ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Dual

[blackie]

No a bad card. I like the 8-pin power connector but why so high IDLE consumption compared to my old MSI 2070 Armor (9W), 4070 Founders Edition version (9W), or even PNY 4070 (11W)?
If they fix the idle power consumption maybe I'll buy it for upgrade (both eyes closed because of the price).

 

[izy]

No a bad card. I like the 8-pin power connector but why so high IDLE consumption compared to my old MSI 2070 Armor (9W), 4070 Founders Edition version (9W), or even PNY 4070 (11W)?
If they fix the idle power consumption maybe I'll buy it for upgrade (both eyes closed because of the price).

Maybe because this has a 8 phase design compared to others that only have 6 phase ?

 

[Boink24a]

How many PCIe slots does this one take?

2.56 slot according to Asus page.

 

[H4zelnut]

nice balanced design - not too thick, not too long, not too heavy and with metal backplate unlike Ventus 3x also the dual bios is a nice addition. wouldn't mind some LED though

 

[blackie]

Maybe because this has a 8 phase design compared to others that only have 6 phase ?

Don't think so, Asus TUF version has 10-phase design with all the same power controllers and the idle consumption is 12 Watts.
I hope Asus can improve this via future firmware update...

 

[Taraquin]

Impressive. There seems to be no point getting TUF or Strix as this model using quiet bios is dead silent while stayed quite cool. The extra 3% TUF gets you won't be noticable.

 

[AnotherReader]

Thanks for the timely and comprehensive review! I am in awe that you single handedly managed to review so many video cards in a couple of days. I think this is a better buy than the founder's edition with dual BIOS and easily replaceable fans. While the 4070 is the cheapest Ada option yet, it's more expensive than it should be. To summarize:

Pros	Cons
Cheapest next gen card so far Low power draw Normal sized video cards	Price too high for its performance: see the 6800XT

I'll wait until the 7800XT launches to make a decision. I expect that to be slower in ray tracing, but have decent power consumption, and lower price.

 

[blackie]

I see many people on youtube criticizing 4070 launch as a disaster but IMHO there are only 2 things wrong: PRICE and VRAM size
With every new generation we see manufacturing process improvement but on the contrary also dramatic increase of power requirements.
It leads me to question:
Is gaming on 4K monitor now really worth related performance/price/power/heat issues and pushing the technology way over the optimal/responsible limits?
Not for me, I am the minority who appreciates fast sub 200 watts cards for 1440p gaming until they have enough performance for 4K.
Trying to optimize my PC for low consumption(electricity prices in Europe are crazy) and for that purpose 4070 seems like a good option.
Version with 16-20GB VRAM would be better (for the same or lower price).

 

[kapone32]

I see so many people on youtube criticizing 4070 launch as a disaster but IMHO there are only 2 things wrong: PRICE and VRAM size
With every new generation we see manufacturing process improvement but on the contrary also dramatic increase of power requirements.
It leads me to question:
Is gaming on 4K monitor now really worth related performance/price/power/heat issues and pushing the technology way over the optimal/responsible limits?
Not for me, I am the minority who appreciates fast sub 200 watts cards for 1440p gaming until they have enough performance for 4K.
Trying to optimize my PC for low consumption(electricity price in Europe is crazy) and for this purpose 4070 is a good option.
Version with 16-20GB VRAM would be better (for the same or lower price).

Well I only play 4K with my 7900XT. It handles any Game I play with ease. Yes it consumes a little bit more power than my 6800XT but I have not noticed a difference in power draw. BTW for all of those quoting the Power Draw since last year the Driver update has the max draw of 255 Watts for the 6800XT.

 

[unwind-protect]

I see so many people on youtube criticizing 4070 launch as a disaster but IMHO there are only 2 things wrong: PRICE and VRAM size
With every new generation we see manufacturing process improvement but on the contrary also dramatic increase of power requirements.
It leads me to question:
Is gaming on 4K monitor now really worth related performance/price/power/heat issues and pushing the technology way over the optimal/responsible limits?
Not for me, I am the minority who appreciates fast sub 200 watts cards for 1440p gaming until they have enough performance for 4K.
Trying to optimize my PC for low consumption(electricity prices in Europe are crazy) and for this purpose 4070 seems like a good option.
Version with 16-20GB VRAM would be better (for the same or lower price).

My monitor choice is not dominated by gaming. I want 4k for productivity and to watch 4k movies.

 

[Taraquin]

Power consumption, though. That is the main thing I look at right now. Summer is coming, and I can't say I enjoyed my 3080 during the last two summers.

That was my first 300+ W card and I'm never doing that again. Only the undervolt saved it for me.

I regret not going with the 3070 back then. The 4070 would make a better upgrade now, but I'll probably still sidegrade my 3080. With an undervolt, it'll do 100-150 W with Vsync.

I think I like the ASUS card the most in this line-up. The MSI Ventus is quieter, but it's very long. I like the quiet BIOS too, so I don't have mess with the fan profile.

I would say UV is essential for most with 3080s anyways. Easy to shave off 100W for same performance or 150W for 5-10% lower perf. No brainer But on the other hand, you could UV the 4070 and shave off 50W for same perf or 80W for 5-10% lower perf.

