'm playing Doom 3 on it ATM, but you can tell there's a bottlneck somewhere (maybe RAM speed?).

No overclock isn't going to get your more PCI-E lanes, network interfaces, or SATA ports. Something I would demand from any machine I would consider buying right now as the only device I would be willing to replace is my gateway. So what I want out of it is different than what you're using it for. I really want the power consumption of AM1 with the PCI-E root complex on FM2+ CPUs. At least that way you have the option of adding to the machine where AM1 right now only have 4 PCI-E lanes to work with, 1GB ethernet, and 2 SATA ports.

 

[theonedub]

I don't think we'd see an 8 core AM1 APU but a 4 core at 3Ghz and 256 shaders would be a worthy upgrade. I've OCed my 5350 (a mild 260Mhz overclock, I think my generic PSU is holding it back) and I'm very happy with it but I'd just wish a little more on the gaming department. Works great for old games though, I'm playing Doom 3 on it ATM, but you can tell there's a bottlneck somewhere (maybe RAM speed?).

Your request seems much more realistic . I'm going to be playing with my Win7 5350 a bit more, maybe I'll mess around running the 1866mhz RAM @ different speeds just to see what happens.

 

[TRWOV]

No overclock isn't going to get your more PCI-E lanes, network interfaces, or SATA ports. Something I would demand from any machine I would consider buying right now as the only device I would be willing to replace is my gateway. So what I want out of it is different than what you're using it for. I really want the power consumption of AM1 with the PCI-E root complex on FM2+ CPUs. At least that way you have the option of adding to the machine where AM1 right now only have 4 PCI-E lanes to work with, 1GB ethernet, and 2 SATA ports.

The Asus C60M-I (Brazos CPU, Hudson chipset) supports port multipliers, I use one on my unRAID server with 8 drives (5 on board, 3 on multi) and I think I've read that the Asus AM1I-A supports them too. Can't offer any help on the PCIe lanes thing though.

 

[Aquinus]

The Asus C60M-I (Brazos CPU, Hudson chipset) supports port multipliers, I use one on my unRAID server with 8 drives (5 on board, 3 on multi) and I think I've read that the Asus AM1I-A supports them too. Can't offer any help on the PCIe lanes thing though.

Ah, didn't know that. Unfortunately a 1Ghz Brazos is a little slow for what it would be doing. My gateway is a super-utility server in the sense that it's my gateway, NAS, and occasional vm host. As a result, I need several ethernet ports (two are on the board, i added two with a PCI-E card), I need half-decent CPU performance to handle MDADM relatively quickly unless I get a RAID card, for which I need PCI-E slots. So generally speaking, with a board like that I would need at least two PCI-E slots for RAID (since CPU offload would be lackluster) and one for a bigger 4-port ethernet card since the board I have now already has two ports in it and I use all 4 already.

All in all, my needs are a little extreme which is why it's probably not enough, but it I were using it just as a NAS or just as a Gateway, it would probably be fine though.

 

[Rannick1982]

Ah, didn't know that. Unfortunately a 1Ghz Brazos is a little slow for what it would be doing. My gateway is a super-utility server in the sense that it's my gateway, NAS, and occasional vm host. As a result, I need several ethernet ports (two are on the board, i added two with a PCI-E card), I need half-decent CPU performance to handle MDADM relatively quickly unless I get a RAID card, for which I need PCI-E slots. So generally speaking, with a board like that I would need at least two PCI-E slots for RAID (since CPU offload would be lackluster) and one for a bigger 4-port ethernet card since the board I have now already has two ports in it and I use all 4 already.

All in all, my needs are a little extreme which is why it's probably not enough, but it I were using it just as a NAS or just as a Gateway, it would probably be fine though.

You should probably buy a server grade board at this point, since they offer the slots you're looking for...

 

[Aquinus]

You should probably buy a server grade board at this point, since they offer the slots you're looking for...

Well, yeah. Ideally that's what I want but cost and power consumption are always factors. Right not my multi-purpose gateway is powered by a Phenom II 960T and a board with a 790FX chipset so there are plenty of ways I an expand to it. The issue is that it consumes almost as much power as my i7 tower at idle which is a lot, so low power is important. If money wasn't a thing, an i3 plus a supermicro board would probably fit the bill, but at that point I'm paying at least 400 USD for the CPU and motherboard. AMD usually been pretty good about the price-to-perf ratio which is why I never forget about them when my budget is constrained. Plus, I don't want to spend more if I don't have to.

 

[rruff]

I'm really crossing my fingers for this year for AMD. They gotta come back before they fall.

Me too.

But their R&D budget is just 58% of what they spent in 2008. Nvidia spends 2x what they did in 2008 and now spends more than AMD does on all markets, while Intel outspends all of AMD by >4x.

IMO they behave like a company that is dragging along until they go bankrupt, squeezing as much as they can out of old architecture with minimal investment. That isn't a strategy for regaining market share.

 

[Rannick1982]

Well, yeah. Ideally that's what I want but cost and power consumption are always factors. Right not my multi-purpose gateway is powered by a Phenom II 960T and a board with a 790FX chipset so there are plenty of ways I an expand to it. The issue is that it consumes almost as much power as my i7 tower at idle which is a lot, so low power is important. If money wasn't a thing, an i3 plus a supermicro board would probably fit the bill, but at that point I'm paying at least 400 USD for the CPU and motherboard. AMD usually been pretty good about the price-to-perf ratio which is why I never forget about them when my budget is constrained. Plus, I don't want to spend more if I don't have to.

I understand that, quite a bit. I got given a Pentium G3258, but I have no use for it, without buying everything to go with it, as I run an AMD system. lol, It'd be nice to turn it into a small Linux server and NAS.