Asus X670E Crosshair Crashes

[purecain]

Instability brought on after a bios update and also a change of CPU. I didn't have one crash using the 7900X3D.

The 9800X3D however has been initially stable, then the bios update from hell arrived.

The first issue I had with the BIOS was when It caused me to have to uninstall my GPU physically and then reflash the bios to get it to see that particular slot
and acknowledge the GPU. This solution took me 3days to figure out.

Now we have this instablitiy and most of us have seasonic PSU's.

So the BIOS is basically causing power spikes, causing the PSU protection to kick in.

The one thing that I am still questioning, is when the crash happens, my second screen to the onboard GPU still functions and there is still sound.

I pray we come up with a fix soon. Will post when I find the solution

 

[ir_cow]

Interesting. I didn't think that the BIOS has any control over the GPU power delivery.

Now the 9800X3D has been given me problems as well. ASRock blames it on dirty socket pins, but we all knows it's AMD unfinished BIOS.

On the MSI MB I have, it fails to boot 80% of the time until I clear the CMOS.

 

[purecain]

We must find the issue and then get it sorted. We are the beta testers as usual.

If I enter a menu on Helldivers it causes the crash.

The sound just crashed. Only the sound went afk. Could mean something.

 

[ir_cow]

Have you tried the basic troubleshooting? Don't enable XMP/EXPO. Run a stability test on GPU and CPU.

I'm pretty sure mines related to the motherboard not retaining voltage for DRAM on auto. No boot problems if I manually set it.

 

[_roman_]

thanks for sharing - the information is important.

I would not only blame AMD. ASUS has quality issues with their firmware = UEFI = BIOS

I also wonder if AMD is to blame for Overclocking issues. I highly doubt these issues happens with Stock values with stock "default" settings from sane mainboard companies.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

On the MSI MB I have, it fails to boot 80% of the time until I clear the CMOS.

That sounds more like a physical QC problem with yours. I suspect a poop solder joint. Or a bad component otherwise.
If it keeps happening with manual voltage settings.

Now we have this instablitiy and most of us have seasonic PSU's.

So the BIOS is basically causing power spikes, causing the PSU protection to kick in.

WTF? It seems that my Sparkle Titan Arc A770 possibly causes a portion of the PSU to trip, if I increase the GPU Vcore in IGS! Is it really my eVGA G3 750 tripping out? I think it's a watt limit, if anything.
Because I had to power-cycle to get it to even display anything. Back in December, IIRC. It's either that or the card has a hard-watt-limit that requires a hardware mod!

 

[ir_cow]

That sounds more like a physical QC problem with yours. I suspect a poop solder joint. Or a bad component otherwise.
If it keeps happening with manual voltage settings.

I would agree but the 9950X is perfectly fine using the same motherboard and BIOS.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Should I put in my Corsair RM850x PSU in? Is the eVGA Supernova G3 750 known to trip under a strange circumstance? Where it possibly only disabled the external PCI-E connectors?
Even when I have no evidence that it even uses more watts than my RX 6750 XT! Or a small difference.

I've been using the eVGA Supernova G3 750 for a while now and didn't recall even running into anything that possibly made it trip before!

 

[_roman_]

I assume it's this power supply unit https://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=220-G3-0750-X1
It does not really reveal in the specs which ATX standard it has.

Power supply units have more factors as the "brand" and the "up to 750W" parameter.

-- My ASUS Prime X670-P Mainboard needs certain stuff enabled and disabled to not crash the Intel WLAN module. I bought the metall case and added a notebook intel wlan module myself in teh M2-V, v stands for vertical, slot. The crash happened reliable once a week for ages until I changed something. Since than the problem is gone. So who to blame? AMD for the mainboard chipset? AMD for the 7600X? ASUS for the mainboard and firmware? Intel for the wlan module and firmware and Software for the WLAN? Enabling or disabling Power saving Features on an ASUS mainboard should never crash the hole operating system when using the intel wlan module on an asus mainboard. Well as everything is closed source - ASUS is shit and INTEL is shit. This just gives me much higher negative opinion about intel bad hardware and bad software. USB-tethering with inactive INTEL WLAN did nothing for more than 15 days to crosscheck in the past without a single software update in that period. To 100% blame the intel WLAN card. Changing UEFI settings without software update made it 100% clear after two weeks who's fault it is. Power saving wrong implemented on intel or asus or amd side.

