ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF

[evernessince]

I'm using the same version, parameters and setup for all, so should be comparable. No doubt that tweaking the parameters can affect the scores slightly, also resolution and other settings to make cards look better if they have more than x GB VRAM


That's what I did. Even once for each different GPU. Before testing I reached out to all GPU vendors and asked for their thoughts and guidance on GPU compute. I guess you know who replied first, second and who I had to send a "did you see this?" email


They quantize "optimize" it down to FP16


I'm aware of that and I'll be making changes to compute testing throughout the year. Really appreciate the feedback


Definitely a great suggestion, but AMD support is even worse, no Intel OneAPI either, and I think more people can relate to A1111

Very thorough work in regards to the test, appreciate it! A1111 is what most people use so I think that's definitely a good starting point for any tests.

 

[SpaceAce]

MSRP in Sweden for 4070 Ti was 10499 SEK.

MSRP in Sweden for 4070 Ti Super is 10399 SEK and they had a very big stock of different cards for MSRP.

My preferred dealer got 100 Asus 4070 Ti Super TUF and they sold out in two minutes. I got one for 10399 SEK - very happy!

As a reference 4080 TUF cheapest now is 16495 SEK.

 

[MarsM4N]

Mindfactory sales data is not representative of the global state of affairs and reflects exclusively the mindshare of the aggressively budget minded European consumer. You're talking about AMD's stronghold and battleground, my suggestion: ask T4C Fantasy for the GPU-Z numbers on a DM. He'll probably share...

Well, "Mr. Moore" just confirmed that the 4070 Super sells like crap & the 4070 Ti Super has "paper launch" low stocks (according to his sources). And his contacts aren't sitting in Europe (US actually).

Even AMD raised again the prices for the 7900 XT after the reviews of the 4070 Ti Super where out, exposing what a turd it is, lol.

 

[Why_Me]

Well, "Mr. Moore" just confirmed that the 4070 Super sells like crap & the 4070 Ti Super has "paper launch" low stocks (according to his sources). And his contacts aren't sitting in Europe (US actually).

Even AMD raised again the prices for the 7900 XT after the reviews of the 4070 Ti Super where out, exposing what a turd it is, lol.

Those cards are starting to show up in Germany.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=566

 

[BorntoPlayGJFF]

So this is the best model for MSRP? i already sold my venerable EVGA RTX 2070 Black so i was looking for an upgrade for the next 5 years

 

[Why_Me]

So this is the best model for MSRP? i already sold my venerable EVGA RTX 2070 Black s i was looking for an upgrade for the next 5 years

This one and the Zotac going by the reviews on here.

 

[wheresmycar]

Well, "Mr. Moore" just confirmed that the 4070 Super sells like crap & the 4070 Ti Super has "paper launch" low stocks (according to his sources). And his contacts aren't sitting in Europe (US actually).

Even AMD raised again the prices for the 7900 XT after the reviews of the 4070 Ti Super where out, exposing what a turd it is, lol.

they really did cock it up dressing 60-class GPUs as 70-class misfits. The 4070 TI SUPER to some extent fixes that (IMO) but cocks it up with a 80-class $799 price tag. A mess to begin with, and still a mess. Perhaps not for Nvidia... but us enthusiastic reckless minions.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well, "Mr. Moore" just confirmed that the 4070 Super sells like crap & the 4070 Ti Super has "paper launch" low stocks (according to his sources). And his contacts aren't sitting in Europe (US actually).

Even AMD raised again the prices for the 7900 XT after the reviews of the 4070 Ti Super where out, exposing what a turd it is, lol.

Since when are we supposed to take "leakers" seriously? But just so you know, the 4090 has outsold the entire AMD stack combined, or the 4080 and 4070 Ti models combined to date. Like I said, ask T4C for the GPU-Z numbers. He'll share them with you.

 

[Scircura]

The heatsink in the teardown looks exactly like the 4070 Super TUF (non-Ti). Any idea where the additional 138g of weight comes from (1316g vs 1178g)? It doesn't seem like the extra power phase and memory chips on the board could account for all of it. Oh, there's the extra 84mm² silicon of the die. I see some minor differences in the underside of the fan shroud, maybe that contributes too?

But the heatsinks on both cards have the same number of aluminum slats, I nearly gave myself a seizure trying to count them in the photo.

Eyeballing the noise-normalized charts, it looks like the 4070 Ti Super TUF has about a 5°C advantage over the 4070 non-Ti Super TUF. I guess that's the advantage of having a larger die with more heat transfer surface.

