Editorial AMD's Ryzen Debut: Onwards to the HEDT Market or The Stumbling Hype Train

[LAN_deRf_HA]

The only test I see the 7700k beating it at video encoding is the Anandtech HVEC 4K test. I find it odd that the 7700k is beating a lot of processors I wouldn't expect it to beat. And I almost wonder if there isn't something else odd going on there, like maybe somehow the build in HEVC encoder is being used on the 7700K instead of using CPU rendering.

Edit: Though, now that I'm looking at it again, they used Handbrake. Which in my experience has trouble using more than 4 threads. So that would make sense that the highly clocked 7700K is outperforming way more powerful 6 and 8 core processors. And why even the 6700K is able to beat the 5960X. IMO, that test is just flawed and should be ignored.

That's the one. Figured there was something wrong. I want to see some premiere 4k exports.

 

[R0H1T]

Your a review site and you failed to get your sample? but its OK linking to TOMS HARDWARE?

I must say all the hype and fake scores, sure feels like bulldozer all over again. With a CPU that can only go up to 4.2 on air, and only dual channel memory, no support for SLI(expected), hype is all it was..........

Yup, I guess everyone wanted a 5Ghz OC monster with eight channel memory & 60x pcie 4.0 lanes, while we are at it why doesn't AMD pay us to use Ryzen

 

[Vellinious]

That was W1zzard messing with Raevenlord I think.



It HAS crashed. To not crash, it had to meet every expectation of the hype train. That was impossible. This is why hype trains are bad.

I don't know of anyone with half a brain in their head, that expected single core performance to match up with the consumer grade i7s. To compete in single core performance with other workstation CPUs? Absolutely, and they do exactly that.

Again...PROFOUND STUPIDITY....

 

[Deleted member 50521]

TPU got burned on FB comments. The title on FB was really, hmm, inappropriate.

 

[phanbuey]

I am not so sure it crashed... The gaming was never the focus of the hype train... all they ever said was "it can game comparable to intel at high rez" -- which it can, and which is why all of the benchmarks were at 4K anyways.

I even got flamed in a thread for suggesting that this isn't a gaming chip (which it really isnt).

I mean 1080P gaming is all over the place but with a bit of OC and memory lovin' you wouldnt be able to tell the difference...

Anything that uses 16 threads and you would DEFINITELY be able to tell the difference. This whole architecture is a huge win.

 

[ZoneDymo]

"If you're looking for the best performer, bar none, for gaming, and have no other use for your PC's beating heart, the Core i7-7700K still remains your best performance bet"

Yep and this is why I think this line of processors will be really good for livestreamers.
They will be able to stream and play at the same time with pretty much no issues if all is well, this is also why I am personally interested in one.

 

[phanbuey]

"If you're looking for the best performer, bar none, for gaming, and have no other use for your PC's beating heart, the Core i7-7700K still remains your best performance bet"

Yep and this is why I think this line of processors will be really good for livestreamers.
The will be able to stream and play at the same time with pretty much no issues if all is well, this is also why I am personally interested in one.

I mean I have a 6700K at 4.66 and i dont even stream - but when windows decides that it's update time i can DEFINITELY tell as I start dropping frames. Windows waits to do random background crap until im in mid game, trying to hit a headshot.

Or steam with its "yay lets add some more overlays why not"....

If you play AAA titles chances are you have steam, origin, ubicrap and rockstar clients running in the back - god help you if you have razer gear because its another client that runs.

Between all the background crap my systray looks like some software baazar.

 

[coolernoob]

"oh nooo... a 499$ CPU did not smoked a 1000$ CPU in games, AMD lied to us, the train is crashed"... there is several things wrong with mindset like that:

1) if you bought 1000$ CPU for games, or gaming benchmarks - please spare your opinion because you do not know shyt nor about games, nor about CPUs;
2) assuming that for whatever reason you did bought a 1000$ CPU and want to game now - please include a budget in your system - if you wasted 500$ for CPU - substract that for other components and then compare (if there is no budget constrains - buy a 1700$ chip with 3 titans and spare your opinion once again - because it is irrelevant even for top 1% users);
3) if you need CPU for gaming - buy a i5 K and pump your money in GPU - seriously that stands true since beginning of i5's - nothing changed here - a 600$ GPU + i5 will smoke any overclocked i7 with same budget GPU (that means 400$ or less for GPU, but again if your budget is unlimited take option from my point above and be happy with it);

 

[Ebo]

I think so far that Ryzen has blown my mind away, even the hype-train hould out. AMD has done a fantastic job with the ZEN core.

I invested in I7-5820K just about 1½ year ago, and my CPU is blown out of the water, thats development(not that I like it), but thats how things change.

The money are where they have allways been, in the server market, now finally AMD has a CPU that can compete and go beyond anything that Intel has to offer.


Sometimes even the underdog lay a golden egg.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

So the short version: Its a new platform and new architecture and there are plenty of bugs and weirdness to go around. Multi-threaded workloads are amazing, gaming is so-so but significantly better than AMD FX anything.

Gamers should either buy Intel high clock speed chips or wait for platform maturity.

Content creators and streamers should consider this a real option, but remember where you can offload work to the GPU.

AMD is back but needs a little more time in the gym to up its weight class.

 

[the54thvoid]

Man, get a fucking author in. The real title should have been:

AMD's Ryzen debut signals a workstation powerhouse but the hype train stopped one station short

"Despite AMD's blisteringly successful vault into the high end of multi core tasking, the gaming prowess of it's Ryzen chip may have fallen short of it's hype train destination. That however is not the fault of AMD, nor of it's new baby chip but indeed of the slabbering masses with hyper unreal expectations. The Ryzen hype train may have come in a little bit behind the Intel inter7 7700k but what Ryzen did do was come in at all 8 platforms at once. All aboard!"

