Apple Deprecates OpenGL and OpenCL from MacOS

StrayKAT · Jun 8, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
Which most of the world is never going to play nice with..

That is exactly what I'm saying.

No it wasn't. It was dead simple.

They have already become that, but a better version.

I have to agree, disconnect it from the internet and change your wifi password. Tizen in not secure. Get yourself a Roku, Nvidia Shield or quality Android TV box.

That bad, huh?

I hate to derail, but if anyone can tell me why 4K/HDR is not showing up in the PC version of Netflix, I'd happily do it. I'd rather run Netflix from there anyways. Is it some kind of crap DRM scheme? I have capable 4k hardware at least.

ZeDestructor · Jun 8, 2018

StrayKAT said:
That bad, huh?

I hate to derail, but if anyone can tell me why 4K/HDR is not showing up in the PC version of Netflix, I'd happily do it. I'd rather run Netflix from there anyways. Is it some kind of crap DRM scheme? I have capable 4k hardware at least.

100% crap DRM bullshit, and since AMD is being slow as molasses on adding PlayReady 3.0 support to Vega, you're up shit creek waiting until they do.

Things needed to support PlayReady 3.0 (as of writing): Intel UHD graphics (Kaby Lake and newer) or Pascal cards with 3GB or more VRAM and 381.74 or newer drivers or Polaris cards with 18.4.1 or newer drivers; an HDCP 2.2-compliant monitor/TV/AVR chain.

lexluthermiester · Jun 9, 2018

StrayKAT said:
That bad, huh?

Yup, that bad. Don't trust it.

Yazz · Jun 9, 2018

R-T-B said:
Ouch.

But... I mean technically OpenGL hasn't shipped with windows in like, forever. It's not "deprecated" there it just doesn't exist. But every hardware manufacturer on Windows implements it anyways in their drivers.

I'm betting they could do the same in OS X, if Apple will let hardware makers implement a "deprecated" API in their driver packages. They probably won't sadly. Walled gardens suck.

Instead of opening the file properties wondow I decided to tweak the details view so you could see the manf, version, etc, and notice the folder it's in because it's contents happen to match copies in my C:\Windows\System32\ Directory (In the latest official Windows 10 version - 1803 Pro).

GoldenX · Jun 9, 2018

You can replace that native windows version with the Mesa LLVMpipe one, giving you OpenGL 3.3 on the CPU. You can play Rage with only the CPU.

Xtremecookiez · Jun 11, 2018

xkm1948 said:
OpenCL, meh. Pretty much everything use CUDA anyway

Macs ship with AMD GPUs.

They can't use CUDA unless you hook up an external nvidia GPU.

lexluthermiester · Jun 12, 2018

Xtremecookiez said:
Macs ship with AMD GPUs.

They can't use CUDA unless you hook up an external nvidia GPU.

When did that happen? Apple has been using NVidia since 2006 when they made the switch to Intel CPU's.

ZeDestructor · Jun 13, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
When did that happen? Apple has been using NVidia since 2006 when they made the switch to Intel CPU's.

Macbook Pro: AMD options since 2006, and AMD-only since 2015
iMac: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2014
Mac Pro: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2010 (2013 if you discount the old tower on the basis of it's ability to fit any PCIe card)

Over the years, there have been generations of machines that have been nV-exclusive and AMD-exclusive, as the case is, just to really muddy up the waters, but overall Apple has been AMD-only since 2015.

For the dGPU side, anyways. Intel iGPU enabled if the platform has it, which translates into being enabled on everything but the Mac Pro and iMac Pro.

lexluthermiester · Jun 15, 2018

ZeDestructor said:
Macbook Pro: AMD options since 2006, and AMD-only since 2015
iMac: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2014
Mac Pro: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2010 (2013 if you discount the old tower on the basis of it's ability to fit any PCIe card)

Over the years, there have been generations of machines that have been nV-exclusive and AMD-exclusive, as the case is, just to really muddy up the waters, but overall Apple has been AMD-only since 2015.

For the dGPU side, anyways. Intel iGPU enabled if the platform has it, which translates into being enabled on everything but the Mac Pro and iMac Pro.

Just shows how much I pay attention Apple's line of products..

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Storage	Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
Display(s)	Samsung CFG70, Samsung NU8000 TV
Case	Corsair C70
Power Supply	Corsair HX750
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Cooling	Swiftech H220-X \| Chassis cooled (6 fans + HS) \| dual-fanned heatpipes \| small-fanned heatpipe
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Case	Corsair Obsidian 550D \| HP DL380 G6 Chassis \| Dell Precision M4800 \| Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet
Audio Device(s)	Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD \| None \| On-board \| On-board
Power Supply	Corsair AX850 \| Dual 750W Redundant PSU (Delta) \| Dell 330W+240W (Flextronics) \| Lenovo 65W (Delta)
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Storage	NVMe Kingston KC3000 2TB + NVMe Toshiba KBG40ZNT256G + HDD WD 4TB / NVMe WD Blue SN550 512GB
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System Name	Diablo \| Baal \| Mephisto \| Andariel
Processor	i5-3570K@4.4GHz \| 2x Xeon X5675 \| i7-4710MQ \| i7-2640M
Motherboard	Asus Sabertooth Z77 \| HP DL380 G6 \| Dell Precision M4800 \| Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet
Cooling	Swiftech H220-X \| Chassis cooled (6 fans + HS) \| dual-fanned heatpipes \| small-fanned heatpipe
Memory	32GiB DDR3-1600 CL9 \| 96GiB DDR3-1333 ECC RDIMM \| 32GiB DDR3L-1866 CL11 \| 8GiB DDR3L-1600 CL11
Video Card(s)	Dual GTX 670 in SLI \| Embedded ATi ES1000 \| Quadro K2100M \| Intel HD 3000
Storage	many, many SSDs and HDDs....
Display(s)	1 Dell U3011 + 2x Dell U2410 \| HP iLO2 KVMoIP \| 3200x1800 Sharp IGZO \| 1366x768 IPS with Wacom pen
Case	Corsair Obsidian 550D \| HP DL380 G6 Chassis \| Dell Precision M4800 \| Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet
Audio Device(s)	Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD \| None \| On-board \| On-board
Power Supply	Corsair AX850 \| Dual 750W Redundant PSU (Delta) \| Dell 330W+240W (Flextronics) \| Lenovo 65W (Delta)
Mouse	Logitech G502, Logitech G700s, Logitech G500, Dell optical mouse (emergency backup)
Keyboard	1985 IBM Model F 122-key, Ducky YOTT MX Black, Dell AT101W, 1994 IBM Model M, various integrated
Software	FAAAR too much to list

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