 

[apoklyps3]

Since when are we supposed to take "leakers" seriously? But just so you know, the 4090 has outsold the entire AMD stack combined, or the 4080 and 4070 Ti models combined to date. Like I said, ask T4C for the GPU-Z numbers. He'll share them with you.

sure, we will take you seriously instead, cause Mr. Moore is just a simpleton "leaker"

 

[Dr. Dro]

sure, we will take you seriously instead, cause Mr. Moore is just a simpleton "leaker"

MLID is a simpleton leaker, there I said it. But have you asked T4C for the stats as I've told you? Or...

 

[apoklyps3]

Who's t4c? Never heard of him

 

[Teddy1983]

I have, I've been testing since yesterday and let me tell you that the memory temperatures are somehow strangely high. In Q2 RT during a few minutes of gameplay they reached 88 degrees Celsius, in another test (maybe after heating the card) they reached 84 degrees Celsius. Only there such a strange result came out. In other games below.

QUAKE 2 RT Demo Full 4K native

 

[Dr. Dro]

Who's t4c? Never heard of him

He is the GPU DB maintainer. Not a TPU regular?

Who's going to buy a 4070Ti Super for that price? Anyone? Hello?!?

NVIDIA RTX 4070 Ti SUPER outpaces AMD RX 7600 XT sales on launch day 9:1 at German retailer - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 4070 TI SUPER gets more attention than the RX 7600 XT on launch day, but still behind the RX 7800 XT when it came out The RTX 4070 Ti SUPER sold in at least 280 units at one German retailer, while the RX 7600 XT only scores 30 sales, reports 3DCenter. The RTX […]

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[BorntoPlayGJFF]

This one and the Zotac going by the reviews on here.

Thanks, I just ordered the ASUS 4070 TI Super TUF, I got a great discount with my CC Rewards so I will only have to pay $699, which seems like a good price to me.

 

[MarsM4N]

Since when are we supposed to take "leakers" seriously? But just so you know, the 4090 has outsold the entire AMD stack combined, or the 4080 and 4070 Ti models combined to date. Like I said, ask T4C for the GPU-Z numbers. He'll share them with you.

But for sure not by gamers. This statement is absolutely ridicules. Like the majority is a rich as fu** and just goes out to buy a 4090, lol! Nvidia's numbers are totally "cooked up". Production lines are running hot on miner & AI demand, and since even that couldn't met demand gamer cards getting hoovered up by businesses & even states (Cheena).

"The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself." - Winston Churchill

NVIDIA RTX 4070 Ti SUPER outpaces AMD RX 7600 XT sales on launch day 9:1 at German retailer - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 4070 TI SUPER gets more attention than the RX 7600 XT on launch day, but still behind the RX 7800 XT when it came out The RTX 4070 Ti SUPER sold in at least 280 units at one German retailer, while the RX 7600 XT only scores 30 sales, reports 3DCenter. The RTX […]

videocardz.com

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Which tells us exactly what? That the German end user does not purchase a low tier 7600XT because it's either trash or doesn't provide a substantial enough upgrade over what they already have in their rig.

But like you said, it's just one single reseller. Btw., get ready for it, the sales data where used from an article from 3DCenter.org and they did a whole article where they analyzed all sales numbers released by TechEpiphanyYT for Minfactory for the year of 2023. Very much worth a read (use Google's translator if German isn't your thing). TL;DR for 2023: cards sold (total): 100.400 (AMD) / 88.200 (Nvidia) / 1.010 (Intel); ASP (Average Sales Price): 573€ (AMD) / 761€ (Nvidia) / 236€ (Intel); revenue (total): 57,46mil € (AMD) / 67,12mil € (Nvidia) / 0,24mil (Intel). They also got a nice graph for Q4's sold cards:

Grafikkarten-Verkaufsstatistik Mindfactory 2023 (Page 1) (Page 2)

 

[Deleted member 237813]

70 Card 900€ nvidia lost its mind completely.

MLID is a simpleton leaker

more like a straight lier

 

[Dawora]

But for sure not by gamers. This statement is absolutely ridicules. Like the majority is a rich as fu** and just goes out to buy a 4090, lol! Nvidia's numbers are totally "cooked up". Production lines are running hot on miner & AI demand, and since even that couldn't met demand gamer cards getting hoovered up by businesses & even states (Cheena).

"The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself." - Winston Churchill


Which tells us exactly what? That the German end user does not purchase a low tier 7600XT because it's either trash or doesn't provide a substantial enough upgrade over what they already have in their rig.

