ASUS Radeon RX 6500 XT TUF Gaming

[Ravenas]

Sure, but

b550-5600x-6500xt is asinine, since b560-10100f-6600 is both cheaper and better

Haven't really looked much into 11th gen chips beyond 12900k, but I like this combo too:

Intel Core i5-11400 - Core i5 11th Gen Rocket Lake 6-Core 2.6 GHz LGA 1200 65W Intel UHD Graphics 730 Desktop Processor - BX8070811400 - Newegg.com
MSI B560M PRO-E LGA 1200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Drops the build price down to $963.79

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

No. You will have crap performance, because the 6500 XT cries home to mama when it's limited to PCI-e gen 3.

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Yes but no because in his example you would have pciex 4 on b560 with your 12100 not 10100 but you made your mind up that's clear.

 

[AusWolf]

Sure, but


Haven't really looked much into 11th gen chips beyond 12900k, but I like this combo too:

Intel Core i5-11400 - Core i5 11th Gen Rocket Lake 6-Core 2.6 GHz LGA 1200 65W Intel UHD Graphics 730 Desktop Processor - BX8070811400 - Newegg.com
MSI B560M PRO-E LGA 1200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Drops the build price down to $963.79

The 11400 is a good CPU for the price, but again, it's nearly $200. A core i3 and a better graphics card (like an RX 6600) is a lot better bang for the buck.

Yes but no because in his example you would have pciex 4 on b560 with your 12100 not 10100 but you made your mind up that's clear.

B560 is 10/11th gen. You need a Core i5-11400 with it at least to have PCI-e 4.0. The 12100 is fine, but you need B660 with it, which is considerably more expensive than B560 if you're looking at a good quality board.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The 11400 is a good CPU for the price, but again, it's nearly $200. A core i3 and a better graphics card (like an RX 6600) is a lot better bang for the buck.


B560 is 10/11th gen. You need a Core i5-11400 with it at least to have PCI-e 4.0. The 12100 is fine, but you need B660 with it, which is considerably more expensive than B560 if you're looking at a good quality board.

Slip up by me fair enough ,it is Saturday morning ,I'm not at my sharpest ATM.

I wouldn't go i3 10/11 gen personally but I get your points.

I would always try for better balance and a pc that's not scrap in two to three years on the whole.

I don't think those i3's will age well.

Although I thought those dual cores with HT a quad with HT ain't bad really now I've looked.

As you know the market moves With the time's.

 

[AusWolf]

Slip up by me fair enough ,it is Saturday morning ,I'm not at my sharpest ATM.

Happens. I've been awake for nearly 20 hours after a night shift and a daily Mass Effect run myself.

I wouldn't go i3 10/11 gen personally but I get your points.

I would always try for better balance and a pc that's not scrap in two to three years on the whole.

Me too, though the platform is still upgradeable to an i5 or i7 later (11th gen i9 is a waste of money).

I don't think those i3's will age well.

I agree, though I think the 6500 XT will age even worse due to its many limitations.

 

[trsttte]

Most B550 are entry level mobos. X570 are for enthusiast. I don't really care what components you consider better for entry level, it's beside the point. Getting an entire computer setup for ~$1100 which can play most games at 1080P with average of 60 FPS is an entry level system.

That's super elitist and completely wrong. 1100$ is not entry level at all. Currently, since there are no cheap gpus, it's not that far off but that's not a normal thing nor will it stay that way (hopefully at least).

 

[Ravenas]

That's super elitist and completely wrong. 1100$ is not entry level at all. Currently, since there are no cheap gpus, it's not that far off but that's not a normal thing nor will it stay that way (hopefully at least).

$200 is a cheap GPU in my opinion, nothing elitist about it or wrong. Pricing between Intel and AMD ranges from $960-$1000, for an entry level gaming PC. You could debate about which card is better for entry level, it's just not the point (although I think the $200 price point fits well for this GPU). The package quoted includes 1080P monitor and minimal accessories needed. The fact is, it's the current state of entry level.

You are welcome to go console, in which case you're basically paying for a $500 garden wall APU all in one box, and you will still have the investment in your TV.

 

[AusWolf]

$200 is a cheap GPU in my opinion, nothing elitist about it or wrong. Pricing between Intel and AMD ranges from $960-$1000, for an entry level gaming PC. You could debate about which card is better for entry level, it's just not the point (although I think the $200 price point fits well for this GPU). The package quoted includes 1080P monitor and minimal accessories needed. The fact is, it's the current state of entry level.

You are welcome to go console, in which case you're basically paying for a $500 garden wall APU all in one box, and you will still have the investment in your TV.

What's cheap and what isn't, is up to personal circumstances. Some people can afford two 3090s in SLi without problem.

I agree that different classes have moved up a lot in price, and $200 is practically classed as a cheap GPU nowadays. What I'm still trying keep in mind though, is that GPUs moving price classes due to supply chain issues doesn't change who can afford what. If Random Joe could only buy a $150 graphics card in 2015, he can probably only afford the same price range now. Only that he's getting a lot less for his money in terms of value. It's sad, but if you think of it this way, low-end is practically moving out of the PC world entirely.

Edit: Another thing is that game technologies don't seem to be evolving as quickly as they used to. A modern mid-range graphics card can easily last you 5-6 years, while just a decade ago, you had to buy a new one every 2-3 years, even if you went for the top model. So instead of spending $200 every 2 years, you're spending $600 every 6 years. With this logic, GPUs (per yearly cost) haven't got more expensive at all. It's just that AMD, nvidia (and the scalpers of course) are making a lot more money than they used to.

