Arrow lake might be a gaming monster?

[phanbuey]

Here's why I think AL is shaping up to be a giant upgrade in terms of FPS:

1. APO showed that there is double-digit performance gains when tweaking the e-core thread scheduling -- much more than just turning them off.
2. HT-off generally improves framerates
3. Reducing latency, or increasing ring throughput improves FPS.

AL is coming with:

• Core designed with no HT +5%
• Reduced latency (rearranged core configuration) +2-5%
• Tweaked thread scheduler and faster e cores - +2-5%+? 10%?

Combine that with any general improvements to IMC and any overclocking headroom gained by running 100W less than the predecessor - the leaks are starting to look exciting (take with a shovel of salt):
Jaykihn on X: "Preliminary Arrow Lake -S QS 250W Benchmarks. ARL-S ES2 and 8+16 Raptor Lake -S SKUs for comparison. https://t.co/aDSqJOcbqO" / X

Intel Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake" CPU Blazes Past Core i9-14900KS & Ryzen 9 9950X In Benchmark Leak (wccftech.com)

What do you guys think?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm gonna say we will be lucky if it's 10-15% vs the 14900k.

There are still a lot of unknown how's the memory controller how much is the 4-500mhz clocks gonna negatively impact gaming. How conservative will power limits/voltage be given what happened to Raptorlake.

MT/ST didn't look much better than the 9950X in the current leak and we all know how that games although windows might be the culprit for that to some degree.

Depending on the reviewers game suit it would need to be 6-8% faster to outright beat the 7800X3D on overage so is another 6-7% on top of that exciting other than for fanboys to say a 600 usd (guessing) proccesor beat an old 350 usd ish one.....

I'm gonna be pessimist until reviews hit lol.

 

[Zach_01]

Is ArrowLake going to be fab on a better node than 13/14th?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Is ArrowLake going to be fab on a better node than 13/14th?

Yes, quite a bit better from my understanding but they did have issues with it with meteor lake clock and power limitations seemingly why it was canceled for desktop and we got Raptorlake refresh instead.

 

[phanbuey]

Is ArrowLake going to be fab on a better node than 13/14th?

rumor is N3B for the 9 7 and 20A for the 5

 

[oxrufiioxo]

rumor is N3B for the 9 7 and 20A for the 5

Most recent one I seen was it was still 20A for the i9 The reason people seemed confused is because the igpu uses N3B is my guess.... Could be wrong though I guess we will see soon.


This should be interesting....

"Arrow Lake" features the same "Lion Cove" P-cores and "Skymont" E-cores as "Lunar Lake," but connected differently. In "Lunar Lake," the P-core complex sits on its own tiny ringbus with an exclusive L3 cache; with the E-core clusters being separated into low-power islands. The two core types talk to each other over the chip's high bandwidth fabric

CPU-Z Screenshot of Alleged Intel Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake" ES Surfaces, Confirms Intel 4 Process

A CPU-Z screenshot of an alleged Intel Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake-S" desktop processor engineering sample is doing rounds on social media, thanks to wxnod. CPU-Z identifies the chip with an Intel Core Ultra case badge with the deep shade of blue associated with the Core Ultra 9 brand...

www.techpowerup.com

Intel is using the same Intel 4 foundry node for "Arrow Lake-S" as the compute tile of its "Meteor Lake" processor. Intel 4 offers power efficiency and performance comparable to 4 nm nodes from TSMC, although it is physically a 7 nm node. Likewise, the Intel 3 node is physically 5 nm. If you recall, the main logic tile of "Lunar Lake" is being built on the TSMC N3P (3 nm) node. This means that Intel is really gunning for performance/Watt with "Lunar Lake," to get as close to the Apple M3 Pro as possible.

 

[Zach_01]

Can we compare those with any of TSMCs nodes?

I’m asking because I see a 300MHz regression in clocks (5.7GHz max single?). How different will be the all core?

Are they playing it safe?

I understand that better node doesn’t always mean higher clocks.

Allegedly this gen will be more efficient. As it should, always welcomed!
How much of the efficiency is on the clock regression and how much on fab I wonder.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Can we compare those with any of TSMCs nodes?

I’m asking because I see a 300MHz regression in clocks (5.7GHz max single?). How different will be the all core?

Are they playing it safe?

I understand that better node doesn’t always mean higher clocks.

Allegedly this gen will be more efficient. As it should, always welcomed!
How much of the efficiency is on the clock regression and how much on fab I wonder.

if you look at the die and how the tiles are laid out it looks both expensive and complicated to make is my guess on why clocks are going down.

I posted above what proccess node it's similar to TSMC4 above I think Raptor lake was on something similar to TSMC 7 could be wrong though don't really keep track of all that just care how they perform lol.

Raptor Lake/ Arrow Lake