But like you said, it's just one single reseller. Btw., get ready for it, the sales data where used from an article from 3DCenter.org and they did a whole article where they analyzed all sales numbers released by TechEpiphanyYT for Minfactory for the year of 2023. Very much worth a read (use Google's translator if German isn't your thing). TL;DR for 2023: cards sold (total): 100.400 (AMD) / 88.200 (Nvidia) / 1.010 (Intel); ASP (Average Sales Price): 573€ (AMD) / 761€ (Nvidia) / 236€ (Intel); revenue (total): 57,46mil € (AMD) / 67,12mil € (Nvidia) / 0,24mil (Intel). They also got a nice graph for Q4's sold cards:


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(d)Gpu marketshare
INTEL 2.7%
AMD 10.1%
NVIDIA 87.2%

So Nvidia is clear winner.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

The number are correct. But nvidia is not doing as well as they would like to in gaming. the super cards prove that.

Nvidia brought Super with Turing. Now lets see.

Turing was a hated generation it was barely faster but much more expensive, sounds familiar doesn’t it?

Thats why they brought new gpus for the same msrp.

Nvidia will never lower prices significantly they will rather give you more hardware for the same money. not hard with the cut down chips.

but nvidia is scamming us openly since the 600 series.

Amd does this too bit the value is still a lot better especially after the super release.

4070TI Super 256 Bit Bus, 16GB, 4070Super amount of L2 Cache( this and the powerlimited TBP hold the card back just as wanted. 889€

Rx7900XT 320 bit bus, 20gb
759€

The amd is most of the times faster especially at 4k

Cyberpunk non rt 4k native the 7900xt is = 4080 level. Just 1 example

But yes still expensive. it should have released at 759€ as 7800XT since that’s exactly what the 7900xt is. So by now after a year it should be 650€. that would be almost pre turing price for this class of a card.

So once again competition is good for all of us.

intel will kick butt in a few years. cant wait.

 

[wheresmycar]

But for sure not by gamers. This statement is absolutely ridicules. Like the majority is a rich as fu** and just goes out to buy a 4090, lol! Nvidia's numbers are totally "cooked up". Production lines are running hot on miner & AI demand, and since even that couldn't met demand gamer cards getting hoovered up by businesses & even states (Cheena).

"The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself." - Winston Churchill


Which tells us exactly what? That the German end user does not purchase a low tier 7600XT because it's either trash or doesn't provide a substantial enough upgrade over what they already have in their rig.

But like you said, it's just one single reseller. Btw., get ready for it, the sales data where used from an article from 3DCenter.org and they did a whole article where they analyzed all sales numbers released by TechEpiphanyYT for Minfactory for the year of 2023. Very much worth a read (use Google's translator if German isn't your thing). TL;DR for 2023: cards sold (total): 100.400 (AMD) / 88.200 (Nvidia) / 1.010 (Intel); ASP (Average Sales Price): 573€ (AMD) / 761€ (Nvidia) / 236€ (Intel); revenue (total): 57,46mil € (AMD) / 67,12mil € (Nvidia) / 0,24mil (Intel). They also got a nice graph for Q4's sold cards:


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thats rather impressive for the AMD camp but im not surprised one bit!! I'm a regular at PCPP so i'm constantly seeing people's regular choice of hardware and for gaming AMD cards tend to get a little more mention over Nvidia cards. The 7800 XT is one of the cards that gets a lot of attention or in tight budget scenarios the 66'ers/67'ers. For professional workloads its mostly nV cards + gaming and streaming simultaneously where Nvenc seems to be the desired approach amongst buyers.

What annoys me most is Nvidia's 40-series performance ceiling is unmatched (clearly the superior of the two, perf, efficiency, features, etc) but they just couldn't help screwing up with badly choreographed performance tiers and horribly gimping cards below 80-class, and no doubt the biggest culprit these ridiculously fattened up asking prices. The 4080 SUPER might just be the only appealing option in 40-series with a $200 trim + hopefully a nice performance bump over the 4080 EOL... but then again whether its the 4080 SUPER or AMD's XTX, i wouldn't pay a dime over $800 for either (ew).

As for AMD, are they really any different? The value-driven incursion is no more or never was. I can't see any long-term strategic interest in significantly expanding on their small overall market share, only bending sideways to profit as much as they can, closely trailing the Nvidia price to profit madness. If Nvidia jumped off the cliff, AMD would follow. But then again, i'm actually glad to see AMD putting a small dent in Nvidia's gold plated inflated balloon.

EDIT: @MarsM4N any similar reports on CPU sales from 3DC/TEYT? I'm interested in seeing how Zen 4 stacks up against Zen 3 + vs 13th/14th Gen in Q4-2023. Got a link to follow up on quarterly reports?

 

[Dr. Dro]

The number are correct. But nvidia is not doing as well as they would like to in gaming. the super cards prove that.

Nvidia brought Super with Turing. Now lets see.

Turing was a hated generation it was barely faster but much more expensive, sounds familiar doesn’t it?

Thats why they brought new gpus for the same msrp.

