ASUS is Getting Ready to Launch its First Internal SSD

[X71200]

Optane was obviously a dead end for the end consumer when prices increased. They shut down the factory and it's only being done for enterprise. The 3D X-Point was very snappy at 4k, but ultimately the price and low per GB knocked it down.

I get your point, though. It's slowly moving in terms of 4k speeds. Consumer SSDs, that are.

 

[TheLostSwede]

feel like every brand is coming up with their own ssd line

The new Ultra Soft SSD...

 

[micropage7]

they gonna sell it with gaming tag and add rgb effect

 

[Bomby569]

they gonna sell it with gaming tag and add rgb effect

you can probably get the off brand version from whoever made them, but those don't come with the same bragging rights

 

[Sithaer]

Eh, another gaming branded product that doesn't really make much sense performance and most likely price wise.

I mean there is already not a big difference between a 2.5" SSD and a decent NVMe SSD when it comes to game loading times.
I only have a Kingston A2000 NVMe 'updated firmware' 1TB as my main game drive and I can't see how 1 maybe 2 seconds lower loading times would make me spend more on a SSD when its already damn fast.

Some of my rarely played/not that important games are still on my 7200 rpm HDDs and tbh it doesn't even bother me that much.

Strictly talking about games here cause RoG is focused on that or what.

Also since some ppl mentioned the possible RGB functions being a problem cause of heat, yeah I guess it was a problem with the early RGB SSDs and if you do heavy productivity/synthetic stuff on it but for gaming purposes nope.
I have an Adata Spectrix RGB NVMe as a system drive but I tried games on it and the temps are fine/no throttling even tho its sandwiched between my GPU and CPU cooler.

 

[trsttte]

Do we need yet another manufacturer rebadging whatever nand with whatever controller as their own solution? If they at least commit to no bait and switch like most other similar products are always doing, otherwise it's just another one that brings nothing to an already jam-packed market

I'll continue to always prefer OEM solutions (Samsung, Crucial, WD, Kioxia, SkHynix) that do their own stuff, even if they sometimes also bait and switch, they're a lot more consistent.

 

[Ruru]

Which in turn increases thermals, yes LEDs get Hot, I know this from Crucial Ballistix Tracers.

It's not a true ROG product without some bling.

 

[srsbsns]

Since we are doing this here is the Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus (1gen). The second gen with better NAND is even faster than this one.

5900X on a Strix Gaming E X570.

 

[aQi]

Reminds me of asus raidr express

 

[mechtech]

Not so fast....

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windows 11 benchmark......................

 

[eidairaman1]

We need more reasonable SSDs, we have this stupid situation where buying 2 1tb SSDs is cheaper than one 2tb ssd.
Technology wise we are still stuck, why don't we see more optane like SSDs.

Optane is dead

 

[Chrispy_]

We need more reasonable SSDs, we have this stupid situation where buying 2 1tb SSDs is cheaper than one 2tb ssd.
Technology wise we are still stuck, why don't we see more optane like SSDs.

Because the sweet spot for NAND manufacturing right now is 4-channel 8Tbit modules - that's where the economies of scale have kicked in for the leading NAND manufacturers, and the cheapest controllers are DRAMless 4-channel designs. Every other NAND product is priced to compete against the MVP - which is a DRAMless controller and 1 NAND package, resulting in the popular 1TB SSD.

If you want lower capacity, you still have similar manufacturing, component, packaging, distribution costs, so 500GB isn't much cheaper to make.
If you want higher capacity, you need to buy 16Tbit modules which are high-end, lower volume parts that have inferior yield, and don't get the economy of scale benefits that the 8Tbit packages get. Alternatively you can go down the multi-package option and use more 8Tbit modules but then you require a more expensive controller and PCB.

The TL;DR is that the sweet spot for the phone/tablet/laptop/desktop NAND markets is a 1TB module; It costs extra to use other density modules, and costs extra to add multiple modules.

 

[mechtech]

Because the sweet spot for NAND manufacturing right now is 4-channel 8Tbit modules - that's where the economies of scale have kicked in for the leading NAND manufacturers, and the cheapest controllers are DRAMless 4-channel designs. Every other NAND product is priced to compete against the MVP - which is a DRAMless controller and 1 NAND package, resulting in the popular 1TB SSD.

If you want lower capacity, you still have similar manufacturing, component, packaging, distribution costs, so 500GB isn't much cheaper to make.
If you want higher capacity, you need to buy 16Tbit modules which are high-end, lower volume parts that have inferior yield, and don't get the economy of scale benefits that the 8Tbit packages get. Alternatively you can go down the multi-package option and use more 8Tbit modules but then you require a more expensive controller and PCB.

