Anyone here delid an i7-4790K?

peche · Mar 21, 2016

Sasqui said:
Yes, I posted the same link previously. What's the best SW to see all the core speeds and temps... ?

i use HWinfo, i love it.... also i just open the app and check on run sensors only, that provides a full list of sensors and reads!
link

Regards,

Sasqui · Mar 21, 2016

peche said:
i use HWinfo

That's what I suspected, thx!

peche · Mar 21, 2016

Sasqui said:
That's what I suspected, thx!

lol
why ?

Schmuckley · Mar 22, 2016

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

4.4 on all cores... what is different from yours @peche ?

This is running BOINC for over 3 weeks

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

4.6 ... nice!

Spaceman Spiff · Mar 22, 2016

I sure have. Delid on my 4790k, CLLP between die and IHS. Lapped my IHS, CLLP between my IHS and Raystorm block, and lapped my Raystorm.

I run 4.9 @ 1.378v 24/7. To get a stable 5.0 it takes me well above 1.4v.

Just finished a long play session of BF4, realtemp says my max temp is 65c. I've done a delid on 3 cpus, none have broken. I used the vice and hammer method. I tried the razor blade, just didn't like it.

I think messing with it is fun though. Worth the risk to me.

Edit: SS posted , click and then click image for full size.

manofthem · Mar 22, 2016

Sasqui said:
4.6 ... nice!

If I'm understanding you correctly, your chip puts out a nice OC at nice temps! Ha, I doubt I'd bother delidding, but then again, I'd be curious to see what the temp drops look like

Jetster · Mar 22, 2016

With the G3258 and the 4770K there were real benefits to deliding. The 4790K not so much

BarbaricSoul · Mar 22, 2016

Sasqui said:
4.4 on all cores... what is different from yours @peche ?

This is running BOINC for over 3 weeks

Damn, I've got better temps at 4.1GHz on a 3930k with an air cooler ( http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Deepcool/Assassin/ ) than you do at 4.4GHz with a 4790k and a custom water loop. I didn't expect that.

trog100 · Mar 22, 2016

Schmuckley said:
i wouldn't delid it.
You void the warranty..then you'll wanna lap it next ...
at which point if/when it dies you will eat it.
They don't taste very good to me.
Oh..here's one more thing:The 2 newer generation of chips fail at a higher rate than all previous generations.
I have personally have had..ok..2 4790Ks and 1 4770K fail..and someone else had one fail and I RMA'd it for them or something.
That's all during daily use, too.
Sure,I've killed chips before..giving them 1.9v.. but these things just fail with regular settings.
Other people are having similar results.
PS: The newest chips have even smaller/thinner dies.
Look what happens when you go to wipe the TIM off of the die:

get rid of all that black glue and the lid actually touches the chip properly.. i am pretty sure that is where the gain comes from.. its a mass production thing.. a dollop of glue and a dollop of paste press together and the job is done.. sometimes not very well.. he he

trog

EarthDog · Mar 22, 2016

BarbaricSoul said:
Damn, I've got better temps at 4.1GHz on a 3930k with an air cooler ( http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Deepcool/Assassin/ ) than you do at 4.4GHz with a 4790k and a custom water loop. I didn't expect that.

Soldered TIM on HEDT platforms.

trog100 · Mar 22, 2016

my 4790K at 4.5 gig.. air cooled with the intel glue removed and liquid ultra paste.. running wprime on 8 threads

Dark Rock TF cooler and case side fans feeding the top flow cooler.. cheap mid tower case which is a tad over full..

having read loads of cooler reviews i havnt seen many better.. the chip will go quicker i just think 4.5 is a nice speed to run it at..

trog

ps.. what is inside the case.. the two cards generate a lot of heat but the cpu never goes over 60 C whilst gaming.. there is also an unseen 120 mm fan in the top of the case.. plus two at the front which on or off make no difference.. my case side fans do the business..

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

BarbaricSoul said:
Damn, I've got better temps at 4.1GHz on a 3930k with an air cooler ( http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Deepcool/Assassin/ ) than you do at 4.4GHz with a 4790k and a custom water loop. I didn't expect that.

