ASUS Reveals Listing of Motherboards, Chipsets Receiving Update for Next-gen Ryzen; A-Series Absent

B-Real · Apr 30, 2019

Manu_PT said:
So much for the "future compability". You can argue A320 is a niche product but Ive seen those going for as low as 40€ and would be a nice pair with a 6c/12t 4ghz-4.5ghz upgrade path.

I see the 300 series motherboards also supporting the Zen2, so stop spreading lies. Thank you. Wondering how many A320 owner would go for a Zen2.

DDDDD

notb · Apr 30, 2019

zlobby said:
Can you please post sources citing AMD will support AM4 till 2020 for ALL boards and ALL CPUs?

I think that was the common interpretation of their marketing materials. There was no official statement that said something different.
A300 and A320 are niche chipsets from from a niche manufacturer. Not many care.
If AMD had a larger market share and it turned out that a popular B350 isn't supported as well, this would have potential for class action in US. Easily.

I'm pretty sure A320 can run newer Ryzens (more or less) but mobo manufacturers decided (together) to drop support since it costs money to keep these boards alive, and it canibalizes the rest of the lineup.

It still makes it AMD's fault. Don't whitewash them. They're also a company that wants to make money (should want). They profit on sold chips as well.

B-Real said:
Wondering how many A320 owner would go for a Zen2. DDDDD

A few people on this forum said something similar. Can you explain what you mean? I don't get this argument.

Why would someone looking for an update not buy Zen2?

tony359 · Apr 30, 2019

zlobby said:
Can you please post sources citing AMD will support AM4 till 2020 for ALL boards and ALL CPUs?

I'm pretty sure A320 can run newer Ryzens (more or less) but mobo manufacturers decided (together) to drop support since it costs money to keep these boards alive, and it canibalizes the rest of the lineup.

That's fine with me, so it's a marketing decision which I am not happy with. What I am questioning is people suggesting that the A320 was an inferior product because it did not support higher TDP's.
Intel at least changes the socket (unnecessarily) to make this incompatibility happening. This seems to be (happy to be wrong) a total marketing decision based on NO technical reasons.

iO · Apr 30, 2019

ASRock's A320 boards will support Ryzen 3000, it's ASUS who is shafting its users, not AMD...
https://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=BIOS

zlobby · Apr 30, 2019

iO said:
ASRock's A320 boards will support Ryzen 3000, it's ASUS who is shafting its users, not AMD...
https://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=BIOS

Oops, there goes my argument about manufacturers making cartels and collectively dropping support for A320.

notb · Apr 30, 2019

iO said:
ASRock's A320 boards will support Ryzen 3000, it's ASUS who is shafting its users, not AMD...
https://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=BIOS

This update is for Zen+ APUs.
AFAIK ASRock hasn't announced anything about Zen2 yet.

Ruru · Apr 30, 2019

Who cares, it's a low-end entry-level chipset. Reminds me how people burned their cheap AM3+ motherboards with power hungry FX CPUs.

iO · Apr 30, 2019

notb said:
This update is for Zen+ APUs.
AFAIK ASRock hasn't announced anything about Zen2 yet.

Yeah but it's based on the same AGESA 0072 which ASUS calls ready for "next-gen CPUs", so...

OC-Ghost · Apr 30, 2019

All Ryzen chipsets have support for upcoming Zen2, BUT not all motherboards have big enough UEFI/BIOS roms for the support (e.g. Buy the cheapest and you loose support)

R0H1T · Apr 30, 2019

notb said:
I think that was the common interpretation of their marketing materials. There was no official statement that said something different.
A300 and A320 are niche chipsets from from a niche manufacturer. Not many care.
If AMD had a larger market share and it turned out that a popular B350 isn't supported as well, this would have potential for class action in US. Easily.

You're making things up, clearly!

Wanna try that in a court of law?

zlobby · Apr 30, 2019

OC-Ghost said:
All Ryzen chipsets have support for upcoming Zen2, BUT not all motherboards have big enough UEFI/BIOS roms for the support (e.g. Buy the cheapest and you loose support)

What if, bear with me, all of ASRock's mobo lineup has the same EEPROM chip size? Like they do now.

So do ASUS. Their own website lists all mobos having the same size of BIOS chip.

So, where does this lead us?

tony359 · Apr 30, 2019

When I purchased my A320 there was no mention - either on the manufacturer website nor on the chipset manufacturer - of any hardware limitation of the A320. No mention of EEPROM size, no mention of TDP values. I made my choice based on what the manufacturers told me. Had I seen any mention of potential future upgrade limitations or any hardware limitation of the A320 (and not feature limitations), I would have made my choice differently.

"It's cheap so it's ok that it's not supported" cannot be a valid argument.

zlobby · Apr 30, 2019

tony359 said:
When I purchased my A320 there was no mention - either on the manufacturer website nor on the chipset manufacturer - of any hardware limitation of the A320. No mention of EEPROM size, no mention of TDP values. I made my choice based on what the manufacturers told me. Had I seen any mention of potential future upgrade limitations or any hardware limitation of the A320 (and not feature limitations), I would have made my choice differently.

"It's cheap so it's ok that it's not supported" cannot be a valid argument.

Yeah, sucks to be you. Welcome to the real world! (where nobody cares about anything but money)

Better luck with another manufacturer (or intel) next time.

