AMD Unlocked FX Processors Announced

[JrRacinFan]

The problem is the chip is out now and in a year their will be more new tech (what comes after IvyBridge, then there's Piledriver too).

Then what happens if the software side of things still isn't corrected by then?

 

[bear jesus]

No, I have not been in contact with the right people @ AMD, obviously. I did ask JF-AMD numerous times for chips, and was quite serious; I'm sure you've seen my posts, and I am pretty sure I asked him in PM too. He did not offer me a contact name.

That said, everything I use for reviews so far, other than the boards; memory, CPUs, PSU, HDD, and everything else, I bought with my own dollar.

I have asked board partners for a chip to review 9-series board with, however.

I'm going to ask AMD's marketing directly, again, for a CPU, but I totally expect to have to buy Bulldozer. It just sucks that no chips are available to me here in Canada yet.


Who knows, maybe TPU will have a review up in the future. I don't see much point though, as reviews are on nearly every other tech site but here already. It would be great to see a review done with Crossfire 6950's and Eyefinity though. I could do that, but I'm not likely to have much in the way of motivation when I got to buy a chip.

It sucks that you have had to buy so much yourself, i think bulldozer is a hard one to justify paying for yourself, i admit i would love to see how it deals with multi GPU setups (mainly as it is an area where AMD has been lacking in the past) and eyefinity performance would be nice to see along with having it to test future AM3+ boards but honestly i'm not sure i could say it would be worth it.

I think if you could get a hold of a review sample it would be nice if you had the time to try out crossfire performance as i think that could be something that would really stand out over the other reviews out there at the moment.

 

[cadaveca]

Meh, I could be a jerk, and say that AMD knows that TPU would have no review and purposefully did not ensure someone had a sample for launch reviews, and it's becuase they do not think you guys need one, so why provide marketing to someone you're not interested in selling chips to?

I did just receive a box at my door a few minutes ago...and while it's a product for review that could use Bulldozer, no chip was in the box, unfortunately. There are some condolence prizes though.


Now I'm left doing a review with an 1100T.

 

[Crap Daddy]

It might turn out better than with the FX...

 

[bear jesus]

Meh, I could be a jark, and say that AMD knows that TPU would have no review and purposefully did not ensure someone had a sample for launch reviews, and it's becuase they do not think you guys need one, so why provide marketing to someone you're not interested in selling chips to?

Well there is a fair few AMD fan boys here but admittedly they have been rather quiet in the bulldozer threads.

With bulldozers results being so negative i'm surprised so many other sites (some seemingly much smaller, or at least smaller forum community's) got press kit's, but going by AMD's past failures at marketing it hardly surprises me that they did not get a review sample out to one of the best review sites around.

I did just receive a box at my door a few minutes ago...and while it's a product for review that could use Bulldozer, no chip was in the box, unfortunately. There are some condolence prizes though.


Now I'm left doing a review with an 1100T.

See perfect example of AMD's marketing failure, you should be showing off bulldozer in the boards it was made for and also showing off what the boards can do with bulldozer but instead you are stuck with the past generation which they intend to kill off relatively soon, to me that seams like a wasted opportunity for AMD, i guess also for the board maker as as well.... damn some company needs to get you a bulldozer chip so you can show off their products in they way they should be.

 

[cadaveca]

damn some company needs to get you a bulldozer chip so you can show off their products in they way they should be.

I have been asking, but these companies need to get AMD's approval to send out ES parts, and I don't think any board maker is gonna buy retail chips.


And if these companies do actually ask on my behalf, and I do not get one, I guess it's clear that I get no love from AMD.

That's not gonna stop me from doing reviews, though.

I'm kind of upset about the whole thing, merely becuase I really did have the time to do a review..but at the same time, with pretty much every other site hosting reviews, you guys get the info you need, just not from me personally.

As I've said before, if companies do not send me samples, there must be a problem with the product. This just adds weight to that.

 

[EarthDog]

In short, FX-8150 gives you:

• 90~95% the performance of Core i7-2600K
• 24% lower price
• Roughly 22% greater performance per dollar
• Overclocks like Chuck Norris

No fail.

Jesus... glass half full much? Sounds like your ear is not on the proverbial train tracks man...

90~95% the performance of Core i7-2600K

In multi threaded apps. Single core not close to that number.

24% lower price

Depends on where you shop. At Microcenter in the states, you can get a 2600k for $279 and a 2500k for $179. Currently at newegg you can get the 8150 for a gouging ripoff of $280, and the 2600k for $315. Seems a bit less than 24%...

Roughly 22% greater performance per dollar

Based on what?

