Apple's Brand New Mac Studio With the M1 Ultra CPU Gets First Benchmark Figures

[Fouquin]

What's stinky are the results from the benchmark. If you don't believe me look at how whenever a new version of Geekbench comes out Apple chips "miraculously" become a little faster than the competition.

iPad Pro (12.9-inch 3rd Generation) vs ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. MINIPC PN50 - Geekbench

iPad Pro (12.9-inch 3rd Generation) vs LENOVO 20VG - Geekbench

Look at how some of the math heavy tests where the x86 CPUs were categorically faster were removed in Geekbench 5, like SEGMM and SFFT. Why did they do that ? Who knows, I might have an idea or two but those are really basic tests which are useful especially if we're talking about CPUs that are meant to be used in workstations.

Yes, when a new benchmark releases, the results change. That's true for every single industry standard benchmark. You can NEVER compare results between versions, and just about every single product tells you as such. Geekbench dropped a few SIMD single precision tests in favour of ML and inference tests because just about every modern CPU is advertising those capabilities, so it makes sense to show test results and comparisons for them.

As for why Apple chips "miraculously" get faster with each release, it's probably due to them taking an interest in software optimization across the industry. They're porting every major application they can to their chips, of course you're going to see the results get better as they further optimize.

 

[lexluthermiester]

See above with regards to Geekbench and I also mentioned it in the news post.

Didn't see the front page post, I only saw the info in this forum post, the link is not present to be viewed. So I provided it for others who also see articles only in the forums. No offense intended.

You do realize that you linked 40 and 56 core comparisons here?

Oops. You're right. Did that on both of the Xeon links. I searched by CPU model and grabbed the highest scores. I should have looked in more detail.

 

[Vya Domus]

Yes, when a new benchmark releases, the results change. That's true for every single industry standard benchmark. You can NEVER compare results between versions, and just about every single product tells you as such.

This is isn't about comparing results between versions but rather about showing that those changes are obliviously meant to boost scores on certain chips. If you chose to remain oblivious to the bias here, that's your choice I guess but there is absolutely nothing invalid about taking into account these changes.

Geekbench dropped a few SIMD single precision tests in favour of ML and inference tests because just about every modern CPU is advertising those capabilities, so it makes sense to show test results and comparisons for them.

It actually makes zero sense, for one thing ML is best suited for GPUs or NPUs. Plus one of those tests that were removed, GEMM, is basically what ML is built upon. Again, those are basic tests that they've decided to remove.

As for why Apple chips "miraculously" get faster with each release

I was being sarcastic because I know exactly why they got faster in this case and as I've explained it has nothing to do with optimizations.

 

[Fouquin]

This is isn't about comparing results between versions but rather about showing that those changes are obliviously meant to boost scores on certain chips. If you chose to remain oblivious to the bias here, that's your choice I guess but there is absolutely nothing invalid about taking into account these changes.



It actually makes zero sense, for one thing ML is best suited for GPUs or NPUs. Plus one of those tests that were removed, GEMM, is basically what ML is built upon. Again, those are basic tests that they've decided to remove.


I was being sarcastic because I know exactly why they got faster in this case and as I've explained it has nothing to do with optimizations.

Take off the tinfoil, this ain't a conspiracy.

 

[Vya Domus]

Take off the tinfoil, this ain't a conspiracy.

It's not a conspiracy, Geekbench is crap benchmark that anyone who takes a closer look at it and knows a thing or two about how software is written wont take it serious.

 

[Tartaros]

Apart of performance per se, how's software transition to M1 going? That's also a factor to have in count regarding to real world performance.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Apart of performance per se, how's software transition to M1 going?

Given Apple's track record for software, it will likely be very smooth, possibly even seemless. For all my complaints of Apple, their software & Operating Systems aren't among them.

 

[Cutechri]

Never liked Geekbench, and it's interesting how it's ALWAYS the first benchmark figure to pop up for a new product. Gonna wait for other figures.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

While it's fairly irrelevant I am intrigued by how they're running two CPU and more importantly GPU over that interconnect tuuurbooo ultra thing that's not just like any other 2.5D solutions.
Slight, only slightly sarky at very end.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Apple says there’s “never been anything like” the UltraFusion tech it unveiled today. It claims to debut a brand new method for scaling up processing performance, which doesn’t involve the trade-offs of hooking a pair of chips up to a motherboard. Instead, UltraFusion uses a “silicon interposer that connects the chips across more than 10,0000 signals,” Apple says.

This not only overcomes traditional downsides, like an uptick in latency, increased power consumption and reduced bandwidth, it gives all of those factors a significant boost, without developers having to rewrite any code because the software recognises the whole array as a single chip.

Apple says the technology provides “a massive 2.5TB/s of low latency, inter-processor bandwidth — more than 4x the bandwidth of the leading multi-chip interconnect technology.”

The ultra fusion thing is pretty swanky

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news...ple-m1-ultra-secret-feature-explained-4215477

 

[Assimilator]

As for why Apple chips "miraculously" get faster with each release, it's probably due to them taking an interest in software optimization across the industry. They're porting every major application they can to their chips, of course you're going to see the results get better as they further optimize.

Yeah, it's easy to optimise when you have a dozen apps on your platform in total.

The ultra fusion thing is pretty swanky

No, it's just more Apple bullshit hype. Vega used a silicon interposer half a decade ago, this is merely a refinement of it.

 

[Dredi]

No, it's just more Apple bullshit hype. Vega used a silicon interposer half a decade ago, this is merely a refinement of it.

This is more akin to intel emib. Though the density is an order of magnitude higher. Likely just some new (co funded) TSMC tech and nothing strictly apple specific really.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

This is more akin to intel emib. Though the density is an order of magnitude higher. Likely just some new (co funded) TSMC tech and nothing strictly apple specific really.

Same way 3D cache is TSMC tech not AMD's

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Same way 3D cache is TSMC tech not AMD's

Chip designer's design chip's using IP and process development kits, things have to be made precisely in a particular way.
But anything like that or this is developed with the foundries PDK and help, not by the chip designer's alone, and at best it's a evolution of what AMD and xilinx Nvidia ,Intel or Tesla and many others already released.
Great name though.

Better than onion or garlic.