 

[Ravenas]

Edit: Another thing is that game technologies don't seem to be evolving as quickly as they used to. A modern mid-range graphics card can easily last you 5-6 years, while just a decade ago, you had to buy a new one every 2-3 years, even if you went for the top model. So instead of spending $200 every 2 years, you're spending $600 every 6 years. With this logic, GPUs (per yearly cost) haven't got more expensive at all. It's just that AMD, nvidia (and the scalpers of course) are making a lot more money than they used to.

This is the only generation in at least ~15 years AMD has had entry, mid, high, and enthusiast GPUs. Nvidia has had that for at least the last 3 generations.

 

[trsttte]

$200 is a cheap GPU in my opinion, nothing elitist about it or wrong. Pricing between Intel and AMD ranges from $960-$1000, for an entry level gaming PC. You could debate about which card is better for entry level, it's just not the point (although I think the $200 price point fits well for this GPU). The package quoted includes 1080P monitor and minimal accessories needed. The fact is, it's the current state of entry level.

You are welcome to go console, in which case you're basically paying for a $500 garden wall APU all in one box, and you will still have the investment in your TV.

You don't know how to spec a proper budget system. Again, 1100$/1000$/960$ is not budget, you can have a decent entry level gaming system for much less. I gave the benefit of the doubt before because current prices are crazy on everything, but since you insisted on the ~1000$ here you go.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRpKH2 (6500xt is not yet on pcpartpicker so just imagine the 5500xt is one). 630$ in the current market and with further savings still possible (cheaper psu, cheaper ssd, cheaper case, older board/cpu, etc)

200$ is only a cheap gpu on this crazy stupid market. I'll repeat what I said before, the 5500xt 8gb launched for 200$. In the middle of 2020 before the mining apocalipse you could buy a RX 580 8gb for 160€ new. A 1050ti for less than 150€, many other options for decent prices.

 

[Ravenas]

You don't know how to spec a proper budget system. Again, 1100$/1000$/960$ is not budget, you can have a decent entry level gaming system for much less. I gave the benefit of the doubt before because current prices are crazy on everything, but since you insisted on the ~1000$ here you go.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRpKH2 (6500xt is not yet on pcpartpicker so just imagine the 5500xt is one). 630$ in the current market and with further savings still possible (cheaper psu, cheaper ssd, cheaper case, older board/cpu, etc)

200$ is only a cheap gpu on this crazy stupid market. I'll repeat what I said before, the 5500xt 8gb launched for 200$. In the middle of 2020 before the mining apocalipse you could buy a RX 580 8gb for 160€ new. A 1050ti for less than 150€, many other options for decent prices.

Easy killer. Throwing out accusations and assumptions left and right. Where is your monitor? Where is your keyboard and mouse? A 12100F, those really don't exist where is the stock.

5500 XT and 5700 XT were both midrange cards, AMD did not have an entry level, high end, or enthusiast card at that time.

It was a combination of mining and covid.

 

[arni-gx]

i think asus should released radeon rx 6500 xt with 4gb or 8gb vram 128bit......

 

[AusWolf]

This is the only generation in at least ~15 years AMD has had entry, mid, high, and enthusiast GPUs. Nvidia has had that for at least the last 3 generations.

Well, kind of no. The last entry-level nvidia card released is the GT 1030 which is 2 generations old (3 if you count the 16-series a separate generation). AMD had the RX 550.

 

[Cutechri]

I can't believe this thing was even released. The RX 6000 series looked like such a fantastic generation from AMD finally trading blows with Nvidia at the high end, and then there's this cashgrab.

 

[Mussels]

Why does ASUS think this model is worth double the cheapest competing card?

 

[Assimilator]

I can't believe this thing was even released. The RX 6000 series looked like such a fantastic generation from AMD finally trading blows with Nvidia at the high end, and then there's this cashgrab.

It's not that it's a cash-grab (all cards released over the past 2 years have been), it's that it's such an obviously offensive cash-grab. At least the other cards that have been released can somewhat justify their existence in terms of performance and/or features; this is literally half of an APU that's been deliberately re-engineered into a desktop card purely to take advantage of the lack of supply in the channel. It's consuming manufacturing capacity that could be used for those other, better cards and in the same breath, contributing to said lack of supply. It's AMD taking advantage of the manufacturing capacity shortage to shaft their customers, who are already tired of being shafted. It's the epitome of tone-deaf anti-consumer exploitation, and it makes it very obvious that there are no such thing as "good guys" when it comes to companies and making profits.

Why does ASUS think this model is worth double the cheapest competing card?

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Because ASUS is managed by alcoholic simians who continue to labour under the impression that their brand name somehow makes their products worth double. This is not helped by the legions of morons who continue to buy ASUS products because they believe said management.

 

[Cutechri]

Personally I don't buy ASUS products because of the brand but because they haven't failed me so far, can't say the same about Gigabyte

 

[Assimilator]

Personally I don't buy ASUS products because of the brand but because they haven't failed me so far, can't say the same about Gigabyte

I've had good and bad experiences with Gigabyte, but overall - especially lately - their boards seem to be pretty solid. (PSUs on the other hand, yikes...)

 

[Cutechri]

Their boards is exactly what I'll avoid from now on. Bought B550 Aorus Pro, died after changing one DRAM timing. Replacement died randomly while I was idling, BIOS corrupted. Third replacement DOA. At that point I just gave in and bought a ROG Strix B550-F, best board I've owned so far.