ASUS Radeon RX 6600 XT STRIX OC

[Chrispy_]

Tell me that's sarcasm....

You have to ask?
I can count using the toes on one hand the number of times Nvidia/Intel/AMD marketing slides have represented performance fairly and accurately.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

AMD clearly doesn't care about DIY dGPU market all that much, 6600XT just proofs that. All AMD had to do, to win A LOT of good will from the PC gaming community, was to set MSRP at $279 and sell some FE variants through AMD website. They would have been praised by the tech media instead they opted for higher margins and GamersNexus' review summary: "Midrange is dead"...6600XT's MSRP is "a joke and an insult".

 

[nguyen]

The thought did cross my mind, but I wouldn't want to make comments without any data.

DirectStorage will be optimized for PCIe 3.0 SSDs, so x4 3.0 at maximum, also taking into account lower end SSDs that don't even reach that speed. Data gets unpacked on the GPU, so only compressed data travels across the PCIe bus of the GPU. x4 3.0 == 4 GB/s, there's no way you even have enough assets to need that for more than a few seconds. If you're constantly swapping assets in and out at that rate then your engine is fundamentally flawed and it will stutter like no tomorrow on any hardware.

I'm not convinced that it will be a huge issue

Current MS Directstorage implementation is not between SSD and GPU though, it's between RAM and VRAM

DDR4-3600 bandwidth is ~ 50 000MB read/write, almost saturating PCIe 4.0 16x, so yeah...
And you did point out there is some stuttering with 6600XT in Doom Eternal, a game engine that is hailed as the most optimized out there

 

[Mussels]

I feel so lost without the 1080/1080ti in the performance comparison

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I feel so lost without the 1080/1080ti in the performance comparison

Just got to let go bruh.

 

[Valantar]

I feel so lost without the 1080/1080ti in the performance comparison

I mean, it's just two generations old, so it's not an unreasonable expectation. Just because GPU generations these days last way longer than they used to (and contain a crapton of SKUs) doesn't invalidate the value of that as a reference point.

 

[W1zzard]

Current MS Directstorage implementation is not between SSD and GPU though, it's between RAM and VRAM

But the amount of data stays constant along that path. Decompression happens in the GPU only, not the CPU.

The CPU really doesn't do anything with the data, Google: Direct Storage Bounce Buffer, to find the actual technical bits, so you don't have to rely on PCGamer

 

[Valantar]

But the amount of data stays constant along that path. Decompression happens in the GPU only, not the CPU.

The CPU really doesn't do anything with the data, Google: Direct Storage Bounce Buffer, to find the actual technical bits, so you don't have to rely on PCGamer

I guess they could technically pre-cache some compressed data in RAM, though that sounds contrary to the purpose of DirectStorage in the first place.

 

[bug]

I guess they could technically pre-cache some compressed data in RAM, though that sounds contrary to the purpose of DirectStorage in the first place.

Unrelated, but as usual, till DirectStorage actually becomes relevant, current cards will be obsolete anyway.
PCIe x8 has been benchmarked time and again, it barely affects high end GPUs. This card has many issues, but PCIe lanes is not one of them.

 

[wolf]

I feel so lost without the 1080/1080ti in the performance comparison

Would legitimately help me judge perf tbh.

 

[nguyen]

But the amount of data stays constant along that path. Decompression happens in the GPU only, not the CPU.

The CPU really doesn't do anything with the data, Google: Direct Storage Bounce Buffer, to find the actual technical bits, so you don't have to rely on PCGamer

Yeah I'm not sure about Nvidia own implementation of DirectStorage (RTX I/O API) is relevant to an AMD GPU, but who knows .
MS DirectStorage is not any different to now, just that the decompression is at the GPU and not the CPU, tweaktown source this time
Direct SSD to VRAM is being considered, but not included in the current DirectStorage API

 

[ppn]

AMD clearly doesn't care about DIY dGPU market all that much, 6600XT just proofs that. All AMD had to do, to win A LOT of good will from the PC gaming community, was to set MSRP at $279 and sell some FE variants through AMD website. They would have been praised by the tech media instead they opted for higher margins and GamersNexus' review summary: "Midrange is dead"...6600XT's MSRP is "a joke and an insult".

Well, in every foolproof system at some point the fools will exceed the proofs. But there will be the 6600 non XT at $299, that will deliver results almost as good. At least AMD is doing something right with the cache. 32MB fits perfectly the front and back buffer size for 1440p 32bit color at 28MB total. And It's a small beast, considering that with only 256MB/s it equals RTX 2080 448MB/s and 3060 360 MB/s. Now if they asked $199 for it that would be great, but scalpers won't allow it.