Overclocks like Chuck Norris

Finally...something we would all agree with.

I have been asking, but these companies need to get AMD's approval to send out ES parts, and I don't think any board maker is gonna buy retail chips.


And if these companies do actually ask on my behalf, and I do not get one, I guess it's clear that I get no love from AMD.

That's not gonna stop me from doing reviews, though.

I'm kind of upset about the whole thing, merely becuase I really did have the time to do a review..but at the same time, with pretty much every other site hosting reviews, you guys get the info you need, just not from me personally.

As I've said before, if companies do not send me samples, there must be a problem with the product. This just adds weight to that.

This site needs to step up for you and throw its weight around. I am absolutely floored TPU doesnt have one...

 

[bear jesus]

I have been asking, but these companies need to get AMD's approval to send out ES parts, and I don't think any board maker is gonna buy retail chips.


And if these companies do actually ask on my behalf, and I do not get one, I guess it's clear that I get no love from AMD.

That's not gonna stop me from doing reviews, though.

I'm kind of upset about the whole thing, merely becuase I really did have the time to do a review..but at the same time, with pretty much every other site hosting reviews, you guys get the info you need, just not from me personally.

As I've said before, if companies do not send me samples, there must be a problem with the product. This just adds weight to that.

Really i only scanned through some graphs on other sites when they started popping up as i was expecting that there would be a review here and i wanted to read it here so i'm a little upset with AMD for not giving me what i wanted

But i thought with the number of AMD fan boys on here and the fact that many people seam to think TPU is bias in AMDs favor it would make sense marketing wise although then again they may not want you bursting the bubble of the fan boys here.

I would hope a company could get you a bulldozer sample, if not i'm willing to agree AMD is scared to let you have one as they know how bad bulldozer looks and they know you would tell it how it is.

Either way i hope Intel has more marketing sense and you get a sandy bridge E chip.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

The epic returns as a complite fail.

A giant fircking MEH.

 

[cadaveca]

This site needs to step up for you and throw its weight around. I am absolutely floored TPU doesnt have one...

This doesn't really have anything to do with TPU, IMHO. This is 100% between me and AMD, and I didn't really expect to get anything outta AMD while being so critical of them. Not everyone can handle my personality well.

At the same time though, every time leaked info came out, release dates etc, I knew when things were right, and when they were wrong. FX = overclocking, not performance, power consumption will be high, etc...I didn't need a chip in my hands to know what was up, and that people were going to be disappointed.

Technically, the only thing I've learned from all these reviews is that I can still trust my gut.



All that said, I can spin this however I like. As I've said before, I'm the motherboard reviewer, so for me to actually expect a chip review kit isn't exactly realistic. I'm just mad and jealous beucase I haven't reviewed the board in the kit either, so I could have had two reviews out of the kit. Would have been a good opportunity for me. I'll just have to make shit happen myself.

 

[btarunr]

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Processors ...

 

[nt300]

When is Microsoft and/or AMD going to release a patch to FIX this problem? Bulldozer is underperforming by as much as 15% right now...

AMD also shared with us that Windows 7 isn't really all that optimized for Bulldozer. Given AMD's unique multi-core module architecture, the OS scheduler needs to know when to place threads on a single module (with shared caches) vs. on separate modules with dedicated caches. Windows 7's scheduler isn't aware of Bulldozer's architecture and as a result sort of places threads wherever it sees fit, regardless of optimal placement. Windows 8 is expected to correct this,
LINK:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/11

 

[cadaveca]

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Processors ...

Got a link for a Canadian retailer, or was this launch US-only?

 

[entropy13]

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Processors ...

AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz 8MB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cac...

 

[bear jesus]

All that said, I can spin this however I like. As I've said before, I'm the motherboard reviewer, so for me to actually expect a chip review kit isn't exactly realistic. I'm just mad and jealous beucase I haven't reviewed the board in the kit either, so I could have had two reviews out of the kit. Would have been a good opportunity for me. I'll just have to make shit happen myself.

I never even thought about the board in the press kit, that just makes me more unhappy with AMD as it's a board i would have liked to see you review.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

this is true but really only matters if that is something you are "concerned" about...

i live in an apartment where electricity is covered for me, so i don't care how much power it sucks up haha

@ 4.6 ghz an 8150 sucks in excess of 500 watts, @ 5ghz a 2600k barely breaks 300 watts, not to mention the 8150 seems to run slightly hotter.

 

[catnipkiller]

Thank god and erocker for my 1100t. AMD you let me down this round.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Too expensive. Wasn't the suggested price 245$? Which anyway you put it it's still to expensive. After the performance dissapointment follows the pricing fiasco.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

When is Microsoft and/or AMD going to release a patch to FIX this problem? Bulldozer is underperforming by as much as 15% right now...

