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oh well i guess i will have a Leo 1 and 3250 g (since i don't have a Leo 1 atm and i already have my Leo 2AV ICE )

glad that they did less nonsense than the Puma event, nonetheless i am not buggered by the fact that the Puma event was PVP only ... that AFV has no worth whatsoever, it's not a "polish" tank for me it's a licensed BMP-1 with some upgrades, otherwise licensed tank like the Pz87 and Pz87 WE would be clearly possible in AW and tagged as Swiss and not German :roll:

gah, they should just already put in a Swiss dealer with the Piranha line AFV and the licensed other ... after all they are the "father" of all wheeled AFV/TD's, small country yes but huge arms innovations ... Oerlikon-Rheinmetal(only partially German due to Rheinmetal) RUAG MOWAG, but i guess it will be not soon or later that we will see some like the MOWAG Tornado / Tornado II, Piranha line 6x6 8x8 10x10 4x4 IB Wildcat/ADATS/RH105, Cougar, Puma( not the BMP-1) Pirat/3M1 Pirat, Eagle, Trojan

BMOP? nah we already had the MOWAG Tornado I and II
M1134 ATGM? nah we already had the MOWAG Piranha II 6x6 TOW and ADATS
etc etc etc

Piranha line, ok it's General electrics who bought them but it's still a Swiss company! and all LAV inclusive the LAV-25 derivate from the WOTAN and Roland
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Tornado I and II and Trojan
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oh well i guess i will have a Leo 1 and 3250 g (since i don't have a Leo 1 atm and i already have my Leo 2AV ICE )

glad that they did less nonsense than the Puma event, nonetheless i am not buggered by the fact that the Puma event was PVP only ... that AFV has no worth whatsoever, it's not a "polish" tank for me it's a licensed BMP-1 with some upgrades, otherwise licensed tank like the Pz87 and Pz87 WE would be clearly possible in AW and tagged as Swiss and not German :roll:

gah, they should just already put in a Swiss dealer with the Piranha line AFV and the licensed other ... after all they are the "father" of all wheeled AFV/TD's, small country yes but huge arms innovations ... Oerlikon-Rheinmetal(only partially German due to Rheinmetal) RUAG MOWAG, but i guess it will be not soon or later that we will see some like the MOWAG Tornado / Tornado II, Piranha line 6x6 8x8 10x10 4x4 IB Wildcat/ADATS/RH105, Cougar, Puma( not the BMP-1) Pirat/3M1 Pirat, Eagle, Trojan

BMOP? nah we already had the MOWAG Tornado I and II
M1134 ATGM? nah we already had the MOWAG Piranha II 6x6 TOW and ADATS
etc etc etc

Piranha line, ok it's General electrics who bought them but it's still a Swiss company! and all LAV inclusive the LAV-25 derivate from the WOTAN and Roland
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Tornado I and II and Trojan
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Eagle IFV/recon
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To start this of, the bwp 1 Puma is a polish afv, as many countries controlled by the soviet union got the rights to produce the Ussr's weaponry (like the Bmp, t72, ak's and many others)
but yeah, I would love to see a new tree of vehicles that will introduce not so well known creations. Some examples are as mentioned the Piranha line of the Swiss, the Finish/polish rosomak, the south African Rooikat and the soviet BTR 70. Don't forget all the prototype tanks there were. There are so many different load outs for vehicles like this that it would be possible to make a new dealer for.

Some photos of the tanks mentioned
ROSOMAK
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ROOIKAT
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BTR 70
(ZHALO-s being one version of this)
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To start this of, the bwp 1 Puma is a polish afv, as many countries controlled by the soviet union got the rights to produce the Ussr's weaponry (like the Bmp, t72, ak's and many others)
but yeah, I would love to see a new tree of vehicles that will introduce not so well known creations. Some examples are as mentioned the Piranha line of the Swiss, the Finish/polish rosomak, the south African Rooikat and the soviet BTR 70. Don't forget all the prototype tanks there were. There are so many different load outs for vehicles like this that it would be possible to make a new dealer for.

