That's a load of ***. No offense.
No, I am not the type. The 4090 is way out of my comfortable zone of spending for a toy. Even the 9070 XT is, but since I'm not planning to upgrade for the next 2-3 generations, I'll swallow it just for this once.
Edit: I'm also not the type to use the word "invest" to describe buying something that depreciates faster in value than a used electric car, purely for personal entertainment.
Speculation.
Didn't see this post earlier. I really don't want to fight because when I tell people stuff like this they almost *never* remember. I look like an ass now for going out on a limb and they don't care when I'm right pretty soon afterwards. It's the same way 3080 hasn't held up well for
1440p raster or
1080pRT, 4080 isn't holding up well (for native
1440pRT, barely
1080p native [60fps in that scenario is a good example of n48]) and suffers in 1080p->4k upscaling bc DLSS4 perf hit (<60fps), and 4070ti for
native/
upscaling 1080pRT...all true and all I explained to people before they happened (much to them saying the same things you are; again, I was right). Just remember, it's much easier to make current observations than to extrapolate (sometimes even the near) future. Even those current observations are difficult for some to understand.
Point is,
why are people buying cards for those features if they can't hold up for even one generation? IMO it's trickery from nVIDIA to spur constant upgrades, and it pisses me off because people JUST DON'T GET IT.
It's really not a load of shit. Look at 4070ti right now; slipping from 1440p to 1080p for raster/RT, if that.
Do people upscale ~1080p to 1440p (and sometimes 4k)? Yes they do. Does 'quality' 1440p upscaling take less raster than native 1080p? Yes it does. Is this what nVIDIA is banking on? YES IT IS. Not even 1080p.
Look at 7900xtx, which is a 4k raster card. Do some people upscale 1080pRT to 1440p/4k? Yes they do and yes they will. And 1080p up-scaling IQ sucks with FSR3 imo.
N48 is clearly aiming for 1440p raster and 1080p RT (FSR4 to 1440p/4k). This might work now, but many options we've seen (GI/FG/etc) require slightly more compute/ram. This is why
5080 falters.
Not all games are all these things.
The point I've been trying to get across about 4090 is that on 3nm that will be a '80'-level card, like-wise AMD's 7900xtx upgrade, and it has held up well for 1440pRT/4k raster. nVIDIA has prolonged this from happening on a lower tier by weird segmentation,
hence 5080 is still not a 1440pRT/4k raster card, and 7900xtx didn't have the needed arch improvements (high clock/bw/RT/ML up-scaling) for 1440pRT (or good 1080p up-scaling), but I think it will all mesh next-gen with both having decent options. It's absolutely fine if you're a mid-range guy; I also think that's a smart play.
I also think those cards don't really exist right now; a better option is 18GB on 3nm (with more compute than N48/GB203). If a 24GB 5080 existed, I would say it is that...but it
very purposely doesn't; nVIDIA does not want people to have a non-90 card that will last. nVIDIA 12GB cards need more everything for 1080p. Most 16GB cards need more compute/ram for 1440p/1080pRT (especially up-scaled higher), 5080 needs more RAM for higher-end settings to make sense long-term for 1440p. This is why this generation kind of sucks. While AMD is striking a good balance (for 1080pRT/1440R->4k up-scaling rn), I still don't think it will be enough to make people for that 'mid-range' segment happy long-term. This is partially because I don't think it's compute/ram is enough for 1440p, and partially because up-scaling IQ from 1080p->4k quality is (with FSR3) and could be (with FSR4) less than ideal.
But how do you explain that to people? Are reviews going to show a ton of 1080pRT->4k upscaling (which almost nobody currently does) and a ton of pictures comparing FSR/DLSS4 1080p->4k IQ?
Will people understand one may look better and the other may keep 60fps mins, but never the two shall meet? Which is better? I think neither are what you want.
Wait until you can have both (at similar/cheaper price), is what I would suggest.
So much of this depends of what is acceptable to an individual and games they play. That's why it's not an argument; it's a conversation.
I can prove my point and show it, though. I'm not saying it bc any affiliation.
Settings, upscale quality, running RT or not, etc; how people judge performance...it all varies.
So while people can make examples contrary to what I'm saying, I prefer explaining worse-case and best experience (60fps mins and one-step up-scaling).
This way people don't get fucked over by planned obsolescence by nVIDIA and/or even well-matched configurations, such as N48 may be from AMD, quickly being outdated for what ($) they're being sold to do.
This is why N48 should be cheaper; but you can also extrapolate they're conceivably setting this price as to not (comparatively) devalue the next-generation from also having high prices (~$1000 for a ~4090).
If N48 were priced lower (as it should be due to these deficiencies and/or inability to future-proof due to required optimal configurations rn), those cards would also have to be priced lower (~$750-800).
Likewise, those 192-bit cards that replace these cards would have to be in the range we've come to expect from AMD (~400-600) if these were. This way they can be also be ~650-750, like these cards.
I'm a futurist: I look at things and I plan, based on provable trends. You can call it speculation if you'd like. To me it's called being prepared so people don't get the rug pulled out from under them.
I also call bullshit when I (and perhaps others, although I don't really see many people talking about it) see companies making plays to skew results and/or pad margins for each tier. People deserve to know.
Even if many don't completely understand right now because a lot of these technologies and ways to judge performance (like up-scaling/RT [perf/iq]) are so new to a lot of peoples' experiences.
Most will eventually understand, I hope, even if it takes DF et al vids, but won't ever learn until someone starts to explain it all to them so they can begin to look at things this way.
With respect, you are a perfect example. IDC if you listen to me, listen to DF and everyone else as they explain this going forward in the future. I'm used to it; just remember this conversation happened earlier.
, because I care and want people to understand, but truly so many just do not...which apparently is a TON of people.
