AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors

[SL2]

Sarcasm in a previous message has no effect on [a true statement in a subsequent post that is citing the previous message without /s]. If I wanted to react to the whole previous message, then the /s would be included in my post.

Maybe you didn't miss the sarcasm, but you did indeed miss the context. This has already been explained.

 

[AusWolf]

Higher IPC with similar clock speeds and lower TDP. Very interesting! I hope this all translates to easier cooling as well, but considering the denser node, I have my doubts.

 

[Onasi]

Higher IPC with similar clock speeds and lower TDP. Very interesting! I hope this all translates to easier cooling as well, but considering the denser node, I have my doubts.

The F.A.T. IHS is also here to stay, so…

 

[AusWolf]

The F.A.T. IHS is also here to stay, so…

So is the offset compute die location, unfortunately.

 

[atomsymbol]

Maybe you didn't miss the sarcasm, but you did indeed miss the context. This has already been explained.

Well, yes, it is very likely that somebody already explained it somewhere, and that there is some kind of a context mismatch.

 

[Erazor6000]

Zen 5 has ~31% IPC gain over Zen 3.
Combined with 3D V-Cache, R7 9800X3D should have а perceivable performance increase over R7 5800X3D in games. I assume the difference will be from 10% to 40% more fps, depending on the game.
I bought my R7 5800X3D more than two years ago and won't replace it until R7 9800X3D comes out.

 

[Kapone33]

Zen 5 has ~31% IPC gain over Zen 3.
Combined with 3D V-Cache, R7 9800X3D should have а perceivable performance increase over R7 5800X3D in games. I assume the difference will be from 10% to 40% more fps, depending on the game.
I bought my R7 5800X3D more than two years ago and won't replace it until R7 9800X3D comes out.

The 7900X3D delivers between 3-5 more GB/s to my 7900XT vs the 5800X3D. The next chip should be stupid fast.

 

[Ayhamb99]

This looks promising to be honest, also AMD seems to have learned from their mistake from the original 7000s release with the Ryzen 7 and 5 skus having lower TDPs, no need to have to increase it beyond 65W TDP to get that 1-2% more performance.


With Intel Arrow lake also on the horizon with the new architecture, this generation looks to be fire. Hopefully Intel nails the new architecture.

I find it funny that no one comments on this. It was kind of exected, but not a given.

Still I would take this with a grain of salt. I know some unfortunate folks who are still stuck with the likes of sTRX4. B350 and X370 got support for Zen 3 a whole year after the release around the time that Alder Lake released, after so many people upgraded their mobos to be able to use Zen 3. You best believe it that if Intel screws up the new gen and falls back for a year or so, AMD might try to capitalise and pull moves like that again with their later generations

 

[SL2]

Still I would take this with a grain of salt. I know some unfortunate folks who are still stuck with the likes of sTRX4.

I have no explanation for TRX4. As for AM4, my guess is that AMD didn't anticipate the hardware requirements for storing all those SKU's. At least they changed ther mind, eventually.

 

[gurusmi]

I will be in need of a new CPU end of this year. Till then there are a few price drops and also there is more information about the Speed sweetspot of the RAM. Till then there are also some (for me) useless reviews out. I'm interested about the new speed at heavy programmed Excel and 3D slicing. My Project spreadsheet takes around 15Mins to completly recalculate at my 3800X. I will definitly go for a 9950X. If i will also buy a new motherboard isn't answered yet. I got a Asus Proart X670E. What for i will need USB4 is unclear. My 3D Printers still work om USB2 Sticks. Nightly Backups can also run on USB3 without any problem.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

will this run 8000mhz "properly"..lol

I'd like to see my E-Peen numbers on a high..

 

[rrrrex]

High memory clock at X870 chipset

Does it mean new I/O chip? And why do they say that chipset affect on memory clock, it's not LGA775 chipset, CPU is directly connected to memory.

 

[SL2]

Does it mean new I/O chip?

I didn't think so? Maybe just slightly improved.

 

[Noyand]

Does it mean new I/O chip? And why do they say that chipset affect on memory clock, it's not LGA775 chipset, CPU is directly connected to memory.

I think that the tracing might be better on those new motherboards. Intel had the same thing happening with z690 and z790 board

 

[Onasi]

Does it mean new I/O chip? And why do they say that chipset affect on memory clock, it's not LGA775 chipset, CPU is directly connected to memory.

The IMC is on the CPU, chipset has no bearing on memory, you are correct. And the cIOD is the same. I expect what they mean is just higher possible pre-baked EXPO profiles that will still run at 2:1 FCLK. Probably because of better tracing. So, still not optimal. It’s a strange statement, I agree.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I remember when they showed off 7000 series I was underwhelmed but reviews ended up being more positive.... Hoping for kinda the same with this.... AMD supporting the socket till 2027 with new cpu was probably the best announcement they made imho though.