 

[R0H1T]

Man, get a fucking author in. The real title should have been:

AMD's Ryzen debut signals a workstation powerhouse but the hype train stopped one station short

"Despite AMD's blisteringly successful vault into the high end of multi core tasking, the gaming prowess of it's Ryzen chip may have fallen short of it's hype train destination. That however is not the fault of AMD, nor of it's new baby chip but indeed of the slabbering masses with hyper unreal expectations. The Ryzen hype train may have come in a little bit behind the Intel inter7 7700k but what Ryzen did do was come in at all 8 platforms at once. All aboard!"

Void for president (of the United States?)

 

[etayorius]

FB about Ryzen.

What happened with TPU .... ?

It´s obvious, no need to ask. Reason #1 why i stopped frecuenting this site.

 

[phanbuey]

"
One thing I did notice is that all the games I have looked at so far -- which is considerably more than the four shown here -- were smooth on the Ryzen processors. GTA 5 for example plays really well on the Core i7-7700K, but every now and then a small stutter can be noticed, while the 1800X runs as smooth as silk, sans stuttering from what I observed.

I found a similar situation when testing Battlefield 1. Performance was smooth with the Ryzen processors while every now and then the quad-core 7700K had a small hiccup. These were rare but it was something I didn't notice when using the 1800X and 1700X. But as smooth as the experience was, it doesn't change the fact that gamers running a high refresh rate monitor may be better served by a higher clocked Core i7-6700K or 7700K."

^^^ This... is so true... i experience this every day.

The intell z170/270 platforms hitch, and then continue bombing along at 200FPS; I would gladly trade avg fps for a hitch free performance.


http://www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/page7.html

 

[the54thvoid]

Void for president (of the United States?)

Well Trump and I are both half Scottish by blood.

 

[YautjaLord]

Well that escalated quickly? lol jk

It sure is not like a good old Athlon64/GeForce 6800 GT days back in 2004/2005 for now, does it? Marks 12 years (in July 2017) of me using their stuff (mobos & CPUs) though. Still eager to see this thing tested with 2 1080s/480s or even 1080 Tis/Vegas. In 4k. In DOOM 4/2016 + Blender running at the same time. One can dream, right? Cheers.

 

[XiGMAKiD]

It's definitely a solid start from AMD with all of it's cons

The hype train always crashed, because with hype train comes unrealistic expectation

 

[deu]

blame on low CPU clocks, even flagship 1800X only managed to reach 4.1G, meanwhile 7700k 4.2 out of the box

Just so you know: it doesnt make sense to compare 1:1 clock. Like saying: you have 2 nuts and i have one banana and therefore 2 nuts wins!

As people have explained: its is easier to reach higher clocks on a 4 core than an 8 core; therefore wait for ryzen 4 cores if you want to battle 7700K in clock

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Man, get a fucking author in. The real title should have been:

AMD's Ryzen debut signals a workstation powerhouse but the hype train stopped one station short

"Despite AMD's blisteringly successful vault into the high end of multi core tasking, the gaming prowess of it's Ryzen chip may have fallen short of it's hype train destination. That however is not the fault of AMD, nor of it's new baby chip but indeed of the slabbering masses with hyper unreal expectations. The Ryzen hype train may have come in a little bit behind the Intel inter7 7700k but what Ryzen did do was come in at all 8 platforms at once. All aboard!"

TPU need to hire this guy instead. This is like 100X better than the crap put out and dubbed "editorial".




OR did TPU editors got some special emails from Intel? The plot thickens....

 

[alucasa]

I bet a lot of kittens passed away today.

 

[Raevenlord]

Man, get a fucking author in. The real title should have been:

AMD's Ryzen debut signals a workstation powerhouse but the hype train stopped one station short

"Despite AMD's blisteringly successful vault into the high end of multi core tasking, the gaming prowess of it's Ryzen chip may have fallen short of it's hype train destination. That however is not the fault of AMD, nor of it's new baby chip but indeed of the slabbering masses with hyper unreal expectations. The Ryzen hype train may have come in a little bit behind the Intel inter7 7700k but what Ryzen did do was come in at all 8 platforms at once. All aboard!"

Good title, but it wouldn't fit the available characters

 

[Air]

I think it will be interesting to see how a 4c/4t mobile ryzen processor would stack up against a intel 2c/4t U processor for games.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Well, this is looking great for their server lineup. The main issues are clock speed and memory controller and that should be AMD's focus right now for Ryzen+.

I wonder what would happen if you disabled one of the CCX's and ran just 4 cores and 8 threads, could you get the clock speed above 4.2 GHz and would it make any difference in gaming?

 

[Vellinious]

Well, this is looking great for their server lineup. The main issues are clock speed and memory controller and that should be AMD's focus right now for Ryzen+.

I wonder what would happen if you disabled one of the CCX's and ran just 4 cores and 8 threads, could you get the clock speed above 4.2 GHz and would it make any difference in gaming?

This is what I'm wondering about the 4 core / 8 thread CPUs. Will the reduced heat allow for higher clock speeds? We shall see.....

I already have a workstation CPU, and won't be buying the 8 core beasty, but I'll be looking hard at the 4 core Ryzens when they release.

 

[proxuser]

I just wonder how much Intel pay to you guys ?