AMD's First 28 nm GPUs in December

[John Doe]

But yet noone slammed the i7 9xx series when intel did it? I am sick of all the BD is crap, I am mad at AMD hype. I am not saying to NOT get an intel chip nor am being fanboyish here nor is my intentions to be taken derogatory.

People did, but the Nehalem was a revolutionary chip. It opened gates for QPI, saved Intel from FSB (which was their bottleneck against AMD's HT) and to this date, it still offers very good performance. BD on the other hand is late, slower and a leaking chip. It's up there with my old i7 870 which I find to be a better choice due to it's power consumption...

 

[Inceptor]

And yet they will be in order to create reason to post something on that topic
There's no room for even handed discussion on a tech forum

 

[micropage7]

in december? looks serious or just to get market's attention since their BD aint heard at all

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

I thought the 7xxx series was going to be for mobile platforms.

 

[JrRacinFan]

People did, but the Nehalem was a revolutionary chip. It opened gates for QPI, saved Intel from FSB (which was their bottleneck against AMD's HT) and to this date, it still offers very good performance. BD on the other hand is late, slower and a leaking chip. It's up there with my old i7 870 which I find to be a better choice due to it's power consumption...

But yet BD still outperforms both with the same power consumption. I am done for now and won't go any further with this discussion as it's leading this news into a different topic. I am sorry guys.

 

[John Doe]

But yet BD still outperforms both with the same power consumption. I am done for now and won't go any further with this discussion as it's leading this news into a different topic. I am sorry guys.

No, it doesn't. Where are you getting your info from? Even in WinRar benches I saw, there were times BD performed worse than Phenom. Let alone games where Intel processors take the lead. Show me proof that BD outperforms a Bloomfield. Those chips had low stock clocks. But they OCed solid and once you do, you can outperform Bulldozer even with a P55. With a mobo like the P55 UD7, and an i7 875K, you can OC that platform up to 4.5. Yet in a lower profile/power pulled. The P55 does well against X58 due to the rehashed architecture. It is capable of beating BD, it has a clock-per-clock advantage.

 

[JrRacinFan]

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...2600k-review-test-system-and-methodology.html

870/2600k comparison
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/107?vs=287

870/920 comparison
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/107?vs=47

Going between those links one can deduce that the fx8150 outperforms.

 

[jpierce55]

I don't expect big performance increases from either company this time around. G-cards have already become powerful enough they need to slow down for sales sakes. $150 gets a powerful enough g-card for most gamers as it is. They don't want low end cards to be good enough for gamers!

If g-cards get cheaper and more power efficient that is a good thing. I'll take it.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

i expect performance WILL jump because were not stuck at the same node

we've been stuck on 40nm for nearly 3-4 years now. 28nm is the first node change

people need to remember

4770 = 40nm
5000 series = 40nm
6000 series = 40nm

40nm node has been used across 3 generations of GPUs this is the first true node change in a LONG time, so we should see a nice jump in performance, something similar to the 4000 series to 5000 series performance jump.

 

[John Doe]

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...2600k-review-test-system-and-methodology.html

870/2600k comparison
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/107?vs=287

870/920 comparison
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/107?vs=47

Going between those links one can deduce that the fx8150 outperforms.

You can not "go between links". They're completely different -- both hardware and software wise. If you realized, the 870 did well against the 920. Also, it has a low stock clock and can OC beyond. Even at 4 Ghz, it trails BD while pulling much less power. Not the mention the age of that hardware. Your logic is false.

 

[erocker]

Why are people talking about Bulldozer/CPU's in this thread? Please save it for the Bulldozer threads.

 

[HossHuge]

i expect performance WILL jump because were not stuck at the same node

we've been stuck on 40nm for nearly 3-4 years now. 28nm is the first node change

people need to remember

4770 = 40nm
5000 series = 40nm
6000 series = 40nm

People need to remember.....

The 4770 came out almost a year after the 4850/70 came out and only about 5 months before the 5850/70 so it's been about 2.5 years.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

okay and in december its been 3 years by the time spring rolls around and high end 7970 comes out it will be 3.5 years so my point stands

40nm will have been in use for 3-4 years.

April 28, 2009 4770 released
5 months later
September 23, 2009 5800 series released
14 months later
November 12, 2010 6900 series released
13 months later
December 2011, low end 7000 series released
Spring 2012 high end 7000 released

32 months that 40nm has been used up to low end 7000 series

march is the expected release for high end 7000 / GTX 600 series so add on 3 more months

thats 35 months or just about 3 full years add in the fact that availability is always short on launch means things wont be in full swing for a few more months after the fact

 

[Casecutter]

It's the pipe cleaner we'd hope for and to that point great news. Even if btarunr likes being derogatory about it, hopefully it saying AMD/ATI is still on track. And sure even though we’d all like something new the graphics business overall is not in any slug-fest. Meaning AMD has the opportunity to pace themselves.

But where will they place this is the question... I don't see them starting a release of 7XXX… it could be for the mobile market. That has some merit as they have mobile Llano to take better than entry piece of the market, so it might be a shot in the arm to release a very performance oriented mobile to take away from Nvidia’s top mobile solutions. Have any Llano laptop mobo included a MXM connector? It would be interesting if they optimized the 28Nm part to Hybrid-Crossfire in laptops with discrete graphics, like say the HP dv6-6135dx if you could switch them out.

The last and what we'd hope is a 128-Bit 67XX... why couldn’t they do as a 6780 there no reason to hold to a conventional matrix at that point?

 

[jamsbong]

the 28nm GPU that is expected out in Dec will not be a high end one. It will be like the 4770. ATI is testing the 28nm tech on a mid-low end GPU. Once they work out the bugs and limitations, they will then produce some high end GPUs. That is always the ATI formula.

Personally, I think AMD should be rename as ATI. AMD's CPU has been an embarrassment for so many years now. ATI success and Intel's pot of money is responsible for saving AMD from total failure.

 

[v12dock]

AMD can make GPUs but can't make CPUs...

Intel can make CPUs but can't make a GPUs...

 

[Platibus]

All I hope is that whatever AMD releases is around the $150 figure, that's a win-win situation for me.

 

[eidairaman1]

Suspect 4770 again?

 

[Goodman]

I am pretty sure it's just a paper launch or a demo card & we will see nothing hardware wise for sale before next spring IMO

I also could be wrong so no need to quote me on this...

 

[Casecutter]

AMD can make GPUs but can't make CPUs...

Intel can make CPUs but can't make a GPUs...

AMD sells both CPU's and GPU's (spec's mobo design and layout and maybe specs memory), Intel CPU's and mobos.

I'm thinking a OEM card, to help make FX really attractive for Acer, Dell, Lenovo.
AMD a "total solution provider".

 

[micropage7]

28nm? yeah, i hope it will decrease power consumption and the heat too

 

[happita]

the 28nm GPU that is expected out in Dec will not be a high end one. It will be like the 4770. ATI is testing the 28nm tech on a mid-low end GPU. Once they work out the bugs and limitations, they will then produce some high end GPUs. That is always the ATI formula.

Actually, that formula only started when they decided to switch it up and release the 4770 on a smaller node before switching series to 5xxx. Before that, they did the same thing Nvidia was doing before changing their strategy. It worked out extremely well for them, maybe they're thinking they will have the same success with the 7xxx series, who knows. More experience with something always makes you more efficient as we all know