ASRock Arc B570 Challenger OC

[starfals]

Decent card, 1 or 2 years too late. Now its pointless, even if the price is good. I guess 5060 will be more expensive... but also probably faster. AMD is coming out with their budget stuff to. So funny how both AMD and Intel are late to the party. Nvidia is literally killing them. If they were to sell their next gen stuff months/1 year earlier... perhaps they would have won a lot more market share. Having their new stuff right next to Nvidia, the kings of GPUs... bad call. I suppose they are releasing them as fast as they can, but its not good enough. It just isnt.

Oh well, 4070 ti super is 1100 euro here, i cant wait for 5070 ti. It probably wont be cheaper. Even the Intel budgety stuff that are 200, sell for like 400-500 here. Gotta love that 20% tax. It makes stuff double the price.

P.s. The GPU market is in a really bad spot, if you aint rich. New generations, same old performance... newer higher prices... less VRAM. Its a mess. I wont even mention the shortages that still exist from time to time.

The B570 is priced way too close to the B580 IMO. Might as well just skip a sandwich and fork out a bit more for the B580.

Yeah, thats the 1 thing i thought too. If you are getting a card, better futureproof a little and go for the slightly more expensive 1. Its faster than 570, and it has almost the same fps difference like the 4080-5080. 15-30% depending on the game. Its totally worth the extra bucks.

 

[JustBenching]

It needs to be tested in a rig with a CPU that would go with a $230 graphics card... I doubt there's a going to be a single rig in the real world using a 9800x3d with this card...

Performance will be totally different (much worse?) with a much weaker CPU? which is how the card will actually be used 99.999% of the time.

I doubt there would be any performance issues with eg 13400 or something similar.

 

[_roman_]

Very disappointing.

 

[BSim500]

Europe. Like with the B580, outside the US the nvidia cards are not more expensive. In any case, is it worth saving a small amount of money to buy a card which has hit and miss drivers, when the nvidia ones will be guaranteed to work with any game. Seems penny wise, pound foolish to me. (Not to mention the terrible idle power consumption.)

It's definitely an issue I've seen on US-centric websites. "Buy Intel it's masssively cheaper". (Looks at local pricing : Arc B570 = £254 vs RTX 4060 = £259 vs Arc B580 = £274). I mean, there's barely £5 premium for a GPU that doesn't completely fall apart if you pair with a (likely matching) low-end CPU or disable resizeable BAR, has much better driver control (like being able to force on MSAA / VSync, etc, in the driver for older games vs Intel Control Panel's usual primitive "Off vs Application Control" only options). There's a hell of lot of real-world issues for thousands of older games no-one wants to talk about, eg, anti-aliasing doesn't work in original Bioshock (but does on nVidia), missing textures in Bioshock Infinite but only for Intel, glitched water rendering in Dirt Rally but only for Intel, having to "wrap" / emulate all older DX9 games to DX12 because of lack of hardware support (that AMD / nVidia still natively retain), years worth of driver-level bug fixes / tweaks for older games in AMD / nVidia drivers are missing in Intel's. If you replay a lot of older games, the savings are a false economy once you start running into more frustrations that those who benchmark only the same dozen or so DX12 games over & over remain in blissful ignorance of...

 

[lexluthermiester]

RDNA4 may have something to say about this price point...

Maybe, but not any more or less than RTX5000. We'll see what the price points are..

 

[Hakker]

No support for DLSS (yes I know it's an NV exclusive, still doesn't change the fact that you can have it on one option and not on others)

seriously W1zzard stop the gaslighting. Go bug Nvidia with it not your sites visitors
You don't go look for an apartment and then complain it doesn't have a personal pool.

That said my main gripe it the absolute horrible idle power usage with Intel cards. They really should fix that.

 

[bug]

Maybe, but not any more or less than RTX5000. We'll see what the price points are..

Definitely more than Blackwell. Nvidia forgot about sub-$300 years ago, AMD is the one that says it's going for the mid-range. And below, presumably.

 

[Deleted member 187435]

seriously W1zzard stop the gaslighting. Go bug Nvidia with it not your sites visitors
You don't go look for an apartment and then complain it doesn't have a personal pool.

That said my main gripe it the absolute horrible idle power usage with Intel cards. They really should fix that.

