Batman Returns

[tabascosauz]

I like how Intel has exhausted so many alphabetical suffixes that they're now using the -S.

-H for high perf? Nah, that belongs to mobile.
-X? Nah, HEDT has that one.
-R for refresh? Nah, Crystalwell.
-Y? Nah, that one's Core M.
-P? Nah, AMD used that on mobile.
-T for turbo? Nah, 35W parts have that.

Whatever, put -KS for Killing it Superbly, nobody ever bought our -S 65W SKUs anyway. What with the MSRP, it's going to make you want to Kill yourSelf to find the funds, but whatever.

 

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I like how Intel has exhausted so many alphabetical suffixes that they're now using the -S.

-H for high perf? Nah, that belongs to mobile.
-X? Nah, HEDT has that one.
-R for refresh? Nah, Crystalwell.
-Y? Nah, that one's Core M.
-P? Nah, AMD used that on mobile.
-T for turbo? Nah, 35W parts have that.

Whatever, put -KS for Killing it Superbly, nobody ever bought our -S 65W SKUs anyway. What with the MSRP, it's going to make you want to Kill yourSelf to find the funds, but whatever.

Lol

I can see enthusiasts who will benefit from two more cores for work apps and also want a super responsive CPU picking up the 9900KS. It still uses the low latency Ring Bus.

Plus can always disable 2cores and run it at 5.5 and 5.6 like an 8086K. A sweet 5.4 Daily.

I noticed the highest GeekBench Single Thread scores are 9900K chips running only 2cores during the test.

Hmmm I’ve always ran my single core benches with 6c12t, I thought that was the rules lol. I should disable 4cores of my 8086K and rerun all my single thread benchies

Maybe I still have a chance at a record and of course that trophy. Lolol

If Intel did the binning the same as the 8086K, then 5.1Ghz will be the highest bin from Siliconlottery.com tested stable on his ROG Hero boards. The special editions like the 8086K and 9900KS don't change the overclocking ability of the sample, all it does is increase the percent of the higher bins.

ie: an 8700K binned at 5.3Ghz is the same performer as an 8086K binned at 5.3Ghz, exactly the same. Only difference is like 3% of 8700Ks will clock that high vs 14% of 8086Ks.

Except at stock speeds, then the 8086Ks are set to 4.0 base and 5.0 boost vs the 8700Ks at 3.6 and 4.6 respectively. Yet the overclockability (is that even a word? lol) should be the same.

 

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Just found out Logitech launched the new gen 3 MX Master mouse.

I've been running a gray/white MX 2S for the research pc, and a midnight teal MX 2S for the Batman for a couple years.

New magnetic scroll wheel - scroll 1000 lines of text in one second.

Logitech sends out 30% off discount codes via email to their previous customer list, that's when to buy, then only $69. Save $30...

I'll grab one at a time when they send out the codes, the mid gray color for the research pc and the graphite for the Batman.

LOVE Logitech mice. Logitech speakers? Had an inexpensive $20 pair, they were awful, but that's another story.

Goodbye blue Batman mouse, moving you to the tertiary rig which currently is only a box of used parts. lol

Gen 3 looks amazing!

 

[tabascosauz]

I have a Gen1 MX Master for laptop use. In its use case, it's amazing.

Sadly, the C14S was not to be in the M1, it can only fit with the heatpipes facing west or north. Heatpipes west is a no, because the 24-pin won't allow the NF-A14 to be in its space, even though the Trident Zs don't care; apparently, people are asking Noctua for 120mm fan clips so they can remedy the issue with a A12x25, but I don't have the luxury of having my rig out of commission until Noctua sends me fan clips from Austria (I already got ones a few weeks ago for the D9L, so I know how long it takes). Heatpipes north is also a no-go, because my 1070 ACX 3.0 has a substantial backplate and the tips of the heatpipes poke it in a way that causes the GPU fans to hit the A12x25 housings in the bottom of the case. Even if I didn't have the A12s there, the heatpipe poke contributes to my already kinda unsettling GPU sag.