 

[W1zzard]

fits perfectly the front and back buffer size for 1440p 32bit color at 28MB total

The problem is the gazillion rendertargets that modern engines use

 

[Anymal]

Mindfactory has plenty of 6600xt model from 379eur, nice.

 

[W1zzard]

Mindfactory has plenty of 6600xt model from 379eur, nice.

I see nothing listed there? These aren't supposed to go live until 3 pm I think

 

[Valantar]

The MSRP including VAT here in Sweden seems to be ~4100 SEK, and the cheapest models I can see (which are, for now, in decent stock in several stores) start around 4500. That's not terrible, but ... meh. The XFX QICK 308 seems to be the cheapest with wide availability.

 

[Anymal]

I see nothing listed there? These aren't supposed to go live until 3 pm I think

https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/Radeon+RX+Serie/RX+6600+XT.html

 

[Charcharo]

6600XT is just a pointless GPU, no need to defend so hard. So many compromises for a 380usd GPU that it's funny.

1440p 60FPS gaming? Nope, not possible with new AAA games
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1080p 60FPS gaming with RT? Nope
1080p high refresh gaming? Yeah sure like people can tell the difference between 120FPS and 140FPS without looking at the FPS counter, even the 5600XT is getting 100FPS average.

Lower one setting and it is a 1440p 60+ fps gaming GPU.
With that said - I dislike the 6600 XT. But the MSRP is meaningless either way and the Western World killed the 100 USD mid-range GPU (that people "miss" 250 USD mid-range GPUs actually annoys me, they themsleves upped the price several times already).

 

[IceShroom]

AMD clearly doesn't care about DIY dGPU market all that much, 6600XT just proofs that. All AMD had to do, to win A LOT of good will from the PC gaming community, was to set MSRP at $279 and sell some FE variants through AMD website. They would have been praised by the tech media instead they opted for higher margins and GamersNexus' review summary: "Midrange is dead"...6600XT's MSRP is "a joke and an insult".

Well AMD tried that with RX 480/580 and look how much market share they got. Answer is 0. People will not buy the RX 6600 XT even priced it at 200$. People bought 4GB 1650 Super over 8GB 5500XT which was only 20$-30$ more expensive. Tech media praise means nothing when you dont have money to invest in more engineer and to run a profitiable business.

This days most tech media praises if you just give them $$$. Many of the time tech media is responsible for suggesting the bad product. In many places RX 6600 XT is cheaper then the slower RTX 3060, but the tech media still insisting it is worse buy.

Dont worry though if this trend continoues in future when AMD gets out of PC gaming market just pay 500$+ for basic display adapter. And if you thinks other will fill the market then you are only living in fools paradise, pc gamer only wants other Nvidia, so they will not buy other maker gpu, and without sale revenue other gpu maker will also get out of the baised pc gaming market.
And looks like Console and Macbooks are still AMD's profitable market then the pc gaming market.

If 128-bit bus is really problem, then why RX 6600 XT is still faster then the 192-bit RTX 3060 at both 1080p and 1440p????? Shouldn't it be slower.

 

[newtekie1]

At those prices every card is a turd.

Yeah, but this one is a bigger turd.

 

[Chrispy_]

I feel so lost without the 1080/1080ti in the performance comparison

That's easy -

1080 = 2060
1080Ti = 2070 Super

 

[Valantar]

Yeah, but this one is a bigger turd.

How so? It outperforms the 3060 equal to its MSRP increase, with the 3060 Ti providing slightly better value. The differences are tiny.

 

[Operandi]

I have the data, but they are so much slower it really doesn't make sense to include them. I cut off the comparison list at 75% and 125%, or the charts will get insanely long

Dosn't make sense to include them in all the graphs but I think it would be useful to have a page with a few benchmarks with older cards like that for people that keep systems for 4-5+ years (myself included) otherwise it gets super hard to keep track of where your card stands.

 

[mechtech]

I have the data, but they are so much slower it really doesn't make sense to include them. I cut off the comparison list at 75% and 125%, or the charts will get insanely long

Thanks. Yes it makes it longer. However if the 1060 and 1660 are included then it’s good to have these 2 amd cards included for comparison.

thanks again. It makes a big difference for all us 470/480/470/580 owners!!

 

[95Viper]

Stay/Get on topic and cut the crap.
Last word on it...
Take it to PMs.

Thank You and Enjoy the Day