Arrow lake might be a gaming monster?

[dirtyferret]

You guys need to actually game on a 3600

no one is saying the 3600 is "good enough" or "bad" but rather it's still viable years after launch and has been replaced by other CPUs such as 5600, 7600, and 9600 plus intel equivalents over the same years. So if you wanted those "high" FPS numbers you can go out and get a 7800X3D or Intel 14900k and get them. The CPU is not holding you back when looking at game suite tests.

 

[Zach_01]

You can play with R5 3600+4090 but maybe its not the best experience

What makes really bigger "bottleneck" the 3600 is off loading the GPU by dropping on settings and resolution.


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Had the 3600 for almost 4 years. You definitely cant call it a beast but not too shabby either.
Its all relative. Compared to the X3Ds or xx900s Intel its rather weak.
But as a CPU it holds nicely even today, as other AMD/Intel CPUs do too.

 

[phanbuey]

no one is saying the 3600 is "good enough" or "bad" but rather it's still viable years after launch and has been replaced by other CPUs such as 5600, 7600, and 9600 plus intel equivalents over the same years. So if you wanted those "high" FPS numbers you can go out and get a 7800X3D or Intel 14900k and get them. The CPU is not holding you back when looking at game suite tests.

I agree with everything except the last line -- when you're bottlenecking your GPU and your 4080/4090 is sitting at 40-50% usage that CPU is in my opinion holding you back pretty badly.

 

[dirtyferret]

when you're bottlenecking your GPU and your 4080/4090 is sitting at 40-50% usage that CPU is in my opinion holding you back pretty badly

but is that because there is not a CPU powerful enough to feed the 4080/4090 or because the user didn't purchase a CPU powerful enough. The latter can be fixed (by spending more money) while the former there would be no current solution to. I'm guessing it's the latter.

 

[freeagent]

If this is Core2 all over again, then everyone will be having a good time. Full overclocking capability would be welcomed.. been a bit boring since Sandy Bridge.

 

[Vayra86]

Sure but a 3600 is a whole other world compared to what we've got since 5800X3D and Intel's been making some progress too.

If this is Core2 all over again, then everyone will be having a good time. Full overclocking capability would be welcomed.. been a bit boring since Sandy Bridge.

We can dream, can't we

 

[Zach_01]

If this is Core2 all over again, then everyone will be having a good time.

Seriously doubting that... I think we'll never see again such a perf/watt super jump unless something really radical happens on all aspects of CPU manufacturing including fab, design, materials and other

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

If this is Core2 all over again, then everyone will be having a good time. Full overclocking capability would be welcomed.. been a bit boring since Sandy Bridge.

I want this to happen because I want a better zen chip, and the moment AMD gets comfortably ahead they become complacent. Competition is good for everyone.

 

[docnorth]

Time @W1zzard will tell…

 

[Frick]

If this is Core2 all over again, then everyone will be having a good time. Full overclocking capability would be welcomed.. been a bit boring since Sandy Bridge.

Boost and stuff has made overclocking pretty much pointless for the avarage user. I read that you can make the Ryzen 7600 as fast as the 7600X with overclocking. Big whoop, in the olden days you could buy a €100 part and make it at least 30% faster, with a bargain bin motherboard. Nowadays overclocking is a premium feature and you might eke out a few percent here and there. This is a good thing though, because it means most if not all chips are quite performant without tinkering.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I agree with everything except the last line -- when you're bottlenecking your GPU and your 4080/4090 is sitting at 40-50% usage that CPU is in my opinion holding you back pretty badly.

Don't think of it as bottlenecking - it's a GPU power saving feature! LOL

 

[kapone32]

Does anyone remember the marketing on the MSI Claw? You would have thought it would have competed with an Ally but the reviews showed the truth.

Boost and stuff has made overclocking pretty much pointless for the avarage user. I read that you can make the Ryzen 7600 as fast as the 7600X with overclocking. Big whoop, in the olden days you could buy a €100 part and make it at least 30% faster, with a bargain bin motherboard. Nowadays overclocking is a premium feature and you might eke out a few percent here and there. This is a good thing though, because it means most if not all chips are quite performant without tinkering.

Remember the days of those 3 core AM3 chips that you could use the MB to unlock the 4th core. That was rewarding.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I agree with everything except the last line -- when you're bottlenecking your GPU and your 4080/4090 is sitting at 40-50% usage that CPU is in my opinion holding you back pretty badly.