Even if there was a way around those issues, I still wouldn't do it. Cramming it into the M1 literally makes for nearly zero room, and a really ghetto setup between the 1070 almost touching the A12s and there being no volume left for air in there. Other SFF people might be able to put it on a desk and never touch it again, but Ol' Beastie needs to go places far, far away, so that's an instant no-no the moment I saw what it looked like with the C14S.

Good news [kinda] is that I can still use the A12x25s, which are very quiet indeed. Since I had to use the long AM4 bars for the C14S, I took the opportunity to turn my D9L back to up-down orientation and run the A9s in push-push instead of pull-pull. I guess I can either keep the C14S around, or return it in anticipation of getting a larger case for my 4790K and running U12A instead. It's a nice cooler, I'll give it that.

 

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I have a Gen1 MX Master for laptop use. In its use case, it's amazing.

Sadly, the C14S was not to be in the M1, it can only fit with the heatpipes facing west or north. Heatpipes west is a no, because the 24-pin won't allow the NF-A14 to be in its space, even though the Trident Zs don't care; apparently, people are asking Noctua for 120mm fan clips so they can remedy the issue with a A12x25, but I don't have the luxury of having my rig out of commission until Noctua sends me fan clips from Austria (I already got ones a few weeks ago for the D9L, so I know how long it takes). Heatpipes north is also a no-go, because my 1070 ACX 3.0 has a substantial backplate and the tips of the heatpipes poke it in a way that causes the GPU fans to hit the A12x25 housings in the bottom of the case. Even if I didn't have the A12s there, the heatpipe poke contributes to my already kinda unsettling GPU sag.

Even if there was a way around those issues, I still wouldn't do it. Cramming it into the M1 literally makes for nearly zero room, and a really ghetto setup between the 1070 almost touching the A12s and there being no volume left for air in there. Other SFF people might be able to put it on a desk and never touch it again, but Ol' Beastie needs to go places far, far away, so that's an instant no-no the moment I saw what it looked like with the C14S.

Good news [kinda] is that I can still use the A12x25s, which are very quiet indeed. Since I had to use the long AM4 bars for the C14S, I took the opportunity to turn my D9L back to up-down orientation and run the A9s in push-push instead of pull-pull. I guess I can either keep the C14S around, or return it in anticipation of getting a larger case for my 4790K and running U12A instead. It's a nice cooler, I'll give it that.

Wait, you have a C14S in-house? Pictures, we want pictures.

Yea, thought your tiny M1 might be a tight fit. I guess you dislike HUGE cases and the look of "bare chassis wall" as much as I do. The weird thing is, try finding a case that will accommodate an E-ATX motherboard that doesn't also come with bare chassis wall syndrome, lol. I mean every new case on the market looks empty if you don't fill it up with water cooling parts. Geez.

I'd like to grab a Lian Li -011 Dynamic in white for a sweet and fast (and inaudible) little air build, then mount a noise-isolated bank of exhaust fans in the 360mm available right-side rad space.

Still, above the mobo and forward of the mobo - it's gonna look empty.

You must really LOVE your SFF builds bro.

I fell in love with E-ATX boards way back in 2012, all the extra available options I thought was a good thing since I didn't know much about computers then and had no idea what direction I needed to go in to work from a home office. At that time, I moved from a gigantic 50lb heavy steel and plastic CoolerMaster Cosmos 1000 (remember those?) down-sized to a Corsair 650D exactly for that very purpose - to eliminate as many bare empty spaces inside the build.

Looking back, all the super enthusiasts in the CaseLabs forum buying those enormous cases thinking to myself, there's no way I could ever make that look right, I just don't use that many components for a simple inaudible work build. I stayed with the medium to small Mercury S8s and even then if you don't fill them with rads, it just looks empty and unfinished.