Some photos of the tanks mentioned
ROSOMAK
View attachment 73562
ROOIKAT
View attachment 73563
BTR 70
(ZHALO-s being one version of this)
View attachment 73564

Most research I used http://www.military-today.com/apc.htm
well it's license built, nobody consider the Pz87 as Swiss because it's a Leo 2A4 albeit it is upgraded like the BWM-1M, so yes it's polish but nope it's not indigenous design ;) nor can consider the BTR-70 as polish, i care less for the flag on it than for the land who designed his original hull :D
the ROSOMAK is a 8x8 Piranha chassis? or i am blind ... if yes then it's Swiss :D YAY! (joking) it looks like a "inspired by" and "derivative" and quite a nice design also
tho ... Piranha V :
mowag_piranha_v.jpg

and i, for one, am a huge fan of the Rooikat and ROSOMAK (let's not forget the RATEL... )

i am just sad they don't consider Swiss dealer and AFV's ahah since THEY ALREADY PUT COPY OF OUR OWN! DAMN!

and a Danish Piranha V also
Mowag_Piranha_V_Danish.jpg

anyway, i intended to play some ... but too tired, and i need to wake up early tomorrow :laugh:
 
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First game in it after a lot of rush cap easy mode battles these days.
I guess that all the guys who knows to play PvE are in rush cap mode so I have only lemons for Hard. :D

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@Michalrutek Unfortunately the BTR-70 is armed only with a 14.5mm KPV. The Soviet 14.5mm cartridge may very well be up to 50% more effective than .50 BMG, but when the worst autocannon in the game is 20mm Oerlikon, there is no place for a BTR-70. It wouldn't be able to penetrate jack shit.

Same goes for the BTR-80 and BTR-82. However, the BTR-80A and BTR-82A are armed with the same awesome 2A42 as the BMP-2 and BMP-3 families, but I'm not sure what room there is for another family of paper Soviet IFV vehicles when BMP is already paper.

I suppose the same would apply to the Rosomak unless the OE team decided to get a little imaginative and give it a lot more firepower than it really should have. 25mm M242...think Bradley without TOW missiles. Only the Wiesel/Crab and Warrior have autocannon without missiles; for the Wiesel/Crab, they have a microscopic footprint (can't hit what you can't see in the first place, not to mention they can be outfitted with missiles, and that both (IIRC) are given 30mm option), and the Warrior has completely troll side armor against autocannons now with applique equipped, as well as crazy dmg/pen to make up for the missiles. As much as I would like to see more diversity amongst lighter vehicles, I cannot see much of a future for vehicles like these beyond low-mid tier (which is a shame since Rosomak is a very modern vehicle).

In the same vein, I would love to see some [patriotic] love for my own country's LAV-III that has served so faithfully in recent years, but like most Piranha 8x8 variants they only come in 25mm M242 form with hardly any armor. There might be hope for a single more potently armored Piranha 8x8 vehicle, but with 2 Strykers already in the game, I wouldn't be holding my breath.

There are others that would be quite nice to see in the game in the near future. The T-15 Armata will undoubtedly make it sooner or later, seeing as how its MBT brother is going into T10 soon. And if done correctly, it's probably going to be quite a force to be reckoned with, seeing as how it sports another quad Kornet setup and an even tougher MBT hull. I'm guessing T10 after the Termi 2.


It could be interesting to see a counterpart for the M1134 (Wolfli) in the Shishkin tree in the form of the 9P157-2 Khrizantema-S. Really no need for explanation here, essentially an Eastern M1134. Dual 9M123 Khrizantema (supposedly even better than the 9M120 Ataka on the Ramka) on a BMP-3 chassis (yes, paper but so is the M1134).


No Russian bias here. Let's not forget that Merkava Mk II (I think so) will be making a debut as a mid-high tier premium tank. Probably means that there's quite a lot of room for a modern tank like the Merkava Mk IV to make it into the Zhang line (not unreasonable, China has very good relations and plenty of military technology cooperation with Israel). Yes, the one MBT in full service that actually widely employs an Active Protection System.