The chip is under air not H2O. Be Quiet! Cooler, I forget the model

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

trog100 said:
get rid of all that black glue and the lid actually touches the chip properly.. i am pretty sure that is where the gain comes from.. its a mass production thing.. a dollop of glue and a dollop of paste press together and the job is done.. sometimes not very well.. he he

trog

Interesting theory... rather than a thin layer of TIM, you have a mm or so. That would surely make a difference.

trog100 · Mar 22, 2016

Sasqui said:
Interesting theory... rather than a thin layer of TIM, you have a mm or so. That would surely make a difference.

when the cooler is clamped on pressure is also applied between the lid and chip.. when the glue is there there is no pressure between lid and chip.. the glue takes the load..

having a basic engineering background it all seems pretty obvious to me.. the way its done is simply a production cost saving measure.. not the best way of doing it but the cheapest..

good enough to do the job intel thinks it should do.. which if i were intel i would do the same thing.. he he

trog

peche · Mar 22, 2016

i still have my doubts about the most popular delid method here.. since the picture of a broken die ...

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

peche said:
i still have my doubts about the most popular delid method here.. since the picture of a broken die ...

I would *never* use the vice and hammer method. Razor, a steady hand and a little patience, that's how i did it before.

I'm going to mess a little more with the multi and voltages, then pop the lid and test her out. Hopefully by the end of the week.

peche · Mar 22, 2016

Spaceman Spiff said:
I've done a delid on 3 cpus, none have broken. I used the vice and hammer method. I tried the razor blade, just didn't like it.

why you dont?
using a hammer its the easiest way to f*ck your chip ...

Sasqui said:
I would *never* use the vice and hammer method. Razor, a steady hand and a little patience, that's how i did it before.

I'm going to mess a little more with the multi and voltages, then pop the lid and test her out. Hopefully by the end of the week.

razor blade is the easiest way, just a little patience and sharpen blade... thats all ... is a little bit more complex to apply liquid metal on Die than delidding with a razor blade...

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

peche said:
why you dont?
using a hammer its the easiest way to f*ck your chip ...

razor blade is the easiest way, just a little patience and sharpen blade... thats all ... is a little bit more complex to apply liquid metal on Die than delidding with a razor blade...

There's risk with both, but taking a hammer to a $300 chip isn't on my todo list, lol.

Ruru · Mar 22, 2016

Well not a i7-4790K, but I delidded my G3258 and like expected, temps went down. Liquid Ultra between the die and IHS. Used a razor for delidding since that was the only thing I had near.

peche · Mar 22, 2016

9700 Pro said:
Well not a i7-4790K, but I delidded my G3258 and like expected, temps went down. Liquid Ultra between the die and IHS. Used a razor for delidding since that was the only thing I had near.

what did you use between ihs and cooler?

Spaceman Spiff · Mar 22, 2016

To be honest using a razor felt more risky to me. With the potential to cut through and hit the small capacitors on the side of the cpu, apply some torque accidentally and mess up the pcb, or cut my own hand.

With the vice and hammer method you're not actually 'taking a hammer' directly to the cpu. Place the cpu in the vice with all clamping pressure on the IHS. Then take a small 2x4 or a denser wood and place that against the pcb and tap it until it breaks the intel glue.

I also tried just the vice method. Place the cpu with one end of the pcb against the back of the vice and the front grabbing the IHS on the opposite side. Then just slowly tighten and loosen the vice until the glue breaks free. No impact to the pcb!

Edit: I still my have my 4770k from my first delid. Haven't put it up F/S yet. I ran it at 4.5Ghz, 4.6 took waay to much voltage.

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

peche said:
what did you use between ihs and cooler?

Hellman's mayonnaise hahahaa

peche · Mar 22, 2016

Sasqui said:
Hellman's mayonnaise hahahaa

Spaceman Spiff said:
To be honest using a razor felt more risky to me. With the potential to cut through and hit the small capacitors on the side of the cpu, apply some torque accidentally and mess up the pcb, or cut my own hand.

With the vice and hammer method you're not actually 'taking a hammer' directly to the cpu. Place the cpu in the vice with all clamping pressure on the IHS. Then take a small 2x4 or a denser wood and place that against the pcb and tap it until it breaks the intel glue.

I also tried just the vice method. Place the cpu with one end of the pcb against the back of the vice and the front grabbing the IHS on the opposite side. Then just slowly tighten and loosen the vice until the glue breaks free. No impact to the pcb!

Edit: I still my have my 4770k from my first delid. Haven't put it up F/S yet. I ran it at 4.5Ghz, 4.6 took waay to much voltage.

its the easiest way lad...i takes like 5 or 8 minutes to delid and clean a chip dude...

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Anyone here delid an i7-4790K?

peche

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Sasqui

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

Schmuckley

Sasqui

Sasqui

Spaceman Spiff

manofthem

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Jetster

BarbaricSoul

trog100

EarthDog

trog100

Sasqui

Sasqui

trog100

peche

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Sasqui

peche

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Ruru

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peche

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peche

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