AMD's Pinnacle Ridge Zen+ 12 nm CPUs to Launch on February 2018

[johnspack]

Just hurry the hell up already so I can buy a used 8 or 10 core cpu soon for a price that isn't stupid.

 

[Frick]

I mean like, an overclocked 1800X and stock i7 6700k. That would eliminate the clock part of the equation as they basically clock similar.

No, it's not a "fair" benchmark. But I'm still curious.

I've done this in CPU-Z on my 1800X and it basically pans out equal. But that isn't "gaming."

Here's a ton of CPU's (including Phenom II!) running at the same clocks (2.8Ghz). Ryzen is lagging, but the main thing is definitely clock speeds.

Just hurry the hell up already so I can buy a used 8 or 10 core cpu soon for a price that isn't stupid.

I would say the 1700 does not have a stupid price at < €300.

 

[R-T-B]

Here's a ton of CPU's (including Phenom II!) running at the same clocks (2.8Ghz). Ryzen is lagging, but the main thing is definitely clock speeds.



I would say the 1700 does not have a stupid price at < €300.

So it beats a 4790k. That's not bad. Not stellar either, but considering where AMD was, certainly incredible to think about.

 

[BiggieShady]

Ryzen is not on par with Skylake in games running at the same clock, despite having more computational resources. This is due to an inferior prefetcher, which results in more cache and branch misses. We'll see when Zen2 arrives…

Again with the inferior prefetcher ... one part of the latency does come from cache misses but in this case cache misses are because thread is being bounced between CCX-es and not because of inferior prefetcher.

 

[Durvelle27]

Here's a ton of CPU's (including Phenom II!) running at the same clocks (2.8Ghz). Ryzen is lagging, but the main thing is definitely clock speeds.



I would say the 1700 does not have a stupid price at < €300.

What lag I didn’t see such a thing

 

[Frick]

What lag I didn’t see such a thing

Lagging behind, as in not as fast as Skylake or Kaby Lake, in games.

 

[Durvelle27]

Lagging behind, as in not as fast as Skylake or Kaby Lake, in games.

Kaby in almost all those is barely faster than Ryzen while being almost 600MHz clocked higher. 10-20 FPS on average with 100+FPS.

i wouldn't call that lagging behind considering Ryzen is cheaper

 

[Frick]

Kaby in almost all those is barely faster than Ryzen while being almost 600MHz clocked higher. 10-20 FPS on average with 100+FPS.

i wouldn't call that lagging behind considering Ryzen is cheaper

The discussion was about Ryzen and Skylake on the same clocks, which is why I linked the page where all the tested CPUs run at 2.8Ghz.

 

[Durvelle27]

The discussion was about Ryzen and Skylake on the same clocks, which is why I linked the page where all the tested CPUs run at 2.8Ghz.

With all the processors running at the same clock frequency, we can take a closer look at the Ryzen processors' IPC in the single-row run of Cinebench. Intel Broadwell-E is closer to 4 percent higher than AMD's newcomer, while newly-shot Kaby Lake wins the field by about 7 percent better performance than Ryzen clock-by-clock.

However, in the multi-threaded part-test, the AMD Ryzen wire seems somewhat better than Broadwell-E, placing the models just above the eight-core rivals Core i7-6900K.

 

[Vayra86]

With all the processors running at the same clock frequency, we can take a closer look at the Ryzen processors' IPC in the single-row run of Cinebench. Intel Broadwell-E is closer to 4 percent higher than AMD's newcomer, while newly-shot Kaby Lake wins the field by about 7 percent better performance than Ryzen clock-by-clock.

However, in the multi-threaded part-test, the AMD Ryzen wire seems somewhat better than Broadwell-E, placing the models just above the eight-core rivals Core i7-6900K.

But that's precisely it, these two small gaps (clock potential and IPC) do add up and result in a tangible performance gap with the top-end mainstream Intel parts. A gap is a gap, let's not deny it, and its a problem AMD needs to solve ASAP, because it will make Ryzen as interesting for mainstream as TR is for HEDT. TR is actually a superior design in that segment, but Ryzen within mainstream is a concession.

 

[Vya Domus]

and its a problem AMD needs to solve ASAP.

I hope not , I don't want all CPUs to be identical. It's perfectly fine for AMD to have the core count advantage and decent single thread performance at a low price. We all know how things end up when you try to reach for the best results in every single area.

 

[eidairaman1]

People fail to realize AMD emerged from a performance/heat deficit of Bulldozer/Piledriver (atleast anything less than a 6300) and closed the gap and provides like performance of "6th, 7th gen" Core i cpus but on a better price. So it was a large leap for them, AMD is really not holding back on Threadripper or Epyc platforms either as that appears to be their big focal point (servers)

What I would like to truly see is that Threadripper and Epyc Lines use the same exact socket electrically/physically and launch 1 and 2 way Server/HEDT boards, maybe find tape tricks too like how the Athlon XPs could be made into Athlon MPs or XP-Ms

I honestly feel AMD has learned a lot on the nuances of their Ryzen lineup and is geared to make Ryzen+ and Ryzen 2 considerably better unlike minor improvements that Intel has made across the core i lineup.

 

[Vayra86]

I hope not , I don't want all CPUs to be identical. It's perfectly fine for AMD to have the core count advantage and decent single thread performance at a low price. We all know how things end up when you try to reach for the best results in every single area.

LOL yeah, you're actually in danger of becoming a market leader when you do everything right... And get good margins to fund your R&D

With a fanbase that reasons like you, AMD doesn't even need enemies!

 

[Vya Domus]

LOL yeah, you're actually in danger of becoming a market leader when you do everything right... And get good margins to fund your R&D

Look at the history of all these 30-40 years of the semiconductor industry and you'll see that the most successful products where almost never the "very best"and also not necessarily backed by astronomic R&D budgets. It's why you've got things such one of Intel's most successful chip , the Penitum 4 , everywhere despite it being objectively , garbage. I simply fail to see the value in having products that differ just by which brand tag they have slapped onto them. If you do , by all means go ahead and support such a market with your only weapon as a consumer , your wallet.

I want to have the option to buy products from different companies that have different characteristics at different price points. As it happens that's very convenient for AMD because of two reasons :

1) The days of having improvements in terms of CPU technology by an X factor across the board are long gone , most of what you can do today is push for a couple of things while trying to mitigate your losses in other areas.

2) It's the only way for them to differentiate themselves. I certainly wouldn't have been impressed by Ryzen 7 for example if it was a 4c/8t CPU at 5 Ghz for the same money as the 7700K . No reason to buy one over the other.

Thankfully , AMD understood this.

With a fanbase that reasons like you, AMD doesn't even need enemies!

I'm not part of any fanbase , it's a mindset that can prevent us from being overrun by overpriced garbage which on top of that is the same everywhere you look. Something like the smartphone industry.

Basically , you can look at it which ever way you want , you're neither right or wrong.

 

[Vayra86]

Understood, I can see your point.