This is more like two cars that cost almost the same but one has air conditioning and power steering, the other has neither - but it's slightly cheaper. Which do you buy?

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Europe. Like with the B580, outside the US the nvidia cards are not more expensive. In any case, is it worth saving a small amount of money to buy a card which has hit and miss drivers, when the nvidia ones will be guaranteed to work with any game. Seems penny wise, pound foolish to me. (Not to mention the terrible idle power consumption.)

It's definitely an issue I've seen on US-centric websites. "Buy Intel it's masssively cheaper". (Looks at local pricing : Arc B570 = £254 vs RTX 4060 = £259 vs Arc B580 = £274). I mean, there's barely £5 premium for a GPU that doesn't completely fall apart if you pair with a (likely matching) low-end CPU or disable resizeable BAR, has much better driver control (like being able to force on MSAA / VSync, etc, in the driver for older games vs Intel Control Panel's usual primitive "Off vs Application Control" only options). There's a hell of lot of real-world issues for thousands of older games no-one wants to talk about, eg, anti-aliasing doesn't work in original Bioshock (but does on nVidia), missing textures in Bioshock Infinite but only for Intel, glitched water rendering in Dirt Rally but only for Intel, having to "wrap" / emulate all older DX9 games to DX12 because of lack of hardware support (that AMD / nVidia still natively retain), years worth of driver-level bug fixes / tweaks for older games in AMD / nVidia drivers are missing in Intel's. If you replay a lot of older games, the savings are a false economy once you start running into more frustrations that those who benchmark only the same dozen or so DX12 games over & over remain in blissful ignorance of...

This is more like two cars that cost almost the same but one has air conditioning and power steering, the other has neither - but it's slightly cheaper. Which do you buy?

Hence the at-suggested-pricing caveat. In the range @BSim500 provided, the 4060's a no-brainer. But as a US buyer looking at US pricing, $80 is a significant delta against a $300 purchase. I realize buying logic doesn't scale linearly with magnitude, but getting most of a $30,000 car for $22,000 would sound pretty good to a lot of people.

The Intel issues listed above are real, no question. My A750 occasionally turns Discord and video into an artifacted mess (fresh drivers yesterday; fingers crossed). Everyone needs to evaluate their own use case, though. If one's willing to risk the problems, or the issues don't affect what you're doing, or you're just curious and the price is right (my situation), the hypothetical lower cost may be worth it. Though if out-of-the-box compatibility isn't largely solved with Celestial, Intel's going to lose most of buyers' remaining good will and patience, I feel.

EDIT: spelling

 

[vlad.coolish]

Power consuption...
Idle B570 = 29W, RTX 4090 = 22W
Video B570 = 32W, RTX 4090 = 26W
V-Sync B570 = 94W, RTX 4090 = 79W
?What a powerful monster this B570 is

 

[lexluthermiester]

seriously W1zzard stop the gaslighting. Go bug Nvidia with it not your sites visitors

You're kidding with that, right? Do you not think NVidia reads these articles? Hmm?
(hint: They sure as hell do!)

Definitely more than Blackwell. Nvidia forgot about sub-$300 years ago, AMD is the one that says it's going for the mid-range. And below, presumably.

We'll see. NVidia may have become a big-ticket company, but they are not immune to the economy woes. I would be very surprised if they did not answer BattleMage in some fashion. And if they don't, sucks to be them.

 

[bug]

We'll see. NVidia may have become a big-ticket company, but they are not immune to the economy woes. I would be very surprised if they did not answer BattleMage in some fashion. And if they don't, sucks to be them.

Turing didn't have anything below 2060 (there was 1660/1650, but those were odd).
Ampere had the 3050 which was as weak as they come.
Ada again didn't bother with anything sub-4060.
I'm not holding my breath.

 

[lexluthermiester]

(there was 1660/1650, but those were odd)

Those were the budget offering for that gen and they're good for what they offer.

Ampere had the 3050 which was as weak as they come.

Still strong enough to be viable as a budget entry level card.

Ada again didn't bother with anything sub-4060.

That is because the 4060 could be made into a budget card. Granted, a bit pricey, but not crap.

I'm not holding my breath.

