AMD to Simultaneously Launch 3rd Gen Ryzen and Unveil Radeon "Navi" This June

[Anymal]

Seeing is believing. Both in the case of Ryzen 3 and Navi... Good faith on the first but not so much on the latter. Unveiling... meh, mild interest, its a GPU, surprise surprise. I want performance metrics

It would be interesting to see if you and other AMD supporters will keep yours allegedly good judgement and the same amount of criticism.

 

[Crackong]

Can't wait to get a Ryzen 3000.
Thank god AMD don't do the "Oh some pin definitions have been changed so old MBs don't work" bull crap.
I had a X370 MB, update the BIOS then change the CPU is just a 5 MINUTES process.

 

[HwGeek]

Navi Will be good IMO, they will make it run at 2Ghz boost minimum, and if you take RX 580 to run at 2Ghz you already can get nice mid-range GPU at under $200.

 

[kings]

I don´t have much faith on Navi, with AMD GPUs the hype is often exaggerated!

The Fury series were going to be the Titan killer and the "overclockers dream", the Vega were going to be the "poor Volta", now it's Navi, which is going to be the most fantastic thing ever!

And most of the time it's not AMD's fault, but rather the unrealistic expectations that AMD fans are spreading through the forums.

But, they might surprise us this time, who knows... when they hit the shore, we'll see ...

 

[jabbadap]

Navi Will be good IMO, they will make it run at 2Ghz boost minimum, and if you take RX 580 to run at 2Ghz you already can get nice mid-range GPU at under $200.

Please don't overhype it. Vega20 is 331mm² chip and with 1.8GHz boosts clocks have 300W TDP. Small Turings puts the bar rather low so I really don't think AMD have to keep clocks any higher than they needed to be. They have new process to toy with, add some CUs and keep clocks reasonable low. With that they can quite easily target RTX 2070 performance.

 

[FYFI13]

I've just pulled the trigger on Ryzen upgrade (last night), and I'm still gonna buy a 3000-series CPU this summer.
I think it'll be a worthwhile upgrade from any platform.

So did i last week, nice performance boost compared to my previous i7 4790K And I'm also planning to get 3000 series CPU once they come out, since they will be compatible with all AM4 motherboards and i already have DDR4 RAM. That's handy. I kept delaying my previous system upgrade because i had to replace everything in one go.

Also, really looking forward to see new APU's.

 

[medi01]

Navi will only be "unveiled".

I want to know where all that stuff with "Navi" in it came from.


Dr Lisa literally said: "As the first CEO keynote speaker at the COMPUTEX Press Conference, Dr. Lisa Su said, "As one of the most important global events for our industry, I look forward to COMPUTEX each year. I am honored to deliver the opening keynote this year and provide new details about the next generation of high-performance AMD platforms and products. With our partners, we will tell the story of how leading-edge technologies and an open ecosystem are driving an inflection point in computing and industry innovation and positively impacting several important markets."


Let me know if you find words "Ryzen" or "3rd gen" or "Navi" in it.

old GCN

It is time for that "buh CGN" idiocity to die already.

The Fury series were going to be the Titan killer

A statement never made by any AMD employee. Don't read wccf too often, or put too much faiths into random reddit posts.

 

[IceShroom]

Seeing is believing. Both in the case of Ryzen 3 and Navi... Good faith on the first but not so much on the latter. Unveiling... meh, mild interest, its a GPU, surprise surprise. I want performance metrics

Seeing is believing, then we already has Ryzen 3 - Ryzen 3 2200G, 2200U,2300U, 1200, 1300.

 

[Vayra86]

Seeing is believing, then we already has Ryzen 3 - Ryzen 3 2200G, 2200U,2300U, 1200, 1300.

Exactly, and those lag behind on single thread and clocks, which is what should be eliminated with the coming release.

Don't read wccf too often, or put too much faiths into random reddit posts.

This

 

[HwGeek]

I want to know where all that stuff with "Navi" in it came from.
Dr Lisa literally said: "As the first CEO keynote speaker at the COMPUTEX Press Conference, Dr. Lisa Su said, "As one of the most important global events for our industry, I look forward to COMPUTEX each year. I am honored to deliver the opening keynote this year and provide new details about the next generation of high-performance AMD platforms and products. With our partners, we will tell the story of how leading-edge technologies and an open ecosystem are driving an inflection point in computing and industry innovation and positively impacting several important markets."
Let me know if you find words "Ryzen" or "3rd gen" or "Navi" in it.
It is time for that "buh CGN" idiocity to die already.
A statement never made by any AMD employee. Don't read wccf too often, or put too much faiths into random reddit posts.

