AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

[xenocide]

Sorry but AMD's single 7970 crad has better frametimes than NV's GTX680...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Dissected-Full-Details-Capture-based-Graphics-Performance-Testin

I might save that link for whenever someone recommends a user goes Crossfire...

 

[badtaylorx]

oh no....i buy cards from both camps....but only on the "even" numbered series'


not sure why...just how ive been doing it sincebeenpimpn!!!
4850 to 460 than sli to 6970 than crossfire to 670 now sli....

but this one could get expensive.....

 

[ST-Cyclone921R]

I resampled the diagram and tried to read the module tags, couldn't read all. but here is what I could

https://twitter.com/ST_Cyclone/status/332119099121479681/photo/1

ARM Cortex Co-processor, ECC ram are interesting, but what blew me away was the Hyper-transport links! pleeeeease tell me this will aid/accelerate the PCI-E bottleneck!

 

[Slacker]

Getting off topic here, Hawaii isn't part of the Pacific Ring of Fire. It ain't a composite volcano sow why name it that? Amd needa hire some people that really know their stuff.

 

[Jorge]

Since AMD has plenty of excellent GPU cards available right now, the Q4 of '13 release of the new series should be just fine, IMO. Only extremists buy the $300+ GPU cards. The majority of consumers including enthusiasts don't spend over ~$300 on a GPU card.

It appears to me that AMD is really ramping the good products that they have had in development for years be it GPU or CPU/APU models. This is nice to see and good for consumers.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Sorry but AMD's single 7970 crad has better frametimes than NV's GTX680...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Dissected-Full-Details-Capture-based-Graphics-Performance-Testin

I might be blind but I'm not seeing it and i just checked every graph. they are nearly identical.

 

[OnePostWonder]

Question for W1zzard or anyone else who might know:

Will a micro-architecture change like this dramatically affect the approach you have to take for supporting this in GPU-Z?

 

[Casecutter]

As said on 5 days ago

honestly don't think AMD is being "lethargic or has console-fixation" (more banter), but saying (in an Italian accent) No please, I insist you's go first... AMD has gone first the last two times and Nvidia's just played "one-up's-man-ship". I sense AMD would rather wait and see what Nvidia does, then could they go all "4870" on them.

This is more interesting than I thought it would get, if this is true it's going to be a stagnate 6 months. And I might be wrong! Nvidia might... might wise-up and drop all their GTX7XX prices to grab sales before this information really gets traction.

If this is the course AMD is on they have been working on this for more than year... But it's hard to know how well this can be pulled off on 20Nm. Had they said 28Nm I would've seen this as simple, but to complicate it on a TSMC shrink.

But you can kind of feel how the camps are liking or disliking this 20Nm.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/..._Is_Ahead_of_Its_Own_20nm_Roadmap_Report.html

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

Getting off topic here, Hawaii isn't part of the Pacific Ring of Fire. It ain't a composite volcano sow why name it that? Amd needa hire some people that really know their stuff.

The code name is just "Volcanic Islands". Not sure who else is actual fixating on "Pacific Ring of Fire", maybe just btarunr at this point... Hawaii Islands were formed by a volcano the last I heard.

 

[Sihastru]

Relax guys, "16 serial processor core" or maybe a better term would be "16 serial and parallel processing cores" is just something similar to NVIDIA's "SMX Unit" (or "Streaming Multiprocessor Unit"). It has nothing to do with x86 or ARM.

For example GTX 680 has 8 of these "processing cores", GTX 690 has 16, GeForce TITAN has 14 enabled (from a total of 15).

All the other bling-blings, they are reserved for the "professional" FirePro series and will most likely be disabled for the mainstream Radeon series.

The good news is that it looks like a card that could compete against GTX 690. The bad news is that it's not actually going to compete against GTX 690, but something new, much more powerful, NVIDIA's next (next) gen.

 

[BigMack70]

Cool... if they do this and fix their stuttering issues, consumers win big time. Right now consumers are kinda getting screwed at the $1k price mark.

I honestly prefer this 2 year refresh cycle - I'd rather see substantive improvements ever 2-3 years than incremental improvements every 12-16 months.

 

[FrustratedGarrett]

Looks impressive, on paper. If they manage to pull this off by December and price the 2X-7970 performer at ~$400 MSRP, then AMD will have a big winner on their hands.

 

[ST-Cyclone921R]

Relax guys, "16 serial processor core" or maybe a better term would be "16 serial and parallel processing cores" is just something similar to NVIDIA's "SMX Unit" (or "Streaming Multiprocessor Unit"). It has nothing to do with x86 or ARM.

For example GTX 680 has 8 of these "processing cores", GTX 690 has 16, GeForce TITAN has 14 enabled (from a total of 15).

All the other bling-blings, they are reserved for the "professional" FirePro series and will most likely be disabled for the mainstream Radeon series.