Nvidia will never lower prices significantly they will rather give you more hardware for the same money. not hard with the cut down chips.

but nvidia is scamming us openly since the 600 series.

Amd does this too bit the value is still a lot better especially after the super release.

4070TI Super 256 Bit Bus, 16GB, 4070Super amount of L2 Cache( this and the powerlimited TBP hold the card back just as wanted. 889€

Rx7900XT 320 bit bus, 20gb
759€

The amd is most of the times faster especially at 4k

Cyberpunk non rt 4k native the 7900xt is = 4080 level. Just 1 example

But yes still expensive. it should have released at 759€ as 7800XT since that’s exactly what the 7900xt is. So by now after a year it should be 650€. that would be almost pre turing price for this class of a card.

So once again competition is good for all of us.

intel will kick butt in a few years. cant wait.

Turing was a "hated generation", because its pricing was exquisite due to large dies and being so early: it launched before DirectX 12 Ultimate and it already had full compliance to that API standard, in other words, it was ahead of time, ahead of technology and there was basically no software to make use of its extensive capabilities that obviously drove the price upwards. You do know that the TU102 is a 754mm² die, right? And even the TU104 was a very large 545mm² processor. Dies of that size don't come cheap. On the other hand, Navi 10 was a small 251 mm² die, because it lacked all of the auxiliary blocks that gave Turing its extensive raytracing and tensor processing capabilities that became the foundation for a modern GPU.

It must be noted that AMD's GPUs available at the same time frame are downlevel hardware (Neither Vega 10, Vega 20 or Navi 10 are at all DX12 Ultimate capable - and the Vega cards aren't even getting regular driver updates anymore, just on a lazy maintenance branch) and had severe issues with bugs, not to mention that when you spoke of raster (which was the most relevant performance metric at the time), Navi 10 maxed out a cutdown TU104 performance level (somewhere between the RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2080 vanilla) without offering anything else that its competitor could do - not to mention that the auxiliary features like the encoder were either completely absent or far inferior. AMD didn't charge Turing-like prices because their hardware was 1. cheaper and easier to manufacture, 2. decidedly worse and 3. had very real, tangible issues with the software that supported it, and thus had a tainted reputation. You remember the infamous black screen problems of the 5700 XT, yes? Or are we going to pretend that didn't happen?

Nvidia is scamming no one. They have a product with a superior feature set and there is clear market for it. If you can't afford their products, just buy the aforementioned Radeon, enjoy its strengths and simultaneously deal with the consequences of that choice: you can't run a few things? Well, if it was lighter on your wallet and you feel at peace with that, I don't see the problem.

 

[Teddy1983]

Hi. I would like to ask why I don't see any difference in the operation of this card in terms of the bios used? On both calm and normal bios, the card reaches the same temperatures during the same test, the fans run the same and the parameters of the card are unchanged. I explain it to myself by the fact that I have a fairly large and airy computer case, but can this affect basically identical measurements? Here's just a demo from Quake 2 RT with Steam. By the way, the only game that brought the vram memory to 88 degrees C. Can anyone with this card check out this game at the highest settings at native 4k or 4k upscaling? I'm interested to see if it's normal for this card in this game, because in others the memory temperatures are fine. Thanks in advance.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Hi. I would like to ask why I don't see any difference in the operation of this card in terms of the bios used? On both calm and normal bios, the card reaches the same temperatures during the same test, the fans run the same and the parameters of the card are unchanged. I explain it to myself by the fact that I have a fairly large and airy computer case, but can this affect basically identical measurements? Here's just a demo from Quake 2 RT with Steam. By the way, the only game that brought the vram memory to 88 degrees C. Can anyone with this card check out this game at the highest settings at native 4k or 4k upscaling? I'm interested to see if it's normal for this card in this game, because in others the memory temperatures are fine. Thanks in advance.

That is to be expected. Your hardware isn't throttling with the quiet BIOS and they have about the same power limit, alas, performance will be identical with both of them.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

Nvidia is scamming no one

Ah yes a nother fanboy. also almost everything you said is wrong. yes turing had big chips but as a customer i dont give a fuck. i give a crap about perfromance and turnign was terrible at that. thats why they needed the super cards just like with ada. but hey nvidia gaming cards are literally the trash from the ai segment nothing more. the trash thbey cant sell for 10k because they didnt made it.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Ah yes a nother fanboy. also almost everything you said is wrong. yes turing had big chips but as a customer i dont give a fuck. i give a crap about perfromance and turnign was terrible at that. thats why they needed the super cards just like with ada. but hey nvidia gaming cards are literally the trash from the ai segment nothing more. the trash thbey cant sell for 10k because they didnt made it.

Nothing I said is wrong, and everything can be verified with minimal research.