ASUS ProART RTX 4070 Ti OC Thermal Pad Thickness?

[Dr. Dro]

Hotspot temp in itself is meaningless.

It's the delta between the core temp and hotspot that matters. If your core is 90c and your hotspot is 100c, then everything is just getting very toasty, but making proper contact.

However, if your core is 70c, and your hotspot is 100c, then you deffo know that it's either a bad mount, or bad TIM application.

I agree. Usually up to a 15 to maybe 20°C delta depending on the heatsink type is acceptable IMO. The thing to keep in mind about core hotspot and memory junction temperature readings is that it's the absolute worst temperature measured in either the entire die or the entire memory array, so it's a worst case scenario.

 

[Hawk388]

I agree with @Assimilator, you should listen to him. Even the very first RTX 4070 Ti to roll out of the production line is new enough that its thermal pads and paste haven't yet even possibly begun to degrade. You're very likely going to make things worse, just make sure your case has good airflow and/or bump the fan speed curve a little. Sometimes just disabling zero RPM might improve the thermals enough you don't need to change any other setting for the lifetime of the hardware.

Two posts above this post of yours is my Asus RTX 4070 TI Tuf Gaming OC. There was obvious pumpout and one area of the die that wasn't even covered. I was having temp deltas of 21°C with hotspot hitting 95C. On a GPU less than one year old.

There are many, many posts across the internet from people with Asus 4070 TI cards experiencing 20+ degree deltas.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Two posts above this post of yours is my Asus RTX 4070 TI Tuf Gaming OC. There was obvious pumpout and one area of the die that wasn't even covered. I was having temp deltas of 21°C with hotspot hitting 95C. On a GPU less than one year old.

There are many, many posts across the internet from people with Asus 4070 TI cards experiencing 20+ degree deltas.

That sucks man. Had my TUF 3090 for 3 years before it ever started showing triple digit Hotspot and at that point I was was more than happy to part with it. Probably an ASUS QA fail somewhere, but I guess it happens

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

Two posts above this post of yours is my Asus RTX 4070 TI Tuf Gaming OC. There was obvious pumpout and one area of the die that wasn't even covered. I was having temp deltas of 21°C with hotspot hitting 95C. On a GPU less than one year old.

There are many, many posts across the internet from people with Asus 4070 TI cards experiencing 20+ degree deltas.

I have a TUF 4070 Ti and I'm seeing delta's between 13-18C 72C core 90C hotspot but that was only in a benchmark really pushing my GPU I was thinking about taking the card apart and repasting myself and not going through ASUS's shitty warranty but I am afraid I would tear a thermal pad or something besides my card has a stripped screw thread on one of the screw holes that holds the fan assembly to the backplate this was not my doing as it was done at the factory and I have no idea how to remove it also my card is only 6 months old.

 

[Dragam1337]

I have a TUF 4070 Ti and I'm seeing delta's between 13-18C 72C core 90C hotspot but that was only in a benchmark really pushing my GPU I was thinking about taking the card apart and repasting myself and not going through ASUS's shitty warranty but I am afraid I would tear a thermal pad or something besides my card has a stripped screw thread on one of the screw holes that holds the fan assembly to the backplate this was not my doing as it was done at the factory and I have no idea how to remove it also my card is only 6 months old.

You're gonna need to use a dremel to get that stripped screw out, which will deffo void any warranty - so unless you want to stick with the card for many years, i'd leave it as is (unless you start seeing a delta of 20+ c), then sell it on when the 5070 comes. Asus rma are just gonna be arseholes about it, so might aswell not bother with contacting them.

 

[Chomiq]

I have a TUF 4070 Ti and I'm seeing delta's between 13-18C 72C core 90C hotspot but that was only in a benchmark really pushing my GPU I was thinking about taking the card apart and repasting myself and not going through ASUS's shitty warranty but I am afraid I would tear a thermal pad or something besides my card has a stripped screw thread on one of the screw holes that holds the fan assembly to the backplate this was not my doing as it was done at the factory and I have no idea how to remove it also my card is only 6 months old.

It's called hot spot for a reason. Leave it be, alternatively undervolt. Also, if warranty from Asus is shitty why do you care about it?

 

[Dragam1337]

It's called hot spot for a reason. Leave it be, alternatively undervolt. Also, if warranty from Asus is shitty why do you care about it?

Yes, it's called a hotspot for a reason, but it's still supposed to be as cold as possible, with as small a delta between the core and hotspot as possible... and a delta of 18c is pretty bad, and could deffo be improved alot with a repaste. Question is if it's worth doing it, as i explained in my post above yours.

 

[Vayra86]

Yes, it's called a hotspot for a reason, but it's still supposed to be as cold as possible, with as small a delta between the core and hotspot as possible... and a delta of 18c is pretty bad, and could deffo be improved alot with a repaste. Question is if it's worth doing it, as i explained in my post above yours.

A high delta between core and hotspot means that heat is moving out of the GPU. Of course, to certain limits, but that's really what you're looking at. At higher temps the delta increasing isn't really surprising either.

