ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF

[R0H1T]

Oh look "introductory prices" grab'em while they're hot

 

[thunderingroar]

Great review.

"16 GB VRAM rarely makes a difference"

Like I said

Imagine defending 12GB 800$ GPUs in 2023 when 700$ 1080Ti had 11GB in 2017. I guess people really care about Nvidia and their 70% margins so they go out of their way to act smug on forums when it doesnt make a big difference in current games even tho the entire argument about VRAM is future games and making the card last longer.

There's 0 reasons why 4070ti had 12GB other than Nvidia's pure greed. Not inflation, not memory prices, they just got an inferior product, it should have had 16GB all along, but people will defend their bad purchasing decision to no end

 

[rv8000]

Last gen:
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Two gens back:
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If you wanna cherry pick two models where manf. are hiding behind physical ratings of the connectors sure (1x6p 1x8p on the 2080s, 2x8pin on the 3090); other msrp/cheap models exist/existed and had PL adjustment above the stock TDP. Another reason why it’s sad EVGA is gone.

Theres no reason for no adjustment when using the 12vhpr connector and it’s not even at 50% of the rated max. Scummy and continues to get worse each gen.

 

[scooze]

Мany people expected this card, but is the worst super card of the three.
4070 super more profitable than 4070 by 17% at the same cost.
4070ti super more profitable than 4070ti by only 9%.
4080 super will be faster than 4080 by 5% and 20% cheaper and ultimately 26% more profitable.

And if you compare supers with each other, the 4070 super really stands out.

 

[W1zzard]

I think your wrong about the cache size ,it does have 64mb not 48.
This card is underperforming ,something else is holding it back.
That's what other sites are reporting

NVIDIA's Reviewer's Guide clearly states 48 MB, I just double checked for you

 

[rv8000]

Мany people expected this card, but is the worst super card of the three.
4070 super more profitable than 4070 by 17% at the same cost.
4070ti super more profitable than 4070ti by only 9%.
4080 super will be faster than 4080 by 5% and 20% cheaper and ultimately 26% more profitable.

And if you compare supers with each other, the 4070 super really stands out.

Aside from a limited run of FE models on the 4080s, Ill be very surprised if the cheapest available 4080s wont be 1099-1149, and more like 1249 on the average, not to mention the 1400usd+ theyll cost everywhere else outside of the US.

 

[bug]

Great review, again
Priceing in EU looking to be around 890-1000Euro here, so quite hefty bump from the 800US retail.
Guess we will wait and see if they drop.

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MSRP doesn't include the sales tax in the US. So even over there, these will be ~$900 (cheaper in some states). In the EU, it's basically 1000€.

 

[Onasi]

Mediocre, but not awful. I think the 4070Ti both base and now Super suffers from the consequence of originally being the 4080 tier SKU and NVidia being, understandably, very stubborn about lowering it down price-wise too much. It’s kind of the red-headed stepchild of the generation. Too expensive for the vast majority to justify and yet too close (relatively) in price to the 4080 for being considered by big money purchasers. The refresh adding memory will help, but I don’t think it will help too much. Especially in the markets where one would be able to grab a FE of the 4080S for 999.
tl:dr The whole stack this generation is an exercise in picking a least bad option.

 

[Assimilator]

First time in a long time that I've been impressed with an ASUS product in terms of price vs performance (MSRP and you get an extra display output). More of this please ASUS, as opposed to overpriced bling!

@W1zzard Typo on page #4, "Is is built using a 5 nanometer process..." should be "It is built using a 5 nanometer process...". (Where's that damn TPU proofreader when you need 'em, huh?)

16 GB VRAM rarely makes a difference

Oh boy, are the children going to cry about that statement. Doesn't change its truth though.

NVIDIA's Reviewer's Guide clearly states 48 MB, I just double checked for you

No way to hoover this info out of the driver?

 

[R0H1T]

No way to hoover this info out of the driver?

JHH better be careful here, they lost the last case(class action?) because of wrong info on L2 cache IIRC. But of course Nvidia is a lot more powerful now, so who knows!

 

[ZeroFM]

4070S●VENTUS 2X 695€●ASUS DUAL 759€
4070ti●VENTUS 2X 860€●ASUS TUF 982€
7800XT●PowerColor Fighter 581€●ASROCK STEEL LEGEND 584€
7900XT●ASROCK PHANTOM GAMING 806€●SAPPHIRE PULSE 833€
LITHUANIA prices, team red look a lot better

 

[W1zzard]

Typo on page #4, "Is is built using a 5 nanometer process..." should be "It is built using a 5 nanometer process...". (Where's that damn TPU proofreader when you need 'em, huh?)

fixed in 18 (!) reviews

NVIDIA's Reviewer's Guide clearly states 48 MB, I just double checked for you

I just emailed NVIDIA and they confirm 48 MB

@Assimilator, @happy medium, @alexcheveau

 

[Gameslove]

"16 GB VRAM rarely makes a difference"
So, what about over a 4K resolution?

Overall RTX 4070 Ti Super the best choice vs RTX 4070 Super.

 

[Macro Device]

So, what about over a 4K resolution?

You mean, 5K, 8K and beyond? This GPU can't play AAA games at resolutions this high if you don't go from Ultra to Medium or something.

 

[Pepamami]

Nah people just expected too much from a refresh.

People got what they asked for here, higher bus and more vRAM but sadly don't really make a difference. Maybe in some years

nuuh people asked 256 bus for 4070S price.

 

[chrcoluk]

@W1zzard are you able to find out if the 4070 ti super cards have the same encoding spec as the 4080 cards? Its not on your table for encoding performance.

