ASRock First Out With Official Support for Zen 3 CPUs on X370 Motherboards

[trsttte]

If I recall correctly asrock started making some beta bios available mere weeks after Zen 3 first launched but was told to quit it by AMD so this is not exactly surprising.

At least the excuses game from AMD/board vendors will be over

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Wasted money on failed platform (raptor lake lul), can't OC, need beefy water cooling if you want to fully use it. Yes, joke. Half ass pcie 5 to boot.

Anyone want to flash this to crosshair vi for testing

A 5800x can't OC is that a joke too? No you don't need beefy W/C there's loads using it with air cooling. Why doe it even need OC'ing if its faster than a 58/900 anyway? I accept there is nothing to use the PCIe slot for now. I am very happy with it, don't have to justify it to anybody, most it runs gaming is 5x C

You stick with your Ryzen set up....................oh wait

 

[TheGuruStud]

A 5800x can't OC is that a joke too? No you don't need beefy W/C there's loads using it with air cooling. Why doe it even need OC'ing if its faster than a 58/900 anyway? I accept there is nothing to use the PCIe slot for now.

You stick with your Ryzen set up....................oh wait

5800X can't OC? Does more than AL 100mhz

I have multiple ryzen PCs,.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

5800X can't OC? Does more than AL 100mhz

I have multiple ryzen PCs, loser.

The only redeeming thing about the Ryzen 7 5800X might be its overclocking potential, except that too isn't notable. Yes, it's overclockable, but it doesn't do much to its single-core performance, which is integral to better performance in games. It doesn't mean you'll get nothing out of the 5800X with overclocking, but it's barely worth fiddling with if it means you'll have to look into strong cooling solutions on top.

Yeah AL only OC's 100mhz.

Anyway don't want to get into a shit throwing contest, so i will just ignore you in future ok, have a good one.

 

[Mussels]

Took long enough, but i really do applaud the long term support of the AM4 platform.

I still have and use my first x370 board, and its friggin awesome to know that system has some years left in it.

5800X can't OC? Does more than AL 100mhz

I have multiple ryzen PCs, loser.

1. No, they cant. When PBO can reach 5050MHz and all core OC's tend to sit at 4.7GHz, they technically underclock.

2. Can that attitude and name calling, or you'll find out the hard way.

So. Who was all brakes on to avoid bios updates ? AMD ? Brands ? Both ?
Choosing for both but not on par, 66 % for boards makers, 33 for AMD. AMD didn't need to sell mobos. But in the same time, they need to sell so-called cool features.
Board makers needed to sell more, after poor K10 years...
Now waiting for 350 updates (a 5800x to replace my 1800x should be noice).

As this shows (again) they have to cut certain CPU types to add more.
Last thing they want is RMA claims from people with "bricked" systems because they udpated to a new BIOS and cant use their one and only CPU any longer.
AMD is trying to condense the AGESA code down, whilst also bullying the mobo makers to reduce their bloat (and they in turn are asking AMD what CPU's they can remove, as a middle ground approach)

Meh. Anyone who has an x370 probably has ddr2133 anyway. If you’re going to upgrade to latest cpu you’d probably want to upgrade ram to ensure it will run at 3200 at least. If you’re that far in may as well upgrade motherboard also. I think my x370 is pcie v2??

The main slots are PCI-E 3.0, with the chipset based slots being 2.0 (the 1x slots, possibly a bottom 4x slot)
My x370 barely ran 2133 at launch, but with BIOS and CPU udpates it runs 3200 perfectly stable in its current form, and also ran my 3600Mhz 32GB sticks just fine with raised SoC voltage.
My B450 ITX board on the other hand, despite being a ROG strix wont run above 3200 - just hates it.

 

[lemoncarbonate]

This is actually a nice move. I'm still rocking 1700X @3.8GHz with 3066MHz DDR4 (can't reach 3200) on Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5
If I can actually upgrade to 5800X later on without changing motherboard, that will be great. A little bit afraid of BIOS update stability though. Maybe buying a new motherboard would better option for stability.

That being said, I don't really need to upgrade in the near future as my PC still suffices all my needs even after 5 years.

 

[Selaya]

Haha! ADL is a joke. Only people buying are the benchers for the single core crown...that's it. DDR5 is not ready, that's why they are waiting to release Zen4. Zen 3 is all they need to compete with ADL so they don't care.
For those that have not figured this out yet... there is not enough room in bios memory for too many cpu's!

you do are aware that you can indeed run ADL w/ DDR4 yes, and that even w/ DDR4 it is like, good (ie: better than Vermeer) ... ?

 

[Naito]

Broken promises or not, I still don't believe the anger is warranted. People seem to gloss over the fact that Intel, aside from the 1151 which saw several rehashes of the same architecture, roll out a new socket every 2 years forcing an upgrade anyway. Comet Lake's 1200 socket didn't even last a year!