I think Oplot and Oplot-M are also being planned in the near future for the Zhang line as Eastern European (but not Russian) MBTs. They shouldn't be all that bad since 1) Innate Russian bias and 2) they are basically even more advanced versions of the T-80UD, with domestically designed Ukrainian ERA (on the Oplot-M) that is supposedly parallel with Russian Relikt (read: effective against 120mm M829A3).


Lastly, I would say there's still room for the German IFVs. Plenty of attention to the Leopard line, but I'd say that the Marder (shitty 20mm cannon but decent MILAN ATGMs) and upcoming Puma (30mm and SPIKE-LR, some really cool up-armouring as well) would fit nicely.


There was talk about the Namer but that will be very low down on the priority list. There is like, 1 photo of a prototype Namer with a 30mm RWS and ATGMs, but the only well-documented Namers come with M2-armed RWS. Nice Merkava hull, but pointless armament. The CV90 family has already made an appearance in the form of the PL10 (CV90120-T variant), but there could be room for a 40mm Bofors or 35mm Bush II vehicle, though I don't know how that would overlap with the Warrior's role.
 
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First game in it after a lot of rush cap easy mode battles these days.
I guess that all the guys who knows to play PvE are in rush cap mode so I have only lemons for Hard. :D

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rushcap type is only in easy mission, i never got any in med or hard :laugh:

Do they have Canadian weaponry in that game?
well yep ... the LAV or Stryker series are not american but Canadian ... (albeit being Swiss originally ... pfahahah )
tho i wonder what he mean by Canadian weaponry... since they have the Leo 2A4 (Leo. 2) and Canada have the Leo. 2A4 Can (well it's German originally ) which is essentially a 2A4 with a "home designed and manufactured" MBT Revolution kit (just the same as RUAG Pz87 WE Kit)

@Michalrutek Unfortunately the BTR-70 is armed only with a 14.5mm KPV. The Soviet 14.5mm cartridge may very well be up to 50% more effective than .50 BMG, but when the worst autocannon in the game is 20mm Oerlikon, there is no place for a BTR-70. It wouldn't be able to penetrate jack shit.

Same goes for the BTR-80 and BTR-82. However, the BTR-80A and BTR-82A are armed with the same awesome 2A42 as the BMP-2 and BMP-3 families, but I'm not sure what room there is for another family of paper Soviet IFV vehicles when BMP is already paper.

I suppose the same would apply to the Rosomak unless the OE team decided to get a little imaginative and give it a lot more firepower than it really should have. 25mm M242...think Bradley without TOW missiles. Only the Wiesel/Crab and Warrior have autocannon without missiles; for the Wiesel/Crab, they have a microscopic footprint (can't hit what you can't see in the first place, not to mention they can be outfitted with missiles, and that both (IIRC) are given 30mm option), and the Warrior has completely troll side armor against autocannons now with applique equipped, as well as crazy dmg/pen to make up for the missiles. As much as I would like to see more diversity amongst lighter vehicles, I cannot see much of a future for vehicles like these beyond low-mid tier (which is a shame since Rosomak is a very modern vehicle).

In the same vein, I would love to see some [patriotic] love for my own country's LAV-III that has served so faithfully in recent years, but like most Piranha 8x8 variants they only come in 25mm M242 form with hardly any armor. There might be hope for a single more potently armored Piranha 8x8 vehicle, but with 2 Strykers already in the game, I wouldn't be holding my breath.

There are others that would be quite nice to see in the game in the near future. The T-15 Armata will undoubtedly make it sooner or later, seeing as how its MBT brother is going into T10 soon. And if done correctly, it's probably going to be quite a force to be reckoned with, seeing as how it sports another quad Kornet setup and an even tougher MBT hull. I'm guessing T10 after the Termi 2.


It could be interesting to see a counterpart for the M1134 (Wolfli) in the Shishkin tree in the form of the 9P157-2 Khrizantema-S. Really no need for explanation here, essentially an Eastern M1134. Dual 9M123 Khrizantema (supposedly even better than the 9M120 Ataka on the Ramka) on a BMP-3 chassis (yes, paper but so is the M1134).