 

[XDDDant]

Got one with audible coil whine in the P300A case, it's fine for me but your mileage may vary

 

[blackie]

Got one with audible coil whine in the P300A case, it's fine for me but your mileage may vary

Thanks for the warning, no good news for my favourite card. Seems similar to 4070 Ti situation with Asus cards.
Found this video:

Let's see if MSI Trio and Gigabyte models are better in this...

 

[Greenzombie04]

Why does it matter if this has 12gb or 16gb if its out performing the 6800xt?


Everyone saying the 6800xt is $100 cheaper, I'm finding it $40 cheaper.

The 4070 is quieter, more energy efficient and does ray tracing better. Seems like its worth the $40.

Like I said though I dont understand the big deal in being 12gb instead of 16gb. If the 16gb is benching the same as this 12gb card.

 

[THU31]

Why does it matter if this has 12gb or 16gb if its out performing the 6800xt?

Like I said though I dont understand the big deal in being 12gb instead of 16gb. If the 16gb is benching the same as this 12gb card.

Not really. There are some unoptimized games out there like Callisto Protocol, Hogwarts Legacy and The Last of Us. If you use max settings with ray tracing, those games can stutter even on 12 GB cards, and it shows in benchmarks as well.

Other games like Dead Space or Cyberpunk have no problems even on 8 GB cards. So it is a question of optimization, but unfortunately it's likely that we'll see more games like this in the near future.

 

[Greenzombie04]

Thank you for that information.

Guess I’ll wait for 7700xt/7800xt

6800xt is interesting but cant help think the 7700xt might be a more efficient 6800xt

or

those new cards will cause the 6800xt to drop more in price.

 

[sn2x]

Why does it matter if this has 12gb or 16gb if its out performing the 6800xt? Everyone saying the 6800xt is $100 cheaper, I'm finding it $40 cheaper. The 4070 is quieter, more energy efficient and does ray tracing better. Seems like its worth the $40. Like I said though I dont understand the big deal in being 12gb instead of 16gb. If the 16gb is benching the same as this 12gb card.

Those are the reasons I went for the 4070, along with the fact that DLSS2 looks better than FSR2. It was an easy choice for me. Hardware Unboxed compared DLSS2 and FSR2 and found DLSS2 looked better at both 1440p and 4K. They even found DLSS2 better than native in some instances.

7800 XT might end up being faster in raster, but it will be worse in RT and has worse upscaling tech (making RDNA3s worse RT even less ideal).

 

[Petrasr]

Should anyone be worried about GPU sag in this card?

I've heard about RTX 30 cards starting to have this issue.

 

[W1zzard]

Should anyone be worried about GPU sag in this card?

I've heard about RTX 30 cards starting to have this issue.

There is almost no sag, it's a very lightweight card

 

[Gungar]

The math checks out, though. 3070 had a 392 mm2 die, 4070 has a 294 mm2. TSMC's 5 nm is 60% more expensive than 7 nm.
That means $500 x 0.75 x 1.6 = $600 exactly.

And the thing is, NVIDIA had a much better deal with Samsung than they would have had with TSMC for Ampere. They even got many dies for free in the beginning when yields were bad.

And a graphics card is not just the GPU, but many other components. "Inflation" is a thing unfortunately (as artificial as it may be). And this generation is just the beginning. 3 nm is supposed to add another 25% to the cost.

Nvidia was using Samsung 8nm cheaper node than TSMC 7nm.

 

[Keyop]

This card is the best. I love the quiet mode bios switch. My computer is silent now, even when pushing the card very hard in games. I don't think I ever want a noisy card again. 12gb is enough for 1440p, at least for now. I do wish it had more but but this quiet gaming is worth it.

 

[droopyRO]

I got one of these, open box, but in excellent condition. Got a few days off and got to tinker with it. The dual BIOS is what sold me. Very little difference between the Q and P vBIOS-es. But it is a great feature for people that don't want to tinker with MSI Afterburner or such tools and fan curves.
The efficency is extrodinary, ~160W with UV and the performance is very close to that of a RTX 3080.

Would have gotten a RX 6950 XT but they are more expensive here by about 100$ and i only have two PCIE cables from my Seasonic Core 650W PSU, one with 1x8p and one with two 8p. I did not want to use such a power hungry GPU in that situation and buying a new PSU would have been another 100$ for about 10-15% more performance in Warhammer III :/

 

[seoguru]

Hi I read somewhere the Asus dual card was only 2 slots might get it this week just sold my gigabyte 6650 xt OC, pretty good card for a cheap price I like the efficiency numbers and quiet operation, I get it why its not a previous gen killer but from 2070 its a massive jump.

I am a regular 4090 system builder but I don't see the point its over kill, any game on ultra that gives 150 fps is good enough for anyone for ever besides if you run a 4070 and 4090 side by side you cant tell which card is what so again what's the point 600 quid or 1200 - 1500 your eyes cant tell the difference other than your diminishing bank balance.

Much better buying a AM4 high end CPU, advised all my mates to stay away from AM5 boards and CPU's yes its not just ASUS motherboards its all of them and even the 7600 CPU has bugs not found in in last few AMD CPU gens plus again its hard to justify paying twice as much over the 5800x performance its all one needs even in real life the 5700G feels really fast in real life use!

 

[Bi7hazard]

Can anyone tell me how much the power limit can be lowered on msi afterburner?

 

[droopyRO]

50%.