I think that the key words in Dr. Lisa Su comment are " inflection point ".

Please don't overhype it. Vega20 is 331mm² chip and with 1.8GHz boosts clocks have 300W TDP. Small Turings puts the bar rather low so I really don't think AMD have to keep clocks any higher than they needed to be. They have new process to toy with, add some CUs and keep clocks reasonable low. With that they can quite easily target RTX 2070 performance.

No over-hype, just reasonable thinking, if Navi was designed from the beginning for 7nm, then it most likely will clock higher then Polaris and large and complex silicone like Radeon VII, so what's the problem to make "Polaris 30" level Navi [at same clock] and make it run @2Ghz boost? it will be at least GTX 1660Ti level at cheaper price.

 

[kings]

A statement never made by any AMD employee. Don't read wccf too often, or put too much faiths into random reddit posts.

And I never said it was from an AMD employee. I even said that many times the hype was not AMD's fault, but rather the most fanatical fans!

But, funny you only pick that, the rest of the line you disregard to fit your argument and put me as the bad guy and AMD the good and poor guy, who never spread unrealistic hype!

Nice work!

 

[HwGeek]

Meanwhile on the Blue Team: Intel's future architecture for the Core Series- "Came Late" will be released by the end of the year.
You can Google search it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Intel's+Came+Late

 

[bug]

<b>Meanwhile on the Blue Team: Intel's future architecture for the Core Series- "Came Late" will be released by the end of the year.</b>
You can Google search it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Intel's+Came+Late

That's not really apples to apples.
On the CPU front, AMD has more cores, but Intel has faster cores. They still a value proposition, despite Ice Lake's woes.
On the GPU, AMD has no value proposition. Nvidia has them beat across the board: performance, power draw, features and more recently price. From that point of view Navi will be late if it will be released yesterday.

 

[phill]

I'll just wait till then and see what is on the offering....

 

[HwGeek]

That's not really apples to apples.
On the CPU front, AMD has more cores, but Intel has faster cores. They still a value proposition, despite Ice Lake's woes.
On the GPU, AMD has no value proposition. Nvidia has them beat across the board: performance, power draw, features and more recently price. From that point of view Navi will be late if it will be released yesterday.

You need to read again- I think you missed the funny part

 

[r9]

I don't get why this is so surprising for some. AMD is developing 2 products at the same time (Zen 2 and Navi).
Why would they not launch them together? This combination is meant to be the backbone of next gen consoles - the most important market for AMD.

Do we have any official statement on Navi APU performance? Where exactly is this "nearly doubled" performance coming from?

No, that makes perfect sense. What makes it surprising is knowing how tight are AMD with resources.
I guess they made good use of the Ryzen money.

What I find surprising is that NVIDIA is not doing that good and knowing that they were never ahead as much as they are today.
Price, performance, features(RTRT) and power consumption. Everything is on their side.

I hate for any company pooling too much ahead I want them all competing.
In e perfect world NVIDIA is making CPUs too and Intel making discrete GPUs.
And Play Station and Xbox use different CPU/GPUs.

 

[Steevo]

Seems like it'll be a good moment to build a new computer if you're hanging on a i920, like some people...

My 1100T would take offense to that but it didn't cache it

 

[HwGeek]

When I think about it- We are missing very important trend that AMD started from Ryzen:
With each Ryzen Generation- AMD Doubled the existing performance/Core count, Quad Core Desktops became Octa-core, and soons 16Core, same on HEDT from 8C ~16C~32C~and soon 64C.
This kind of performance uplift is not normal and usual - and all of this in just ~2 Years!

This is why Dr. Lisa Su keeps saying " inflection point ".

 

[notb]

No, that makes perfect sense. What makes it surprising is knowing how tight are AMD with resources.

How do you know that?
I see people repeating all the time, but really haven't seen any argument why.

In e perfect world NVIDIA is making CPUs too and Intel making discrete GPUs.
And Play Station and Xbox use different CPU/GPUs.

Nvidia is making CPUs - just not x86.

 

[R0H1T]

I'm refering to multiple persons in this thread that seem to cream their pants with "Zen 2 and Navi launch in June" in their minds. Yeah, Zen 2 launches in June, that's true and that's also what the headline says. Navi? Not so much.

But sure you can cherry pick my post and try to be a smartass.

I assumed the title would reflect the press release, guess not!