The good news is that it looks like a card that could compete against GTX 690. The bad news is that it's not actually going to compete against GTX 690, but something new, much more powerful, NVIDIA's next (next) gen.

emmm .. not really....

nVidia's term "SMX" is their marketing name for blocks stream processors (shader units, ALU's...etc.) Building block with its own front end (rasterizer) and back end (ROPS). And they are massively parallel processors.

Serial Units Above, are from their name; Serial. and AMD has two "serial" architecture licenses, x86 and ARM, and its not hard to guess which they opted for

 

[BigMack70]

Looks impressive, on paper. If they manage to pull this off by December and price the 2X-7970 performer at ~$400 MSRP, then AMD will have a big winner on their hands.

Did I miss something about performance being at 2x7970 levels? I would be really surprised if they pulled that off... it would mean that they have a chip ~40%+ faster than the Titan. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see that, but that sounds a little extreme to me.

I would expect them to do something more like match the Titan, i.e. 7970 + 40% performance.

 

[Mathragh]

Did I miss something about performance being at 2x7970 levels? I would be really surprised if they pulled that off... it would mean that they have a chip ~40%+ faster than the Titan. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see that, but that sounds a little extreme to me.

I would expect them to do something more like match the Titan, i.e. 7970 + 40% performance.

Pure theoretical peak performance would be around 2x the 7970 on parallel execution units alone( 7970 has 2048 shaders, this chip has 4096). On top of that I suppose all the other changes in the architecture are there to further improve performance, not decrease it, resulting in over 2 times 7970 performance.
Add in some overhead, and we're back at 2x 7970(with a major grain of salt)


sooo, 2x 7970 doesnt sound that far off(as said with a major grain of salt).

 

[BigMack70]

Pure theoretical peak performance would be around 2x the 7970 on parallel execution units alone( 7970 has 2048 shaders, this chip has 4096). On top of that I suppose all the other changes in the architecture are there to further improve performance, not decrease it, resulting in over 2 times 7970 performance.
Add in some overhead, and we're back at 2x 7970(with a major grain of salt)


sooo, 2x 7970 doesnt sound that far off(as said with a major grain of salt).

Interesting. Well, I guess we'll know in a few months! At least now I know what timeframe I need to sell off my 7970s in

 

[Casecutter]

Just wondering could this be on GlobalFoundries 20nm? A year ago the process was "crowning"; may have AMD been working on this with them? AMD really just needs a card to off-set Titan LE at the high-end the rest of the Southern Island 7XXX still rivals the re-branded GTX770 on down. That could mean AMD has perhaps time to nurture the relationship with the new partner?

 

[FrustratedGarrett]

Did I miss something about performance being at 2x7970 levels? I would be really surprised if they pulled that off... it would mean that they have a chip ~40%+ faster than the Titan. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see that, but that sounds a little extreme to me.

I would expect them to do something more like match the Titan, i.e. 7970 + 40% performance.

Actually, they would have a product that's (2x / 1.3x ~ 1.55) ~55% faster than Titan.

 

[BigMack70]

Actually, they would have a product that's (2x / 1.3x ~ 1.55) ~55% faster than Titan.

I was just thinking of the regular 7970, not the GHz edition

 

[Mathragh]

This might not be so new btw, someone at tweakers.net forums showed that this picture has actually been floating around the webs quite a while now:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8091090@N02/8006861851/in/photostream/

So it could either actually be really old news, or a fake.

 

[TheHunter]

Nice this looks like a perfect upgrade.


There is never enough powaah!! Yes even at 1080P and newer titles.



Although im a bit confused about this part

16 serial processor units
4 geometry engines

So in reality it will have 16*4 = 64 CU?

Just wondering could this be on GlobalFoundries 20nm? A year ago the process was "crowning"; may have AMD been working on this with them?

I read it once that AMD has 3 fabs to chose from and there wont be any delays because of it.

 

[tastegw]

Looking great so far, looks like Godzilla is coming. If its better than my titan, I'll be selling when it comes out.

 

[TheHunter]

Of course it will be better then Titan, Titan looks like a joke compared to this

 

[drdeathx]

Sorry but if this is indeed a new architecture I will be going with Nvidia. AMD has barely got the 7xxx Series working properly and theres still the microstutter issue.

That's ludicrous untill you see the performance IMO. Looks like this may blow Nvidea out of the water.

 

[W1zzard]

Of course it will be better then Titan, Titan looks like a joke compared to this

you can buy titan today, and it's tested to be fast and stable with decent power consumption, low fan noise and no coil noise.

this slide might be a pipedream of some chinese forum user who's laughing his ass off now

 

[TheHunter]

True, but what if you're not in a hurry? Why cash out absurd 1000$ and if a ~600$ gpu later stomps all over it


Imo VI vs GK110 is like GK110 vs GF110, if not even a bigger gap.