AMD also shared with us that Windows 7 isn't really all that optimized for Bulldozer. Given AMD's unique multi-core module architecture, the OS scheduler needs to know when to place threads on a single module (with shared caches) vs. on separate modules with dedicated caches. Windows 7's scheduler isn't aware of Bulldozer's architecture and as a result sort of places threads wherever it sees fit, regardless of optimal placement. Windows 8 is expected to correct this,
LINK:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/11

The RC is supposed to drop around the end of this year or Feb of 2012 at the latest.

 

[suraswami]

AMD also shared with us that Windows 7 isn't really all that optimized for Bulldozer. Given AMD's unique multi-core module architecture, the OS scheduler needs to know when to place threads on a single module (with shared caches) vs. on separate modules with dedicated caches. Windows 7's scheduler isn't aware of Bulldozer's architecture and as a result sort of places threads wherever it sees fit, regardless of optimal placement. Windows 8 is expected to correct this,
LINK:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/11

so that means the FX should match the SB on a single threaded app right? I don't see that. This means they just put blame on something else to cover their failure.

May be somebody can do a Windows 2K8 R2 or a Linux server OS review with the FX and SB for a side by side multi-core performance, Database performance, multiple VMs, video streaming etc etc. I am sure server OS has better scheduler (even though 2K8 R2 and W7 has the same kernel and base).

Seems Like I will be better off spending money to upgrade my Video card to 2 x 6870 and keep my cheap $80 PII 555 unlocked to PII x4 @ 4 Ghz. May be I will just add a 1100T too.

And oh I was waiting to build a new machine, I would rather build one with the FM1 socket CPU.

 

[btarunr]

Got a link for a Canadian retailer, or was this launch US-only?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=

 

[EarthDog]

This doesn't really have anything to do with TPU, IMHO. This is 100% between me and AMD, and I didn't really expect to get anything outta AMD while being so critical of them. Not everyone can handle my personality well.

At the same time though, every time leaked info came out, release dates etc, I knew when things were right, and when they were wrong. FX = overclocking, not performance, power consumption will be high, etc...I didn't need a chip in my hands to know what was up, and that people were going to be disappointed.

Technically, the only thing I've learned from all these reviews is that I can still trust my gut.



All that said, I can spin this however I like. As I've said before, I'm the motherboard reviewer, so for me to actually expect a chip review kit isn't exactly realistic. I'm just mad and jealous beucase I haven't reviewed the board in the kit either, so I could have had two reviews out of the kit. Would have been a good opportunity for me. I'll just have to make shit happen myself.

Oh sorry, I(we) go through our website for reviews... Im associated directly with the website as an editor and it gives me(our team) a lot more clout.

 

[cadaveca]

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=

Newegg is NOT a Canadian retailer. Shipping and duty charges would bring that price up to about $350 for the 8150. I need one on this side of the border.

Oh sorry, I(we) go through our website for reviews... Im associated directly with the website as an editor and it gives me(our team) a lot more clout.

I have no issues getting boards or other stuff. AMD marketing is fail, and that is all. They are letting personal feelings get in the way of doing their job properly. I go through the "proper channels", as you do, so really, i cannot say that this has anything to do with TPU. I asked for chips long ago.

 

[btarunr]

Newegg is NOT a Canadian retailer. Shipping and duty charges would bring that price up to about $350 for the 8150.

I thought Newegg.ca is a Canadian franchisee of Newegg.com, and that the price (of product and shipping charges) you see is what you end up paying?

 

[cadaveca]

I thought Newegg.ca is a Canadian franchisee of Newegg.com, and that the price (of product and shipping charges) you see is what you end up paying?

Sure, BTA, at checkout, that's what I pay. Then, shipping up here is crazy expensive, and all stuff from newegg ships from state-side, so when it crosses the border, i get charged taxes. I do not pay these taxes, in the end, but I must pay them when packages arrive and then submit to the gov to get my money back, becuase these shipping companies are doing it wrong, so they can charge handling fees, which I will NOT get back.

It will also take about three weeks to get here, because they only offer select shipping companies, who have set policies that prevent that situation from being as you think. I wish it WAS how you say, but alas, it's not.

Expidited shipping costs $32.99, and still takes 5-7 business days. Newegg does not charge me tax, but I would be assessed taxes at the border, 100%, becuase it's Purolator. Only USPS will not charge me duty charges or taxes, and they are not an option for shipping at Newegg to Canada.