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Asteroid 2024 YR4 reaches level 3 on the Torino Scale

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So the asteroid itself would be converted into radioactive material from neutron-activation. However, The difference is that it would be distributed in the upper atmosphere rather than at ground level. I doubt most of it would be a problem though, as it would most likely decay faster than it would hit the ground. Possibly it would disrupt communication with satellites. The long-term isotopes would be from the bomb itself, and would be no different than any other airburst explosion.

The only way it would be an issue is if a large piece (20m or bigger) of irradiated material fell near a population center. Highly unlikely, as most nukes would entirely disintegrate a rocky body like that.

This is assuming that we do exactly nothing until there is no other choice than to nuke it. Bear in mind all we have to do is give it a gentle boop in 2028, or hit it with long-range rockets outside of geostationary orbit range. The only reason to use a nuke would be if we let it get into MEO or closer range before doing anything about it. Which would be kind of dumb.
 
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However, The difference is that it would be distributed in the upper atmosphere rather than at ground level.
That assumes the materials in question ever come in contact with the atmosphere. It is entirely possible none of the debris will cross paths with Earth.

Folks, we need to keep in mind that any detonation events at the object will only be surface impacts the purpose of which is functionally a thrusting action. The object will be moved off it's current course. It would be not obliterated and any resulting debris will be minuet and unlikely to effect us at all.
 
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Cancer is NOT the mutation of our DNA specifically, if that were the case we are all always positive for cancer as some of the trillions of our cells have a generoc defect from one of a million reasons. It's only when the mutation results in abnormal cell growth and its inability to die that it becomes what we call cancer.


Also on a side note the other Chernobyl reactors continued to operate after the accident. Your comment about Fukushima, who exactly has died of radiation? (The answer is zero) And John Wayne? https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/06/downwinders-nuclear-fallout-hollywood-john-wayne You mean the nuclear fallout from hundreds if not thousands of nuclear tests in the 40s and 50s? People got sick from living downwind of something that wasn't understood at the time and.the government had its own motives to keep creating more and more deadly weapons "in the name of peace" and there is nothing we can do about it now.


All of this doesn't change the fact that if the option is a 100m asteroid hits earth and causes unknown damage to a large population (maybe it hits a nuclear power plant or causes the next Fukushima with a tsunami) and sending a nuclear warhead to space to break it up and its "fallout" causes a 1% increase in cancer in a particular area..... which would you rather?
Cas actually IS the mutation of DNA, which is handled by our own immune reaction of the body.
How about some proof:

No, Chernobil did not operate after the incident. But the reaction was still going on for quite some time, as it is not shut down like light OFF switch. ;)
Again. there are some serous numbers behind the radiation death toll, here is an article about it about Chernobyl & Fukushima: https://ourworldindata.org/what-was-the-death-toll-from-chernobyl-and-fukushima
Also, you can check those against other radiation incidents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll
So telling us that "increased radiation" had nothing to do with it...my response is :roll:

Thanks for at least admitting that John Wayne too early demise was also contributed by nuclear radiation exposure! :cool:


Again, I seriously doubt that path of the asteroid is in the way of any nuclear facility, given that it is mostly striking 3rd world countries!
2nd, after Fukushima happen, IAEA learned a lesion. So back-up generators should not be within the striking distance of the wave. But it is too early for any speculation, as we:
1. do not know the path, as the striking ratio is about ~1/50 -> trajectory needs to be defined!
2. if it impacts, we do not know the point of impact -> see step 1.
3. we do not even know the "keyhole trajectory", or the "keyhole" point after which it would strike Earth by 100% chance! -> see step 1.
4. we do not know its rotation speed, which would influence where & how to deflect it. -> see step 1.
4. we do not know the size of the asteroid, as it is 40~90m wide...that is not so accurate, so we can't know the exact Mt it would do to Earth (we know that 90m would make ~500x of Heroshima bomb).
5. we do not know the composition of asteroid, which would help us to move it...as ice on it can be melt & ejected into space, so giving "a rocket boost" on the surface of asteroid. That is something a metal based asteroids can't be deflected with, so DART impact or bomb deflection are option to those.
6. we do not know the color of the asteroid, so we do know if we can wrap it up in solar sail material or paint it so the Sun can make the change of trajectory.
etc.
So blowing thing up, is & always should be last resort! Not to mention that uncertainty of the nuclear deflection is possible in vacuum of space, at least in significant degree to make a change of trajectory. :cool:

Uh, you appear to not understand radioactivity either. That's okay, it's not a simple concept but there's loads of resources out there that are interesting reads. Wikipedia's not the worst place to start for high-level overviews.