Hotspot temp is mostly voltage related - there hasn't been a chance to cool it yet.

 

[Dragam1337]

A high delta between core and hotspot means that heat is moving out of the GPU. Of course, to certain limits, but that's really what you're looking at.

Hotspot temp is mostly voltage related - there hasn't been a chance to cool it yet.

Jeez, talk about missinformation...

 

[Vayra86]

Jeez, talk about missinformation...

Nah its true. People never worried about this shit before they had multiple sensors on the die, but rest assured they've been playing with >20C deltas all the time. For decades. The cards didn't break either.

Sure, within reasonable limits, but 15-20C range is very narrow. I'd bump that up to 25C, so you can worry less and prevent voiding warranty or just damaging your GPU in the process of repasting. Because every time you remove that shroud, you are creating wear on the hardware, no matter what. Lots of people have worse or the same issues after a repaste. So they do it again... We know the horror stories on TPU: overtightening, too little paste, too much, uneven mount pressure etc.

ALSO, you're saying 90C core and 100C hotspot is a GPU 'in a better place, just toasty', but its really not. It means the GPU is probably throttling on core temp alone. I'll take the 70C core / 100C hotspot version, thanks.

 

[Dragam1337]

Nah its true. People never worried about this shit before they had multiple sensors on the die, but rest assured they've been playing with >20C deltas all the time. For decades. The cards didn't break either.

No, it is not true.

A good paste job will get you 10c delta or less, and people who have a 20+ delta always gets it substantially reduced by repasting.

Show me one credible source saying that a hotspot of 20+ c on nvidia gpus is fine... just one. Spoiler alert : you can't.

Edit for your edit : cute that you are trying to pull a strawman on me - i at no point said that a core temp of 90c is good.

Fact of the matter is that hotspot delta is indicative of how well the cooler has been mounted and pasted, and a gpu with alot lower hotspot delta will also have lower core temp.

Very suiting avatar for you btw.

 

[Vayra86]

No, it is not true.

A good paste job will get you 10c delta or less, and people who have a 20+ delta always gets it substantially reduced by repasting.

Show me one credible source saying that a hotspot of 20+ c on nvidia gpus is fine... just one. Spoiler alert : you can't.

Edit for your edit : cute that you are trying to pull a strawman on me - i at no point said that a core temp of 90c is good.

Fact of the matter is that hotspot delta is indicative of how well the cooler has been mounted and pasted, and a gpu with alot lower hotspot delta will also have lower core temp.

Very suiting avatar for you btw.

Pull a strawman, suiting avatar... I think you need to take a chill pill.

The mistake in your approach is thinking there is a problem when the hotspot delta is high. There isn't. Its not reported as a problem and factually ISN'T a problem, that said, within reason. 25C is where I would personally put the limit of reason. When you know the average is 18C, and you think repaste is warranted at 20C, you're being OCD about it, simple as that, and you're likely doing more damage than you're fixing. People's GPUs are not breaking down because of it. This is of the exact same nature as people saying they can't handle seeing a chip at 80C+ and thinking it might break. Just because you get a high number exposed to you through a sensor, doesn't mean your GPU suddenly cools or works differently. You're also NOT getting lower core temps 'because you fixed the hotspot delta'. You get lower core temp because you applied a better method of thermal transfer/contact. You didn't fix anything: same heat is going through and it won't very likely lead to a substantial gap in OC headroom.

More information leads to more worries is what this hotspot BS really is. Sure, if cards are way past warranty, repaste it. But under warranty? Silly.

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

It's called hot spot for a reason. Leave it be, alternatively undervolt. Also, if warranty from Asus is shitty why do you care about it?

I did undervolt the card at 1.00Mv at 2835Mhz it does run 6-7C cooler but the hotspot is still over 10C delta.

 

[Dragam1337]

Pull a strawman, suiting avatar... I think you need to take a chill pill.

The mistake in your approach is thinking there is a problem when the hotspot delta is high. There isn't. Its not reported as a problem and factually ISN'T a problem, that said, within reason. 25C is where I would personally put the limit of reason. When you know the average is 18C, and you think repaste is warranted at 20C, you're being OCD about it, simple as that, and you're likely doing more damage than you're fixing. People's GPUs are not breaking down because of it. This is of the exact same nature as people saying they can't handle seeing a chip at 80C+ and thinking it might break. Just because you get a high number exposed to you through a sensor, doesn't mean your GPU suddenly cools or works differently.

More information leads to more worries is what this hotspot BS really is. Sure, if cards are way past warranty, repaste it. But under warranty? Silly.

Pulling a strawman is exactly what you did, so rail it in, friend.

I sure as fack hope you don't do IT support for a living, dude. A high hotspot delta is a tell tale sign of poor cooler contact / pastejob.

Amd's lackluster gpu design means way higher delta, but on nvidia the delta shouldn't be more than 15c max, and preferably only 10c. And if you look at all the nvidia gpu reviews on TPU they tend to lean towards 10c.