 

[Ayhamb99]

I have no explanation for TRX4. As for AM4, my guess is that AMD didn't anticipate the hardware requirements for storing all those SKU's. At least they changed ther mind, eventually.

From what i remember, B450 and X570 were not going to receive support originally before the launch of Zen 3 , After a ton of backlash from folks online they thankfully changed their mind.

As for B350 and X370, support for Zen 3 happened around the time that Alder Lake came out, a full year after the release of Zen 3. At that point most of the folks that i knew that wanted to go up to Zen 3 but had X370/B350 motherboards ended up upgrading to X570 and later B550. At that time with Intel's not so strong 10th gen and the disastrous 11th gen before 12th gen alder lake, AMD were leading so like they could afford to do this.

I just hope that when they say support until 2027, they actually mean proper support and with no strings/bs attached that will result in someone having to buy a new motherboard down the road before the eventual socket change to AM6.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

they actually mean proper support and with no strings/bs attached

you can't be really sure..the term "support" can vary on meaning depending on who's reading..as far as track record goes, its mainly BIOS/AGESA Firmware updates fixing issues on AM4 after Zen 4 launched..if your expecting newer SKU's then probably just refreshes would magically happen like what happened on AM4.. (refresh APU's and the "XT" SKU's)

 

[JWNoctis]

From what i remember, B450 and X570 were not going to receive support originally before the launch of Zen 3 , After a ton of backlash from folks online they thankfully changed their mind.

As for B350 and X370, support for Zen 3 happened around the time that Alder Lake came out, a full year after the release of Zen 3. At that point most of the folks that i knew that wanted to go up to Zen 3 but had X370/B350 motherboards ended up upgrading to X570 and later B550. At that time with Intel's not so strong 10th gen and the disastrous 11th gen before 12th gen alder lake, AMD were leading so like they could afford to do this.

I just hope that when they say support until 2027, they actually mean proper support and with no strings/bs attached that will result in someone having to buy a new motherboard down the road before the eventual socket change to AM6.

Hopefully they'd learned their lesson from the bad PR of that one. 4x32(40)bit of DDR5, 28 lanes of PCIe 4.0/5.0, and 4x10Gbps USB with optional DP should last quite a while for any home user. The only thing one could truly expect to miss out would probably be a hypothetical new chipset on PCIe 5.0 x4 link, and whatever new connector standard that got popular.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I just hope that when they say support until 2027, they actually mean proper support and with no strings/bs attached that will result in someone having to buy a new motherboard down the road before the eventual socket change to AM6.

You'd think they'd have learned from the whole AM4 debacle but as an X670E owner now I'm ok with it being slightly staggered if that means better stability I'm ok with it. I'm guessing the successor to the 9800X3D will be the first cpu worth upgrading to anyways but I will likely wait till the last supported chip on my motherboard.

Honestly the majority of X370/B350 boards were really terrible I worked with 8 different models and didn't really care for any of them the same can't be said of X670/B650 Most of them above 200 usd are pretty great just a bit overpriced.

I'm still excited for these and whatever intel is doing with ArrowLake though.... I have a secondary system I may update later this year early next and hopefully intel gets that purchase.

 

[Assimilator]

Still only 28 PCIe lanes from the CPU means I'll be sticking with my TR system for the foreseeable future.

 

[Daven]

The IMC is on the CPU, chipset has no bearing on memory, you are correct. And the cIOD is the same. I expect what they mean is just higher possible pre-baked EXPO profiles that will still run at 2:1 FCLK. Probably because of better tracing. So, still not optimal. It’s a strange statement, I agree.

The IMC is inside the cIOD. It’s always been that way since Zen 2.

 

[Onasi]

The IMC is inside the cIOD. It’s always been that way since Zen 2.

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…I don’t believe I stated differently? Is the cIOD not part of the CPU?

 

[Daven]

…I don’t believe I stated differently? Is the cIOD not part of the CPU?

I believe rrrrex meant cIOD when talking about a potential new I/O chip. Which is also confusing to me. Did AMD improve the memory controller or not?

 

[Onasi]

I believe rrrrrx meant cIOD when talking about a potential new I/O chip. Which is also confusing to me. Did AMD improve the memory controller or not?

That’s the weird thing - the cIOD is the same. But they do advertise higher speeds on X870 chipset. So I am not sure how that works. Apparently, from previous rumors it goes to 8000 EXPO.