I think people forget the majority of pc gamers play esport games like counterstrike, Cod, and Fortnight and for that having a good cpu is more important than the gpu.

 

[phanbuey]

I think people forget the majority of pc gamers play esport games like counterstrike, Cod, and Fortnight and for that having a good cpu is more important than the gpu.

Very true - rust being a great example- those games are hard to benchmark due to their nature so they don’t even make the charts most of the time.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Does anyone remember the marketing on the MSI Claw? You would have thought it would have competed with an Ally but the reviews showed the truth.


Remember the days of those 3 core AM3 chips that you could use the MB to unlock the 4th core. That was rewarding.

Yeah Meteorlake was a bust to me it's the biggest reason I'm not expecting miracles with ArrowLake.

Very true - rust being a great example- those games are hard to benchmark due to their nature so they don’t even make the charts most of the time.

Most the systems I build have high ish end cpus paired with 4060/3060 level gpus becuase they all want high framerates at the lowest settings it's why even though it annoys me most don't care about 8GB the way they play they don't come anywhere near that. I honestly think the 4060/4060ti is primarily targeted at esports gamers.

 

[freeagent]

Boost and stuff has made overclocking pretty much pointless for the avarage user

I kind of disagree with that.

Yes the CPU can boost, but there is more performance to be had. Stock is kind of sucky.

X3D is different of course. Will be nice to tune it like a regular Zen part.

 

[Frick]

I kind of disagree with that.

Yes the CPU can boost, but there is more performance to be had. Stock is kind of sucky.

X3D is different of course. Will be nice to tune it like a regular Zen part.

"More" sure, but note I said avarage users. With Conroe I could get the cheapest 1.8Ghz version and get it to at least 2.4Ghz on literally the cheapest board I could find, a >30% increase in speed on literally the smallest budget you could have for that platform. That was a mich bigger deal than first having to spend extra money on a board that actually supports overclocking and then you can get what, a few hundred MHz from a chip that already hovers around 5Ghz? Again, big whoop, who cares? Overclocking was fun because I couls get cheap parts and make them as fast or faster than more expensive parts, now that is somewhat true (7600->7600x) but the difference isn't as big and the cost for just being able to do so is higher. Overclocking is a premium feature these days, and for avarage users, as in not enthusiasts, it's not worth it.

Also, wait, did you just say stock speeds are sucky? What exactly is sucky at stock speeds?

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I think it's wishful thinking to hope for monumental gains in CPU performance. The easy-to-grab gains have long been grabbed, and now it takes things like huge piles of L3 or crazy boost speed and power to advance generational performance (unless you did what AMD just did, and then people roast you for "not doing enough"). When Yonah and Merom came on to the scene, they were replacing a CPU that was ALU-heavy, ran hot, and had a weak FPU. Core was just balancing the ship again, much like Ryzen balanced a wonky Bulldozer design. Since then, it's iterative gains over generations. The very notion that it's taking Intel THIS LONG to bring a better solution to the desktop tells you it's not going to be monumental performance gains, but I would fully expect it to bring some sanity back to power consumption and thermals. I also don't see Intel overplaying their hand. If they exceed Raptor Lake by 5% at much lower power, then it's still a pretty good win, IMO. That gives them room for a refresh if AL's successor has delays.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I think it's wishful thinking to hope for monumental gains in CPU performance. The easy-to-grab gains have long been grabbed, and now it takes things like huge piles of L3 or crazy boost speed and power to advance generational performance (unless you did what AMD just did, and then people roast you for "not doing enough"). When Yonah and Merom came on to the scene, they were replacing a CPU that was ALU-heavy, ran hot, and had a weak FPU. Core was just balancing the ship again, much like Ryzen balanced a wonky Bulldozer design. Since then, it's iterative gains over generations. The very notion that it's taking Intel THIS LONG to bring a better solution to the desktop tells you it's not going to be monumental performance gains, but I would fully expect it to bring some sanity back to power consumption and thermals. I also don't see Intel overplaying their hand. If they exceed Raptor Lake by 5% at much lower power, then it's still a pretty good win, IMO. That gives them room for a refresh if AL's successor has delays.

Word on the street is an Arrow Lake refresh is already planned... I guess only time will tell....

 

[eidairaman1]

I just write wait until it arrives