Zen 2 released~2.5 years after the X370 chipset. Add another year and a bit for Zen 3. Longer than most generational Intel socket compatibility

A software limit that seems manufacturers are working to remove is better than a physical limit!

 

[watzupken]

There is a strong reason why the official support only arrive at the tail end of the product cycle. That is because if they introduce this backward compatibility at the start, most motherboard makers will not be happy since it will impact sale of new boards. At the tail end of the cycle, most people who wanted a Ryzen 5000 series chip would have upgraded their motherboard to one that is compatible, and sale of new B550 or X570 boards would have slowed down considerably to cause issues to the motherboard makers. So by extending this to X370 now, they are just trying to maximise the sale of the Ryzen 5000 series chips.

It is not a bad thing, but I don't really like the idea because there is simply too much BIOS flashing involved, and some of these BIOS are badly optimised especially at the start. For example, when I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 2700 to a Ryzen 9 3900X, I ran into massive issues during the BIOS upgrade process. Even though the process looks like it is successful, the BIOS actually got corrupted. As a result, the system is very unstable. Reaching out the Asrock ( I was using a X470 Taichi) did not help as they just responded with template answers. So I had to live with an unstable system for some time because even after flashing the BIOS to the previous version did not help. The issue only went away after I decided to flash it again with the new BIOS, which somehow works this time. I've been assembling and troubleshooting my PC for more than 2 decades, and generally I don't like to meddle with the BIOS. Switching to AMD changed that because I've probably flashed more BIOS in the last 3 years, than the remaining 2 decades of PC building/ meddling. It is an easy process, but it can also mess up your system big time if something goes wrong. And in my case, something went wrong during the flashing process even though it was a simple process.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

The Pitchfork should be aimed at Asus, they made TUF boards garbage after the Sabertooth R 2.0, also they are slow to get bios updates on their ROG, Prime boards.

@TheLostSwede


They are by far better at keeping customers satisfied unlike Asus.

The ASUS 300/400 boards were terrible. 300 boards were overpriced junk, and at least in my experience the BIOS for their x470 crosshair was a buggy ustable mess that took nearly 2 years to iron out.

Really regret not getting the x470 taichi. The x570 was just a dissapointment, and now the taichis dont even get 10 Gbps ethernet.....

Broken promises or not, I still don't believe the anger is warranted. People seem to gloss over the fact that Intel, aside from the 1151 which saw several rehashes of the same architecture, roll out a new socket every 2 years forcing an upgrade anyway. Comet Lake's 1200 socket didn't even last a year!

Zen 2 released~2.5 years after the X370 chipset. Add another year and a bit for Zen 3. Longer than most generational Intel socket compatibility

A software limit that seems manufacturers are working to remove is better than a physical limit!

People seem to gloss over intel never promising to support their socket for 4 years, while AMD did then tried, repeatedly, to weasel out of their promise.

That "software limit" that manufacturers have to work around was imposed by AMD themselves! See, THIS is why people were pissed at AMD. But everyone kinda ignores that, because "muh CPU support, muh AM4"! For all the whining AMD fans do over nvidia 'mindshare" they are quite blind to the exact smae thing regarding AMD CPUs.

 

[he_found_you]

As Taichi X370 owner, looking at 5800x upgrade from my pitiful 1600 (running 3.8Ghz all-core) these news are exciting, but we already had X370 Taichi(6.62)ROM fixing the X370 Taichi(6.61)ROM that introduced 5xxx support on X370 Taichi.
I sincerely hope after Pro4 that Asrock turns attn towards https://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/x370 taichi/index.asp#BIOS and adds 6.62 or even maybe a future 6.63?
Having unnoficial BIOS really underwhelms the experience of upgrading.

BTW for those arguing memory speeds, I have 3400mhz 14-14-14-28 CR1 running rock stable 24/7 since almost 2017 when I bought these Ripjaws along with the 1600.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just drop support for any and all bulldozer and zen1 based CPUs and be done with it. I’m sure there would be plenty of space after that.

Edit: oh and all of you with 300 series motherboards still rocking the above mentioned CPUs…JUST DONT UPDATE THE BIOS

What Bulldozer support? No AM4 CPU is based on Bulldozer. That was exclusively AM3. The only thing close were the Bristol Ridge dies which were Excavator derived, but only loosely so.

 

[Mussels]

What Bulldozer support? No AM4 CPU is based on Bulldozer. That was exclusively AM3. The only thing close were the Bristol Ridge dies which were Excavator derived, but only loosely so.

Yeah, i looked it up

Excavator (the A-series athlons no one bought), Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, Zen 3 - and then the APU varieties based on those.


I'm unsure how it works at the AGESA level, but that puts at us anywhere from 6 CPU packages to 11, to be supported.