ASUS Radeon RX 470 STRIX OC 4 GB

[ShurikN]

The Red Devil one at $180 is more or less on spot. Everything above that mark is not justified, as you can get Nitro+ for 200.

 

[W1zzard]

The Red Devil one at $180 is more or less on spot. Everything above that mark is not justified, as you can get Nitro+ for 200.

 

[P4-630]

MSI RX470 Gaming X in my country:

 

[Jism]

It's because demand is high and quantity is low. That's why those prices are higher then usual. Every webshop and distributor wants to earn money on those cards.

I've payed approx 300 for an 8GB 480X from XFX but to hell with it. I have a card now and it performs fantastic compared to my previous 270x crossfire, with half the power requirement and suitable for 2560x1080 resolutions on max detail.

You cant blame AMD for setting a MSRP or whatever and every party in between to not charge more.

 

[Casecutter]

All pricing on this new gen stuff is out of line. It used to be in such class of card there was a clear differentiation in price between full/gelding parts. I don't know what's at issue here... Is it that GloFo has issues and AMD/RTG is keep a "stiff upper lip" on pricing based more against GTX1060, knowing a 1050 is sometime off? They foresee a improved Polaris out of GloFo in several months (485/475) and hope that they can hold these prices till those are substituted?

I think, as there's no actual reference cards from AMD, they made it lucrative for AIB by setting the $179 price. AIB's knowing limited Polaris supply for the time being, and then they've a improved process chip on the market 3-4 month from now figure milk it now, then hold on pricing with the re-spins when the competition really is hot and heavy.

 

[Air]

30 dBA load on reference cooler? If thats accurate, thats an amazing cooler and much better than Nvidias FE coolers, that are supposed to be "premium". First time Im skeptical on a measurement of noise on TPU.

 

[W1zzard]

30 dBA load on reference cooler? If thats accurate, thats an amazing cooler and much better than Nvidias FE coolers, that are supposed to be "premium". First time Im skeptical on a measurement of noise on TPU.

It's not the cooler, it's the low heat output. The GTX 1060 FE cooler runs lower temps, that's why it's more noisy.

 

[Jeffredo]

Looks like Vulcan + RX 480 can overwhelm slower CPUs. You have a big OC, so maybe you are good.

http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-in-6-year-old-amd-and-intel-computers/

Looks like the Nvidia advantage in driver overhead is still intact. Got an old/weak CPU? Go Nvidia.

 

[ShurikN]

I could have sworn I saw it go for less about 3 hours ago on Newegg. Maybe it was 190, but def not 200.
No point in getting this card then... Its the same price as 4GB Nitro+ 480

Whats confusing is, that they released two cards with price and performance so close to each other, yet the gap between these cards and RX460 is going to be huge. What will they fill it with?

 

[Durvelle27]

If it drops to $150

It would be a hell of a deal for 2x in Crossfire OC'd

 

[Dimi]

If it drops to $150

It would be a hell of a deal for 2x in Crossfire OC'd

I advise you NOT to do crossfire. Its bad news. While some games scale nicely, a lot of them don't.

I just started playing RB6 Siege and that does not work in CF nor SLI and that makes having 2 slow gpu's a nightmare. I'm getting myself a 1070 in september to replace my GTX 760's. I'm never doing SLI again.

 

[Durvelle27]

I advise you NOT to do crossfire. Its bad news. While some games scale nicely, a lot of them don't.

I just started playing RB6 Siege and that does not work in CF nor SLI and that makes having 2 slow gpu's a nightmare. I'm getting myself a 1070 in september to replace my GTX 760's. I'm never doing SLI again.

Mehh I'm content with crossfire

 

[nem..]

470 tha 1060 KiLLeR

 

[gasolina]

due to the graph i see that 470 is 91% and 480 is 119% meaning that (119-91)/91 = 29%~ 470 ref is 29% slower than 480....meaning it's around 280x/380x level ...

 

[Dimi]

Thats all great, those benchmarks, BUT, put those AMD cards in a budget system with a budget cpu and the results will be DRAMATICALLY different. Especially in DX12 & Vulcan.

Remember that nearly 50% of ALL steam users are still on Dual Core cpu's.

Btw, they are benchmarking like 6 games with 50-60$ pricetags and people whine at a price difference of 10$ between the 1060 and 480 LOL

What a joke.

 

[dyonoctis]

I could have sworn I saw it go for less about 3 hours ago on Newegg. Maybe it was 190, but def not 200.
No point in getting this card then... Its the same price as 4GB Nitro+ 480

Whats confusing is, that they released two cards with price and performance so close to each other, yet the gap between these cards and RX460 is going to be huge. What will they fill it with?

AMD always had the habit for the "cut-down gpu but not too much" thing. Each gpu always had his cheaper Twin (7850/7870;7950/7970). But it's the first time that ppl are so unhappy about the price. Amd built Soooo much anticipation about making gpus fo the "comomn peasant" : 199€ vr GPU, sub 200€ 1080p Gpu.