Oh, and believe it or not, I mean no offense with my attitude. My only hope is that you (and the others like you) grasp what I'm trying to say. There is no candy-pooping unicorns, riding the rainbow. Justice League exists only in the comics. Real world is a harsh place and Kansas has long gone bye-bye.

nico_80) · Apr 30, 2019

notb · Apr 30, 2019

iO said:
Yeah but it's based on the same AGESA 0072 which ASUS calls ready for "next-gen CPUs", so...

ASUS never said it's ready for "next-gen CPUs". In fact the source of this news says:
"ASUS will release BIOS updates (...)"

AGESA 0072 is for APU. Another BIOS update will cover CPUs.

R0H1T said:
Wanna try that in a court of law?

?
You'll sue me for saying that AMD has small market share?

OC-Ghost said:
All Ryzen chipsets have support for upcoming Zen2, BUT not all motherboards have big enough UEFI/BIOS roms for the support (e.g. Buy the cheapest and you loose support)

Yeah. And all cars can travel 1000km/h - it's just that the air is too thick.

After Zen2 launches and all mobo makers give official statements, we'll have 3 possible outcomes:
1) Zen2 works on all older mobos
2) Zen2 works on older mobos with particular chipsets
3) Zen2 works on some older mobos with no obvious correlation with chipsets

AMD takes on the praise and all the blame. If they wanted all motherboards to support Zen2, they should have secured that.
If they planned from a start to support just some chipsets, they could have said it clearly. I don't expect that. I understand companies have to make money and they'll use every opportunity.
But AMD benefits from being seen as a white knight of PC industry - a favourite of people who treat Intel and Nvidia as evil corporations. I think the Zen2 compatibility issue will be a good test of how deserved that opinion is.

nico_80) · Apr 30, 2019

will have a other update later.

tony359 · Apr 30, 2019

zlobby said:
Oh, and believe it or not, I mean no offense with my attitude. My only hope is that you (and the others like you) grasp what I'm trying to say.

Not really. This forum is to discuss. Your post brings absolutely nothing to the discussion besides a "it is what it is" but that is absolutely not the point.

iO · Apr 30, 2019

notb said:
ASUS never said it's ready for "next-gen CPUs". In fact the source of this news says:
"ASUS will release BIOS updates (...)"

In fact you are trying really hard to be right by quoting only the first half of that sentence:
"ASUS will release BIOS updates for its 300 and 400 series motherboards to add support for next-generation AMD Ryzen CPUs."

B-Real · Apr 30, 2019

Manu_PT said:
So much for the "future compability". You can argue A320 is a niche product but Ive seen those going for as low as 40€ and would be a nice pair with a 6c/12t 4ghz-4.5ghz upgrade path.

There you go, little troll:

"ASRock seems to support new AMD Ryzen 3000 chips for its A320 motherboards "

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/a...zen-3000-chips-for-its-a320-motherboards.html

R0H1T · May 1, 2019

notb said:
?
You'll sue me for saying that AMD has small market share?

How could I sue you, you're making claims that AMD could easily get sued in the US if they were bigger? Except you're forgetting that other case 10+ years back :wtf:

So how about you walk the talk? I'll give you all the moral support from outside the US, heck if this does go to trial I'll even support it but you have to do the legwork!

INSTG8R · May 1, 2019

Vayra86 said:
I'm getting the impression board makers have to get off their very sweet Intel-drug and into AMD's world that is somewhat lower-margin of nature. The natural response: cut cost / cut support, and force users of AMD CPUs into a new board purchase.

Its a bitter pill for them to swallow, and they have little choice in the matter as AMD gains market share.

That’s so true, they’ve had the luxury of having Intel flip sockets and chipsets every generation which just means instant sales, now they gotta fall into line and accept that AMD isn’t playing that way.

notb · May 1, 2019

INSTG8R said:
That’s so true, they’ve had the luxury of having Intel flip sockets and chipsets every generation which just means instant sales, now they gotta fall into line and accept that AMD isn’t playing that way.

Or they can stop promoting AMD products in favour of Intel.
You'll say that it's all a plot and that Intel is paying them. And you're right in a way. They'll sell the product that makes them more money.

AMD's choice to be a low margin company forces OEMs to lower their expectations as well. I don't think they'll want to play along.

B-Real said:
There you go, little troll:

"ASRock seems to support new AMD Ryzen 3000 chips for its A320 motherboards "

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/a...zen-3000-chips-for-its-a320-motherboards.html

It's been repeated on and on that this update only guarantees Ryzen 3000-series APU support. Be a good AMD fanboy and finally learn something about their products.

iO said:
In fact you are trying really hard to be right by quoting only the first half of that sentence:
"ASUS will release BIOS updates for its 300 and 400 series motherboards to add support for next-generation AMD Ryzen CPUs."

Yes, that's the full sentence. I quoted the most important parts. ASUS will release BIOS update. So the Ryzen CPU update is coming in the future. The BIOS update we already have is for APU.
You keep saying AGESA 0072 is for "next-gen CPUs" (Zen2) which is incorrect.

For example:
PRIME X470-PRO current BIOS is 4602. That's the AGESA 0072 with Zen+ APU support.
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X470-PRO/HelpDesk_BIOS/
ASUS said that Zen2 CPU support will be in BIOS 4801:
https://www.asus.com/News/EtaH71Hbjuio1arV

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ASUS Reveals Listing of Motherboards, Chipsets Receiving Update for Next-gen Ryzen; A-Series Absent

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