The only radioactive elements that we're adding by nuking 2024 YR4 would be the fission metals in the warhead, uranium and plutonium. the deuterium and tritium would be fused so there's neutron radiation that's gone shortly after the fusion reaction ends.

"irradiated" is an umbrella term for land, food, water, whatever that has been either contaminated by radioactive particulates, or something that has been sterilised by ionising radiation. Uranium-235 and plutonium-239 are the ones we're concerned about if we nuke an asteroid, and one nuke's worth of material are going to be dispersed in the atmosphere if the nuke is unsuceessful in diverting 2024 YR4.

For the record, "the atmosphere" is ~500 million square kilometres of earth's surface to a height of ~100 km or so as defined by most scientists. That's a grand total of 50 billion cubic kilometers of air to disperse/dilute one nuke's worth of radioactive fallout. Whatever the outcome, it's far less concerning than the 500 far more localised, low-level atmospheric nuclear tests that have already happened, so can we please stop worrying about it?
Again, we do not know the size, shape, color or spin of the asteroid...not to mention its composition!

To assume that it will not get irradiated by an explosion, is a but assumption & not very scientific one!

& BTW, it is not U-235 or P-239 that is the problem after explosion...but isotopes of Sr, Te, Cs, Ba, Ce, etc. ;)
 
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No, Chernobil did not operate after the incident.
Yes it did. All 3 of the remaining reactor plants were in operation after the Chernobyl accident. They had to as they were a required part of the power grid. The last reactor was shut down in Dec of 2000 and had remained operational up until that time.
 
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Yes it did. All 3 of the remaining reactor plants were in operation after the Chernobyl accident. They had to as they were a required part of the power grid. The last reactor was shut down in Dec of 2000 and had remained operational up until that time.
Sorry, admitting they were shut down as energy needs were needed...I knew one was soon shut down, thought it was for all 4 of them!

Funny how low regards to safety was given, when energy, politics & money is involved.
 
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Sorry, admitting they were shut down as energy needs were needed...I knew one was soon shut down, thought it was for all 4 of them!

Funny how low regards to safety was given, when energy, politics & money is involved.
 

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Guys...

Can we leave the radiation discussion elsewhere? Unless there is some form of news that confirms use of nuclear devices on it, it is pretty firmly O/T.

Let's just talk about big space rock instead.
 
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I have to joke with some, quite a few colleagues. If you think you can scare me with this pebble, you haven't succeeded. Someone even calculated 7.6Mt of nuclear equivalent energy, I don't even want to see the formulas that were used. Which would have a global impact. Yes, I know that even the spread of a butterfly's wings can cause a global effect under very special circumstances. I don't understand anything about psychology, but please keep your paranoia to yourself. There would be no global effect from this pebble. It's too small. A gastroenterologist scientist, an acquaintance of mine, also tried to worry me with this asteroid, I told him to deal with the stomachs of his patients, since this is the profession he really understands.
 
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More accuracy can be found here:

or here:

So please stop advocating to "nuke it"...& try to be scientific about this rock, not primal! :cool:


BTW, back OT...did you notice how 2024 YR4 came into news recently? Headlines we bad & inaccurate, mostly advocating fear...but finally some media coverage! ;)

So here is what we are doing about 2024 YR4:
I am looking forward to see more accurate data from JWST, as it is positioning to have a look with IRS on the asteroid.
Source: https://blogs.esa.int/rocketscience...space-telescope-will-study-asteroid-2024-yr4/

BTW, did you know that there is 0,5% change of hitting a Moon?! :confused:

EDIT: also check what happen with 8m wave on UK:
 
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But it might still smash in Moon! ;)

Only with 1.7% odds but yes. The moon gets hit all the time btw, its an excellent shield for the earth. Useful little gravity well it is.
 
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