Says the guy who didn't read any of the official statement(s)

Taiwan External Trade Development Council (TAITRA) announced today that the 2019 COMPUTEX International Press Conference will be held with a Keynote by AMD President and CEO Dr. Lisa Su. The 2019 COMPUTEX International Press Conference & CEO Keynote is scheduled for Monday, May 27 at 10:00 AM in Room 201 of the Taipei International Convention Center (TICC) in Taipei, Taiwan with the keynote topic “The Next Generation of High-Performance Computing”.

"COMPUTEX, as one of the global leading technology tradeshows, has continued to advance with the times for more than 30 years. This year, for the first time, a keynote speech will be held at the pre-show international press conference,” said Mr. Walter Yeh, President & CEO, TAITRA, “Dr. Lisa Su received a special invitation to share insights about the next generation of high-performance computing. We look forward to her participation attracting more companies to participate in COMPUTEX, bringing the latest industry insights, and jointly sharing the infinite possibilities of the technology ecosystem on this global stage."

As the first CEO keynote speaker at the COMPUTEX Press Conference, Dr. Lisa Su said, “As one of the most important global events for our industry, I look forward to COMPUTEX each year. I am honored to deliver the opening keynote this year and provide new details about the next generation of high-performance AMD platforms and products. With our partners, we will tell the story of how leading-edge technologies and an open ecosystem are driving an inflection point in computing and industry innovation and positively impacting several important markets.”

Under the leadership of Dr. Lisa Su, AMD continues to grow and excel in the field of high-performance computing, graphics, and visualization technologies. The latest AMD products released include the world’s first 7nm gaming GPU–AMD Radeon™ VII and first 7nm datacenter GPU, AMD Radeon Instinct MI60. Upcoming products include 7nm AMD EPYC™ datacenter processors, 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ desktop processors and graphics cards based on the next-generation “Navi” architecture – all of which are designed to create exceptional experiences for gamers and creators as well as help solve many of the toughest challenges in our lives. During the CEO Keynote, Dr. Lisa Su and other high-profile guests will highlight new details of upcoming products and showcase how the industry is building a new high-performance computing ecosystem that will push technology to the next level.

COMPUTEX 2019 continues its position of Building Global Technology Ecosystems from May 28 – June 1, 2019 hosting 1,685 exhibitors across 5,508 exhibition booths, focusing on the latest tech trends such as AI & IoT, 5G, Blockchain, Innovations & Startups, and Gaming & XR. The 2019 show aims to inspire more innovative technologies and market opportunities to create a new ICT ecosystem.

https://www.computextaipei.com.tw/en_US/news/info.html?id=6994382A4DFCD609

 

[notb]

When I think about it- We are missing very important trend that AMD started from Ryzen:
With each Ryzen Generation- AMD Doubled the existing performance/Core count, Quad Core

Core count and performance are entierly different things.
Also, really nothing changed yet. Until 7/10 nm CPUs arrive, there's just so much space for cores. AMD's aggressive pricing shifted Intel's lineup a bit: 8 cores arrived on the consumer socket and high-core Xeons were rebranded for the "enthusiast" platform. But we had all that already.

Moving to 7nm means more cores can actually be packed into a package, so we'll see a 64 core EPYC.

That said... in the 64-core EPYC chiplet design, a big part (1/3) of the socket is used by the IO die.
Intel announced they're working on a 48-core Xeon for the LGA 3647 (still on 14nm).
It'll all come down to power consumption and single-core performance.

 

[medi01]

AMD has more cores, but Intel has faster cores

You shouldn't project gaming results to everything. E.g. (surely cherry picked):

7820x commands the same number of cores as 2700x and is clocked higher.
(and last time I've checked 2700x was 156 Euro)


And on gaming side of things, those are tests ran on nvidia and nvidia didn't have reasons to bother optimizing the drivers for AMD, Buldozer was that bad.

 

[bug]

@medi01 At no point does your post address anything I have said.

 

[efikkan]

Navi Will be good IMO, they will make it run at 2Ghz boost minimum, and if you take RX 580 to run at 2Ghz you already can get nice mid-range GPU at under $200.

Is this based on facts or is it your wishful thinking?

Pushing the clocks too far will just eat up the efficiency gains. And remember that the increased density will limit the maximum cooling per area.

The problem with GCN has always been undersaturation. There is already plenty of untamed performance, what AMD needs is not a brute-force approach, but smarter utilization of the resources they already have.

 

[64K]

@medi01 At no point does your post address anything I have said.

Looks pretty impressive though.