Ppl fisrt overestimated 480 performance and began to dream about a 980 killer. It turned out to be a mere 970 killer with a power consumption from another era. The pricing in the U.S was "okay" even so the 4Gb who had the so desired princing was hard to find. Then AMD had the stupid idea of making it "ref board first, AIB later" even tho they never even tried to do a premium GTX xx70/xx80 cooler that would have actually interested some people. Then the horrific E.U pricing. Usually we got the 1$=1€ treatment, this time E.U gpu were noticably pricier. We ended in a situation were some reference 480 were pricier than some astonishing great AIB 1060. A 200 € Gpu ended up getting beyond 300€.

Then the release of the 470. The gpu was supposed to be at least 50€ less expensive. Reality: the price are awfully close, even between AIB. In Europe the 470 is being sold at the prices that were meant for the 480.
For a reminder , the price difference between a 7850 and a 7870 at lauch was of 90€, for a 7950 and a 7970 it was 70 €. The 7000 serie wasn't cheap , but they did not overlap, and amd had the lead performance wise. Today AMD can't afford to play the "perfomance crown king", not even the power conssumption king, and got the pricing of his product all over the place. This must be the worst launch they ever did.

 

[dyonoctis]

Thats all great, those benchmarks, BUT, put those AMD cards in a budget system with a budget cpu and the results will be DRAMATICALLY different. Especially in DX12 & Vulcan.

Remember that nearly 50% of ALL steam users are still on Dual Core cpu's.

Btw, they are benchmarking like 6 games with 50-60$ pricetags and people whine at a price difference of 10$ between the 1060 and 480 LOL

What a joke.

Actually it's more like a 2009 cpu. People with at least a sandy bridge pentium or a core I3 didn't notice any drop as huge as the one people who got a top of the line 2009 quad core cpu would get. Gaming wise a recent core i3 is waaaaaay better than a first gen core i5/core i7. (They are even better in some application where the architecture enhancement take the lead over sheer number of core.)

 

[rruff]

Whats confusing is, that they released two cards with price and performance so close to each other, yet the gap between these cards and RX460 is going to be huge. What will they fill it with?

If TPU's benchmarks are a good guide, the difference between 470 and 480 is greater than the difference between 950 and 960, or 970 and 980.

Nvidia left a huge gap between the 960 and 970. 460-470 will be a huge gap, but the 460 is a gimped Polaris 11, so they should come out with one that is ~15-20% better than the 460 to fill that gap.

Weird thing is the pricing. FPS/$ should improve as you go down in price. If a 480 is $200, then 470 should be <$160.

 

[ShurikN]

Weird thing is the pricing. FPS/$ should improve as you go down in price. If a 480 is $200, then 470 should be <$160.

IMO $170 max for RX470 4GB. I say 4GB because I saw a Nitro one with 8, which is utterly useless. Especially at $240

 

[Nabarun]

Really? $189 would be a better price? The reference 480 sits at $199...



At least try to disguise the bias...

That's not bias. I hate nvidia for their outrageous pricing, but I'd kill you and take your money if I had to, for the green card.

 

[GoldenX]

Question, can a 120w card be cooled with a single slot system? I don't understand why all cards have to be so flashy with 2 or 3 enormous fans, in a sub U$S200 price range.

 

[Jism]

I advise you NOT to do crossfire. Its bad news. While some games scale nicely, a lot of them don't.

I just started playing RB6 Siege and that does not work in CF nor SLI and that makes having 2 slow gpu's a nightmare. I'm getting myself a 1070 in september to replace my GTX 760's. I'm never doing SLI again.

Yeah, one game completely represents crossfire/sli.

Question, can a 120w card be cooled with a single slot system? I don't understand why all cards have to be so flashy with 2 or 3 enormous fans, in a sub U$S200 price range.

Yeah it can but most portion of the heat is coming from that VRM design, as watched on various thermal vids. It's not really the GPU or memory temperature but the 95 degrees VRM's needs robust cooling.

 

[dyonoctis]

Question, can a 120w card be cooled with a single slot system? I don't understand why all cards have to be so flashy with 2 or 3 enormous fans, in a sub U$S200 price range.

They are using single slot cooler for the professional version of those card, but the workload isn't the same, and the clock are lower. According to pro gpu owner when then try to game the gpu reach 90°c quite fast and the fan get very noisy. If even a dual slot blower cooler get noisy and fail to keep the boost clock, while gaming, a single slot blower cooler won't be really better.

I think that the radeon HD 4850 was the last middle range gaming gpu with a single slot cooler. However the temp were 60°c idle and 88-90°c at load. The noise was okay, but nowhere near silent.

 

[ViperXTR]

Looks like the Nvidia advantage in driver overhead is still intact. Got an old/weak CPU? Go Nvidia.

The Lynfields and K10 are a little too old, would be interesting to see sandy bridge/ivy bridge non K/bulldozer CPUs tested on these cards as they are more likely the ones who will get these.

 

[Caring1]

Why I chose the reference Sapphire RX 480 4gb:

-I got it for $200 dlls, taxes and shipping included
-I don't have plans for changing gpu in 4 years and this card seems to handle DX 12 and Vulkan titles really good (so far)
-I have a i5 750 OC'ed to 4.1 ghz and it may become a bottleneck with more powerful gpus
-Anything beyond 60fps on 1080p is a waste for me since I have a 60hz 1080p monitor

So for me the 480 was a clear winner

Obviously power bills don't worry you.