Really love what I'm using now, the Mercury S8 test bench configuration is half case/half chassis and allows an aesthetically pleasing amount of distance between components so nothing looks cramped, yet the rig overall still looks filled up and complete. Although, sure there are still trade-offs, all those ugly angles, my build is not the most photogenic by any means . But, I like to think of it not as a show build or even an aesthetic build, it's a hyper-efficient technical build - plain and simple.

space efficient
power efficient
decibel efficient
silicon efficient
thermally efficient ... yup, a pure technical build all the way.

 

[tabascosauz]

The size difference between the two is staggering.

What I could do:

1. Wait for 120mm clips from Noctua and use a A12 or F12 with the C14S, heatpipes facing west.

2. Get a Chimera Cerberus and put the C14S to work with the A14 on top.

3. Get a Cerberus and swap them around, put the C14S to work with a top A14 on the 3700X. Give up Pelican portability on main rig.

4. Do nothing.

5. Return the C14S, buy a TJ08T-E and a U12A, put it to work on the 4790K.

I'd give my left nut for a Mercury S3 or X2M.

 

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The size difference between the two is staggering.

What I could do:

1. Wait for 120mm clips from Noctua and use a A12 or F12 with the C14S, heatpipes facing west.

2. Get a Chimera Cerberus and put the C14S to work with the A14 on top.

3. Get a Cerberus and swap them around, put the C14S to work with a top A14 on the 3700X. Give up Pelican portability on main rig.

4. Do nothing.

5. Return the C14S, buy a TJ08T-E and a U12A, put it to work on the 4790K.

I'd give my left nut for a Mercury S3 or X2M.

Wow, yea almost forgot about the X2M, would look like a slightly larger M1 from the external view, that would be so sweet. I wanted a Bullet BH4, then could go mini-ITX or microATX it was going to be the tertiary build at one time, sent the order thru the CL store and it would not process our PayPal. Like what? Wasn't the first time either. Never an issue with our PP account with ANY merchant except CaseLabs so since I live 15min from Performance PCs, would place orders with them (our PayPal worked fine with PPCS) piggy-back my orders with their CaseLabs replacement stock parts orders since they were a supplier. They'd arrive like 6-8weeks later, drive over and pick up the parts, easy. CaseLabs made a few statements in the forums saying if you're having issues with their PayPal, it was your PP account and not their webstore's issue. (rolling eyes emoticon) I could write volumes related to the "business side" of CL vs the amazing quality and brilliant design side, but that's water under the shed or moving downstream or pages already turned or however that old wise adage, axiom, proverb, dictum rambles along.

Amazing tabasco dood, you listed (5) possible options for your C14S. How about option (6) - keeping it and going with the Streacom DA2 in black/gunmetal all aluminum case only slightly larger than the M1?

Cleaned up the Noctua 65mm mini-cooler, using my own version of the new Noctua alcohol wipes. Bounty select-a-size kitchen towel a single-pull folded and cut into (4) equal size towelettes (towelettes, I just now reached an understanding of that word, first time light bulb moment), then wet with 99% Isopropyl alcohol IPA and there ya go, coldplate and IHS - cleaning on the cheap.

The natural aluminum silver sku doesn't really do it for me, but that black or gunmetal (depending on the lighting) that's a sexy case.

 

[tabascosauz]

Wow, yea almost forgot about the X2M, would look like a slightly larger M1 from the external view, that would be so sweet. I wanted a Bullet BH4, then could go mini-ITX or microATX it was going to be the tertiary build at one time, sent the order thru the CL store and it would not process our PayPal. Like what? Wasn't the first time either. Never an issue with our PP account with ANY merchant except CaseLabs so since I live 15min from Performance PCs, would place orders with them (our PayPal worked fine with PPCS) piggy-back my orders with their CaseLabs replacement stock parts orders since they were a supplier. They'd arrive like 6-8weeks later, drive over and pick up the parts, easy. CaseLabs made a few statements in the forums saying if you're having issues with their PayPal, it was your PP account and not their webstore's issue. (rolling eyes emoticon) I could write volumes related to the "business side" of CL vs the amazing quality and brilliant design side, but that's water under the shed or moving downstream or pages already turned or however that old wise adage, axiom, proverb, dictum rambles along.