No Russian bias here. Let's not forget that Merkava Mk II (I think so) will be making a debut as a mid-high tier premium tank. Probably means that there's quite a lot of room for a modern tank like the Merkava Mk IV to make it into the Zhang line (not unreasonable, China has very good relations and plenty of military technology cooperation with Israel). Yes, the one MBT in full service that actually widely employs an Active Protection System.


I think Oplot and Oplot-M are also being planned in the near future for the Zhang line as Eastern European (but not Russian) MBTs. They shouldn't be all that bad since 1) Innate Russian bias and 2) they are basically even more advanced versions of the T-80UD, with domestically designed Ukrainian ERA (on the Oplot-M) that is supposedly parallel with Russian Relikt (read: effective against 120mm M829A3).


Lastly, I would say there's still room for the German IFVs. Plenty of attention to the Leopard line, but I'd say that the Marder (shitty 20mm cannon but decent MILAN ATGMs) and upcoming Puma (30mm and SPIKE-LR, some really cool up-armouring as well) would fit nicely.


There was talk about the Namer but that will be very low down on the priority list. There is like, 1 photo of a prototype Namer with a 30mm RWS and ATGMs, but the only well-documented Namers come with M2-armed RWS. Nice Merkava hull, but pointless armament. The CV90 family has already made an appearance in the form of the PL10 (CV90120-T variant), but there could be room for a 40mm Bofors or 35mm Bush II vehicle, though I don't know how that would overlap with the Warrior's role.
original designed tanks ... well then my biggest one on wishlist would be... the K2 BlackPanther, aside from the Piranha line which should be a right given for a Swiss dealer line since they've put copy, well rather good one also, in the game already.
tho most of the people i saw speaking about, country and dealer, mentioned the Swiss would probably be in line, due to have a good share of tank, tech and player-base.

as for Piranha(LAV) armoring ... well who care about armor, does the LAV, Striker or Centauro line have any armor? nope :D and the Piranha can be armed with any kind of turret (so is the LAV ) not only in a Striker fashion (which has the only advantage to have a unmanned 105mm turret) like the Rhenmetal RH 105 or Oerlikon ADATS and Skyshield (since the Centauro Draco is based of the SPAA Draco turret )

what i mean, the original Striker 105mm test platform was based of the Piranha 10x10

some more "Swiss" goodies :D

10x10 90 (mostly)
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10x10 demonstrator for the GIAT TML 105mm
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Wildcats twin 30mm platform (mostly a SPAA but with ground use also)
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30mm Oerlikon TRT (Piranha EVO 8x8)
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8x8 with Oerlikon ADATS
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Mowag Shark (8x8) with the French Fives-Gail Babcock FL-12 turret armed with a 105 mm gun (basically a AMX-13 oscillating turret) and RH 105-11 super low recoil gun system
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and the Skyshield variante (8x8)
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Do they have Canadian weaponry in that game?

If you think about it and stretch it a bit, yes. The Leopard 2A6 without upgrades is essentially exactly what the Canadian forces have deployed in Afghanistan (2A6M CAN), minus slat armor ofc. The Leopard 1A5 is the closest tank the game has to the Leopard C2, with the c2 being a Leopard 1A5/6 development. However, the MEXAS kit is not available in game, and it is technically a different tank.

Other than that, the Canadian forces don't use a lot of unique vehicles. There is no Leopard 2A4 in game, only a baseline Leo 2, so there is little potential for a 2A4M CAN. The 2A4M is a very unique vehicle as it is a 2A4 with 2A7+ uparmouring, manufactured by KMW itself, not part of the aftermarket Evo or Revo upgrades. The LAV III would suffer from the same complete lack of firepower and armor as the Rosomak would, which is an issue because you would either need an abundance of one to make up for the lack of the other in this game. Technically the two Strykers ARE LAV-IIIs, but Canada does not use either of the models in game (MGS was turned down in favor of expanding Leo 2 inventory I think, and the TOW carrier used by Canada is based on the LAV-25 hull, not the LAV-III).