 

[xtreemchaos]

maybe voltage droop. id try a little voltage +on the vcore and see what happens.

 

[purecain]

The problem with adding voltage, is these X670E boards are burning the cpu and socket.

If X670E doesnt get sorted im out the 800 I paid for the board. No warranty! How about that,

I cant believe such a solid system with 7800X3D could after a bios and cpu update be such a problem.

Ive been streaming for 10years. Until this. I cant stream any game now as it keeps crashing after 10m. Its driving me nuts. Im trying to complete KHAZAN.

I feel like AMD have taken advantage of us with the pricing and then the problem causing BIOS that makes the PCIE x16 have itself terminated and not recognised,

until I removed the GPU and used bios flash back. Then reinstalling works and the gpu works like normal. Until these crashes start.

We've heard nothing from asus on the matter and now we're all grasping at straws as we all spend hours trying one thing after another.

ASUS the problem I have is the system crashes in games after 10m, always the same way with a white line shooting across the monitor as audio is still playing. The second monitor also stays on and I can still carry on using the system. With monitor1 and the GPU black screening.
Its unacceptable.
Im not buying a PSU as this one was fine and stable with two other systems. AMD must fix the BIOS.

Bless us with the solution.

 

[ir_cow]

The problem with adding voltage, is these X670E boards are burning the cpu and socket.

That was a SoC auto voltage problem and since been resolved long ago. You can no longer go above 1.35v for the SoC.

The 9800X3D had problems and mainly on ASRock, which since has been resolved. Since your using a 7800 and ASUS, this shouldn't affect you.

Any CPU killing now will be your doing from manually setting the vcore or VDDIO to high.

If you system is still crashing. I suggest doing the 101 trouble shooting. Disable any CPU OC and Memory XMP/EXPO to start. Run stress tests and see if it's stable or not.

 

[eidairaman1]

Id suggest going back to last bios

 

[purecain]

So found out what was causing it. Something kept the driver from initialising the fan on the 4090. So it basically worked until this caused the crashes.

The latest bios is also solid.

If your getting the shutdowns try turning all your fans up and see if the issue persists. Im sure its the GPU fan not kicking in.

stability testing now.

Oc next.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

So found out what was causing it. Something kept the driver from initialising the fan on the 4090. So it basically worked until this caused the crashes.

The latest bios is also solid.

If your getting the shutdowns try turning all your fans up and see if the issue persists. Im sure its the GPU fan not kicking in.

stability testing now.

Oc next.

That's why I don't like auto fans on GPU, especially zero-RPM. My Arc A770, also has much higher temps with auto-fan.

 

[_roman_]

For AMD Graphic cards a custom game profile with custom values for everything is better. I assume the shown power and temperature values are in range of plus 10 and minus 10 of teh shown value.
I claim the fact less power shown for the graphic card means less temperature and less fan noise.

Gnu linux has no fan speed support for the 7800x a few months ago. In windows I have the zero fan mode disabled on the standard profile and for all gaming profiles.

 

[AsRock]

We must find the issue and then get it sorted. We are the beta testers as usual.

If I enter a menu on Helldivers it causes the crash.

The sound just crashed. Only the sound went afk. Could mean something.

Any chance you have core isolation turned on ?.

Never mind HD2 is not a good game to test for a working system.

 

[purecain]

I still cant believe that there are so many 4090 owners all crashing not knowing the fan settiing is borked.
Took me 3 days to start opening the side and physically feeling for heat from the componants. GPU was burning hot.
So solution found for at least one of the most persistant crashes. Never had an issue with the gpu fan not kicking in though.
Lucky I found it.

 

[purecain]

Man I was sure Id solved the crashing. I come out of game and as I walk out of my office I hear the fans go to maximum. Its a gpu crash. The system was still running on the second screen.
Pulling my hair out trying to solve this gpu crashing garbage. All I can say, is we shouldn't be the ones problem solving for Asus on their top of the line boards.
I'll be trying another brand and might even give intel a shout as Ive been supporting AMD for a long time now. Next build will be intel.
AM5 X670E GPU woes!!!! Anyone got any idea what this is yet. My gpu crashes randomly.