The TL;DR is that the sweet spot for the phone/tablet/laptop/desktop NAND markets is a 1TB module; It costs extra to use other density modules, and costs extra to add multiple modules.

1TB…..not if you have an iPhone. That cost an extra $1000

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
ROG tax, it's already really bad on boards so why not a m.2 push.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Because the sweet spot for NAND manufacturing right now is 4-channel 8Tbit modules - that's where the economies of scale have kicked in for the leading NAND manufacturers, and the cheapest controllers are DRAMless 4-channel designs. Every other NAND product is priced to compete against the MVP - which is a DRAMless controller and 1 NAND package, resulting in the popular 1TB SSD.

If you want lower capacity, you still have similar manufacturing, component, packaging, distribution costs, so 500GB isn't much cheaper to make.
If you want higher capacity, you need to buy 16Tbit modules which are high-end, lower volume parts that have inferior yield, and don't get the economy of scale benefits that the 8Tbit packages get. Alternatively you can go down the multi-package option and use more 8Tbit modules but then you require a more expensive controller and PCB.

The TL;DR is that the sweet spot for the phone/tablet/laptop/desktop NAND markets is a 1TB module; It costs extra to use other density modules, and costs extra to add multiple modules.

Thank you for your detailed post.

Optane is dead

I blame Intel, they couldn't/didn't want to make cheaper, given how they price their products it wasn't a surprise.

 

[chrcoluk]

Are people really chasing m.2s that slightly out perform another? sn850 980 pro are same performance class. the difference not relevant.

I do think ssd market getting saturated though and hope drives sold today still work properly in five years.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Are people really chasing m.2s that slightly out perform another? sn850 980 pro are same performance class. the difference not relevant.

I do think ssd market getting saturated though and hope drives sold today still work properly in five years.

Actually, the 980 Pro is the worst premium tier PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive in the market when it comes to performance.
Samsung messed up somehow and produced a fairly mediocre product.

 

[trsttte]

Actually, the 980 Pro is the worst premium tier PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive in the market when it comes to performance.
Samsung messed up somehow and produced a fairly mediocre product.

I don't know what you mean, looking at one of the last reviews here (Kioxia Exceria Pro) it still either tops most charts or is on par with the rest of the pack. It has slightly less IOPS and a bit less seq. R/W speed but it's still able to be at the top of the chart on mixed R/W and whole drive fill.

 

[Chrispy_]

Hi,
ROG tax, it's already really bad on boards so why not a m.2 push.

The ROG tax is permeating to other flavours of ASUS. Just recently noticed how cheap and basoc a bunch of TUF boards were. Went to have a look at some older TUF boards and the Intel variants and yep - they're all overpriced lacking features and quality compared to MSI/Gigabyte at that price, and MSI/Gigabyte's offerings that are closest in spec to the TUF are a good 30% cheaper.

The TUF boards aren't bad at all, but they're priced well above their place in the model range which is basically just above Prime with a different paintjob and maybe slightly better VRM heatsinks. If you assess a board on IO, heatsinks, VRM design, and features, TUF really is at the low and and they're good low-end boards ruined by upper-midrange price tags.

 

[chrcoluk]

I don't know what you mean, looking at one of the last reviews here (Kioxia Exceria Pro) it still either tops most charts or is on par with the rest of the pack. It has slightly less IOPS and a bit less seq. R/W speed but it's still able to be at the top of the chart on mixed R/W and whole drive fill.

Pretty much yeah, and similar on TPU's own review so not sure where swede was coming from. Its worst metric now is that there is competing drives either the same or slightly better for lower cost.

 

[ThrashZone]

The ROG tax is permeating to other flavours of ASUS. Just recently noticed how cheap and basoc a bunch of TUF boards were. Went to have a look at some older TUF boards and the Intel variants and yep - they're all overpriced lacking features and quality compared to MSI/Gigabyte at that price, and MSI/Gigabyte's offerings that are closest in spec to the TUF are a good 30% cheaper.

The TUF boards aren't bad at all, but they're priced well above their place in the model range which is basically just above Prime with a different paintjob and maybe slightly better VRM heatsinks. If you assess a board on IO, heatsinks, VRM design, and features, TUF really is at the low and and they're good low-end boards ruined by upper-midrange price tags.

Hi,
Tuf boards or at least x99 sabertooth had a 5 year warranty, not looked at the tuf to see if that continued but might make the cost understandable a tad
Prime and prime deluxe are just cheap bloated boards no doubt I killed several micro center wasn't to happy but that is what instore warranty is for plus avoiding asus rma

I've probably bought my last asus board might give asrock a try if I ever build another rig.