 

[Dr. Dro]

this has to be the most embarrassing refresh ever

It's a "4080 Lite" instead of a "4070 Ti SUPER", it was marketed wrong IMO. If they called this RTX 4080 SE i'd be better with that, particularly considering I have a 4080 - which is quite a bit faster than the 4070 Ti used to be. So no, don't agree there.

@W1zzard are you able to find out if the 4070 ti super cards have the same encoding spec as the 4080 cards? Its not on your table for encoding performance.

They have the AD103 GPU so I'm pretty sure that they are the same. Interested in knowing as well though, if they intentionally disabled one of the NVENCs

Nvidia's official list has been updated and apparently, it does:

Video Encode and Decode GPU Support Matrix

Find the related video encoding and decoding support for all NVIDIA GPU products.

developer.nvidia.com

 

[Pepamami]

12GB is just fine, no differences.

if u like to change gpus every 2 years, then yes it just fine, but people expecting some lifetime from 800$++ level product.

 

[rv8000]

It's a "4080 Lite" instead of a "4070 Ti SUPER", it was marketed wrong IMO. If they called this RTX 4080 SE i'd be better with that, particularly considering I have a 4080 - which is quite a bit faster than the 4070 Ti used to be. So no, don't agree there.

This is the exact behavior that got them into this predicament in the first place, gonna have to pass on that idea. Naming it a 4080 SE or “Lite” changes nothing about the needless product segmentation aside from maximizing profits based on yields and how yield rate progresses (which tbh is understandable because a company cares nothing about their end user, just the $$$).

 

[Dr. Dro]

This is the exact behavior that got them into this predicament in the first place, gonna have to pass on that idea. Naming it a 4080 SE or “Lite” changes nothing about the needless product segmentation aside from maximizing profits based on yields and how yield rate progresses (which tbh is understandable because a company cares nothing about their end user, just the $$$).

And doesn't "Ti SUPER" (added to AIB fluff, this card would be the funniest thing ever: ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER The Ultimate Force Gaming Overclocked Edition - the meme is real) have the exact same effect? I feel it's closer to the 4080 in nature than it is to the 4070 Ti, that is all.

if u like to change gpus every 2 years, then yes it just fine, but people expecting some lifetime from 800$++ level product.

I feel like this is a criticism to be leveled at AMD rather than Nvidia. After all, Maxwell still gets drivers, R9 300 series and Fury haven't for years and even Vega (including 2019's Radeon VII - not even 5 years old to the clock yet) have been discontinued for a few months now.

 

[rv8000]

And doesn't "Ti SUPER" (added to AIB fluff, this card would be the funniest thing ever: ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER The Ultimate Force Gaming Overclocked Edition - the meme is real) have the exact same effect? I feel it's closer to the 4080 in nature than it is to the 4070 Ti, that is all.

Every manf. being in the idiotic naming scheme market aside, the 4070ti super is closer in performance to the 4070ti than it is the 4080; performance and cost trump all so if you really want to make a point over (ridiculous) naming, 4070ti super is more appropriate for 99% of people buying the card and knowing very little to nothing about the tech/hardware behind it.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Every manf. being in the idiotic naming scheme market aside, the 4070ti super is closer in performance the 4070ti than it is the 4080; performance and cost trump all so if you really want to make a point over (ridiculous) naming, 4070ti super is more appropriate for 99% buying the card and knowing very little to nothing about the tech/hardware behind it.

4080's ROP count, cache, memory subsystem (including memory clocks) and dual hardware video encoder, with a shader count closer to that of the 4070 Ti, the 4070 Ti Super is probably the one SKU for all refreshes that got the most upgrades out of them all. The 4070S doesn't have dual NVENC (according to matrix above) and the 4080 Super is basically the 4080 with the extra 4 SMs that it was previously missing, which means ~5% improvement over 4080 tops provided the game scales.

Also $800, at that point it's $400 cheaper than the 4080's MSRP and $200 cheaper than the 4080 Super's MSRP, I think it's headed in the right direction with a decent step, too.

 

[wheresmycar]

4070 TI SUPER..... aka 4080-lite

I just emailed NVIDIA and they confirm 48 MB

A possible bottleneck of some sort?

From an overall spec upgrade I was under the impression this card would deliver some wider performance uplift over the 4070 TI. Seeing the review benchmarks my first impression being "nV threw in a bottleneck somewhere in the mix" and lo-and-behold 64MB-AD103 trimmed to 48MB. It's understandable though, allowing the 70-class TI SUPER to scale any higher translates to encroaching on 80-class performance territory and no doubt nV needs to retain a good chunk of performance disparity between two poles to justify the rotten price distinction.

It would be interesting to see how much of a difference 48 vs 64MB makes when paired with 16GB VRAM/256-bit.

Although as suspected its still a great card and something I might have invested in but at $800 - PASS!!

 

[MarsM4N]

MSRP doesn't include the sales tax in the US. So even over there, these will be ~$900 (cheaper in some states). In the EU, it's basically 1000€.

MSRP in EU will be 889€. The cheapest 7900XT you can already get for 759€.

Nvidia is going to have a hard time selling a card that is ~1-3% slower than the 7900XT while 130€ more expensive. It's almost like they don't wanna sell to end customers. I really expected more, 7-10% faster than the 4070Ti is really low snack. I got a feeling Nvidia is going to disappoint us with the 4080 Super as well.

Who's going to buy a 4070Ti Super for that price? Anyone? Hello?!?

 

[R0H1T]

Who's going to buy a 4070Ti Super for that price? Anyone? Hello?!?

You like jackets, ovens? Lots of spatulas