With you on that. NVidia seems to have forgotten or doesn't value what made them great..

 

[bug]

With you on that. NVidia seems to have forgotten or doesn't value what made them great..

More likely, they get enough margin elsewhere, combined with the pressure on fabs...

 

[lexluthermiester]

More likely, they get enough margin elsewhere, combined with the pressure on fabs...

Likely some of that too.

 

[Eva01Master]

I installed one of these on my niece's entry level PC (Ryzen 5 5600G + 8GB RAM) and it improved a bit on the games she plays, which is Fortnite and Genshin Impact, but I still feel like there's performance I'm not getting comparing it to the reviews. I am thinking she might need more RAM. Any suggestions?

 

[bug]

I installed one of these on my niece's entry level PC (Ryzen 5 5600G + 8GB RAM) and it improved a bit on the games she plays, which is Fortnite and Genshin Impact, but I still feel like there's performance I'm not getting comparing it to the reviews. I am thinking she might need more RAM. Any suggestions?

RAM is definitely on the low side. I'm not familiar with Genshin Impact (mobile port, iirc), but Fortnite shouldn't require that much RAM. As always, it also depends on what is running on the side.
Also, while very capable, a 5600 CPU will be a tad short of the fps numbers you see in reviews. Those are obtained running on 14900k, 9800X3D CPUs and such. Your numbers will also be lower.

Edit: Just realized, that system has more VRAM than it has RAM.

Edit2: Ok, just found this: https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-U...em-requirements-for-fortnite-on-pc-a000084912
Even Fortnite would need 16GB RAM to stretch its legs. I suppose it would run with only 8 if you tone down the settings.

 

[luckless0]

The idle power draw, and power draw with media playback is annoyingly high. I would like to buy the B380 after it is (hopefully) released, but if the power draw is similar to the B570, and B580 under these conditions I probably will skip it.

 

[Eva01Master]

RAM is definitely on the low side. I'm not familiar with Genshin Impact (mobile port, iirc), but Fortnite shouldn't require that much RAM. As always, it also depends on what is running on the side.
Also, while very capable, a 5600 CPU will be a tad short of the fps numbers you see in reviews. Those are obtained running on 14900k, 9800X3D CPUs and such. Your numbers will also be lower.

Edit: Just realized, that system has more VRAM than it has RAM.

Edit2: Ok, just found this: https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-U...em-requirements-for-fortnite-on-pc-a000084912
Even Fortnite would need 16GB RAM to stretch its legs. I suppose it would run with only 8 if you tone down the settings.

Well, I am waiting on 32GB of memory to be delivered, that should help the poor card to stretch its legs a bit more.

 

[bug]

Well, I am waiting on 32GB of memory to be delivered, that should help the poor card to stretch its legs a bit more.

Being pedantic, but RAM doesn't help the video card (directly). RAM helps the OS not swap as often, so the OS can do other stuff, like keep that video card fed with data.
I've been building my own PCs for over 20 years, RAM has always felt like the biggest upgrade. My first (off-the-shelf) PC has 2MB RAM back when most only had 1

 

[lexluthermiester]

The idle power draw, and power draw with media playback is annoyingly high.

But not remarkable or concerning in the least. Less than 35w even during desktop activities? Come on now, are you concerned about an extra 11W(avg) of power?

Well, I am waiting on 32GB of memory to be delivered

What? Why? No game that would need over 10GB or VRAM is going to run well on this card anyway. This is a rock solid 1080p card. No game needs more than 10GB VRAM at 1080p no matter what. So what the hell would anything need 32GB of VRAM for? Are you kidding?

 

[bug]

But not remarkable or concerning in the least. Less than 35w even during desktop activities? Come on now, are you concerned about an extra 11W(avg) of power?


What? Why? No game that would need over 10GB or VRAM is going to run well on this card anyway. This is a rock solid 1080p card. No game needs more than 10GB VRAM at 1080p no matter what. So what the hell would anything need 32GB of VRAM for? Are you kidding?

I can't believe you thought he ordered VRAM for the video card...

 

[lexluthermiester]

I can't believe you thought he ordered VRAM for the video card...

What else would they be talking about? This is an article about a video card. And alot of people have been bemoaning a lack of VRAM on modern cards.