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

You're gonna need to use a dremel to get that stripped screw out, which will deffo void any warranty - so unless you want to stick with the card for many years, i'd leave it as is (unless you start seeing a delta of 20+ c), then sell it on when the 5070 comes. Asus rma are just gonna be arseholes about it, so might aswell not bother with contacting them.

After tinkering with my card a bit I did figure out how to get that screw out I just have to lift the backplate up and the screw should pop out but I am still debatinng if I should repaste I mean I don't see any throttling happening but summer is coming up so it might be worth it just to repaste if I do see hotspot creep past 20+C

 

[Vayra86]

Pulling a strawman is exactly what you did, so rail it in, friend.

I sure as fack hope you don't do IT support for a living, dude. A high hotspot delta is a tell tale sign of poor cooler contact / pastejob.

Amd's lackluster gpu design means way higher delta, but on nvidia the delta shouldn't be more than 15c max, and preferably only 10c. And if you look at all the nvidia gpu reviews on TPU they tend to lean towards 10c.

AMD's design.. Nvidia design... you do realize the subject here is AIB's right?

Again, time to take that chill pill. You keep getting personal.

After tinkering with my card a bit I did figure out how to get that screw out I just have to lift the backplate up and the screw should pop out but I am still debatinng if I should repaste I mean I don't see any throttling happening but summer is coming up so it might be worth it just to repaste if I do see hotspot creep past 20+C

If the card ain't throttling, don't even touch it. You already have damage on the shroud from all this nonsense.

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

If the card ain't throttling, don't even touch it. You already have damage on the shroud from all this nonsense.

That damage wasn't caused by me like I've said it was caused at the factory by ASUS..

 

[Vayra86]

That damage wasn't caused by me like I've said it was caused at the factory by ASUS..

Apologies. Didnt read that. Id just RMA the card then tbh

 

[Dragam1337]

AMD's design.. Nvidia design... you do realize the subject here is AIB's right?

Again, time to take that chill pill. You keep getting personal.


If the card ain't throttling, don't even touch it. You already have damage on the shroud from all this nonsense.

No, it's not about facking aib design...

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All the nvidia cards have a hotspot delta of 10c or less, and all the amd cards have a hotspot delta of about 20c...

After tinkering with my card a bit I did figure out how to get that screw out I just have to lift the backplate up and the screw should pop out but I am still debatinng if I should repaste I mean I don't see any throttling happening but summer is coming up so it might be worth it just to repaste if I do see hotspot creep past 20+C

Nice that you got the screw bit solved

But yeah, wait until summer and see how it goes - but repasting is pretty easy, even with more advanced gpu's - just gotta pull it apart very gently when dissambling it, so you don't damage the thermal pads.

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

Nice that you got the screw bit solved

But yeah, wait until summer and see how it goes - but repasting is pretty easy, even with more advanced gpu's - just gotta pull it apart very gently when dissambling it, so you don't damage the thermal pads.

Oh I know I repasted a couple cards the last one I did repaste was a EVGA 2080 Ti XC Black Edition.

 

[Dragam1337]

Oh I know I repasted a couple cards the last one I did repaste was a EVGA 2080 Ti XC Black Edition.

In that case, what are you waiting for ?! Just use a thick paste that is less susceptible to the pump-out effect. Something like mx-6,or kingpin kpx.

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

In that case, what are you waiting for ?! Just use a thick paste that is less susceptible to the pump-out effect. Something like mx-6,or kingpin kpx.

I do have MX-6 on hand since it's the only paste I use for CPU's but I'm still gonna wait and see how my hotspot temps get during summer haha but honestly I am rather disappointed by ASUS's quality control a stripped screw thread and and a bad TIM job I guess I am just unlucky.

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

So I decided to repaste my card my GPU core went up substantially 82C junction and 107C hotspot now after repaste I am seeing 68C junction and 79C hotspot, when I took the card apart there was like literally no paste on the die, seriously ASUS what kind of paste job is that?

 

[Dr. Dro]

So I decided to repaste my card my GPU core went up substantially 82C junction and 107C hotspot now after repaste I am seeing 68C junction and 79C hotspot, when I took the card apart there was like literally no paste on the die, seriously ASUS what kind of paste job is that?View attachment 351614View attachment 351615

That is some nasty pumpout. Only the oily thing in the middle, rest of the material all outside already. No good. I don't think it's all that common, but it is a QA failure.

Some really low quality TIM was used on this card, it seems. Either a bad batch, or ASUS cheaped out on it considered it's a ProArt and these are supposed to go into the artsy creative types' PC's. Glad you could fix it, though.

 

[StarlightGalaxi]

That is some nasty pumpout. Only the oily thing in the middle, rest of the material all outside already. No good. I don't think it's all that common, but it is a QA failure.

Some really low quality TIM was used on this card, it seems. Either a bad batch, or ASUS cheaped out on it considered it's a ProArt and these are supposed to go into the artsy creative types' PC's. Glad you could fix it, though.

Oh, I'm not the OP of this thread this was the TUF version of the 4070 Ti for me.