I believe I read somewhere that the 2A6M CAN specification basically serves as the spec for the German Army's 2A7. That is plausible but not relevant to the issue of Canadian tanks as the upcoming Tier 10 is the 2A7+, and it is a fundamentally different vehicle from the 2A7.
 
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OH BOY!
Tier 10 Vehicles

Update 0.15 introduces the first six Tier 10 vehicles:

  • T-14 Armata (Main Battle Tank) ... meh...
  • PL-01 (Light Tank)... half a meh...
  • Leopard 2A7-140 (Main Battle Tank) 140? HELL YEAH!
  • SPHINX (Armored Fighting Vehicle)... to be polite i will keep it censored **** YEAH
  • XM1A3 (Main Battle Tank)... well i'm starting to like the M1A2 so ... why not
  • Challenger 2B (Main Battle Tank) ... do i need to state the obvious?
  • Merkava 2B Premium Main Battle Tank.... ooohhhh i think i will like that one ...
  • APS and Anti-Tank Guided Missile Changes.... as long as they do it right ... i kinda like my M1134 as it is now ... just need to be sharp about spotting APS when you target a 2A6 ... :laugh:
 
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  • Merkava 2B Premium Main Battle Tank.... ooohhhh i think i will like that one ...
Hmmm...
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The armor of the Merkava (Mk.1 and 2) in real life is quite thin actually. The "excellent protection" reputation refers to crew survivability, not armor thickness itself.
 

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BMOP? nah we already had the MOWAG Tornado I and II

Piranha line, ok it's General electrics who bought them but it's still a Swiss company!

Surely you mean BMP? :D No light IFV in the world is a match for the Terminator / possibly Puma with protection class C. Still the 100mm HE-FRAGs of the BMP are quite scary on the battlefield when you're running around or hiding in a bunker :eek:

By the buyer of the Piranha family I think you mean General Dynamics, I don't think GE would be going from jet engines, trains and refrigerators to Infantry Fighting Vehicles in the blink of an eye :roll:
 
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This piece is also often used by Canadians but even not considered as an heavy armement it stills got rockets. Lookup the page : http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/en/vehicles/bison-armoured-vehicle.page
ooohhh the Bison AFV me like ... a lot

By the buyer of the Piranha family I think you mean General Dynamics, I don't think GE would be going from jet engines, trains and refrigerators to Infantry Fighting Vehicles in the blink of an eye :roll:
oops ... yep General Dynamics European Land System
 

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@GreiverBlade I'm also super interested in the K2 Black Panther; problem is, the Altay is already planned to be introduced soon, and seeing as how much of the Altay draws from the K2, I'm unsure of how viable the K2 would be in game.

I haven't been playing for quite some time, so this game surprised me a bit, though I really shouldn't have been surprised given the team composition:
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When MM really decides to smoke a joint (an interesting tie for first too):
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I decided to play a game of PvP. The last time I played a serious game of PvP (not kamikaze-ing with a BMD) was probably months ago, and with a near-stock M1A1. Full circle, I guess? This time was with my trusty fully upgraded M1A1.
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In that last game, I took 100% of a stock Ariete's HP. 100%. I rolled up in the dockyard, saw him with his hull half-assedly concealed behind a concrete ramp, and I fired straight into his engine. He returned fire after the first one, and jiggled after using his repair on a broken track. I fired again and broke his engine. Evidently some of these people are too dumb to take both repair kits at once, so he sat there while I just chipped away...and soon he was dead. Not that he even tried to return fire and break my gun/try to hit my weakspot from 50something metres. I guess it was thanks to my M1A1's supreme accuracy that I was able to hit that sliver of his engine deck exposed behind the concrete ramp...wouldn't be able to do it with literally any other tank.
 
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fantastic Wildfire, 2 MBT that act like they are not in a MBT (well for the T-72 i understand ... it's a LT :laugh: ) and a exceptional but dead Brigitte panzer player ... ;) :roll:
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