Amazing tabasco dood, you listed (5) possible options for your C14S. How about option (6) - keeping it and going with the Streacom DA2 in black/gunmetal all aluminum case only slightly larger than the M1?

Cleaned up the Noctua 65mm mini-cooler, using my own version of the new Noctua alcohol wipes. Bounty select-a-size kitchen towel a single-pull folded and cut into (4) equal size towelettes (towelettes, I just now reached an understanding of that word, first time light bulb moment), then wet with 99% Isopropyl alcohol IPA and there ya go, coldplate and IHS - cleaning on the cheap.

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The natural aluminum silver sku doesn't really do it for me, but that black or gunmetal (depending on the lighting) that's a sexy case.

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I just finished reading the horror thread about their official EU supplier, Bestcases.eu (where CL cases are still "available" and S3 selling for 600EUR lol), so I can fully see the PP issue being a CL thing. They blamed tariffs, but I guess it had a lot to do with the way the company was run too.

The DA2 is quite a bit larger than the M1 in every direction, almost 5L in volume (the empty spaces top and bottom). The Cerberus is actually mATX and the about the same volume, 18L. As for the size of the X2M, you can probably fit 3 M1s in there, and I mean the Abrams kind

I'm thinking it might be time to give up the 1510 PC life. That way I can move onto and focus on the Cerberus, buy a HVK Hades Canyon NUC for on the go and fit it into the yellow Peli 1300 I have, then put back in the dividers on the 1510 to use with camera gear. M1 can still house my 4790K.

Bounty + IPA have always been the way to go. Guess I beat you this time, Noctua. so what's the fate for the L9x65?

 

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I just finished reading the horror thread about their official EU supplier, Bestcases.eu (where CL cases are still "available" and S3 selling for 600EUR lol), so I can fully see the PP issue being a CL thing. They blamed tariffs, but I guess it had a lot to do with the way the company was run too.

The DA2 is quite a bit larger than the M1 in every direction, almost 5L in volume (the empty spaces top and bottom). The Cerberus is actually mATX and the about the same volume, 18L. As for the size of the X2M, you can probably fit 3 M1s in there, and I mean the Abrams kind

I'm thinking it might be time to give up the 1510 PC life. That way I can move onto and focus on the Cerberus, buy a HVK Hades Canyon NUC for on the go and fit it into the yellow Peli 1300 I have, then put back in the dividers on the 1510 to use with camera gear. M1 can still house my 4790K.

Bounty + IPA have always been the way to go. Guess I beat you this time, Noctua. so what's the date for the L9x65?

Sorry if I missed my comparison dimensions ITX chassis vs ITX chassis, they all appear tiny to me. lol Tabascobro grabbed his own build log thread. Does that mean I'll never see him again?

 

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Sorry if I missed my comparison dimensions ITX chassis vs ITX chassis, they all appear tiny to me. lol Tabascobro grabbed his own build log thread. Does that mean I'll never see him again?

Oh, worry not. I'll still be here up until you're so sick of me you want me off your thread it's not everyday I find a fellow enthusiast who understands the utter importance of brown cooling lol.

I think I found the solution to my woes: the A12x15. It's a slimline 120mm that just fits the remaining space above the C14S. If Noctua can send me two sets of 120mm clips, a push-pull with a A12x15 and A12x25 could be done, as well as the return of a A9 as exhaust. Fingers crossed.

 

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Oh, worry not. I'll still be here up until you're so sick of me you want me off your thread it's not everyday I find a fellow enthusiast who understands the utter importance of brown cooling lol.

I think I found the solution to my woes: the A12x15. It's a slimline 120mm that just fits the remaining space above the C14S. If Noctua can send me two sets of 120mm clips, a push-pull with a A12x15 and A12x25 could be done, as well as the return of a A9 as exhaust. Fingers crossed.

"Understanding the Utter Importance of Brown Cooling" could be a book title. lol


I'm not such a huge fan (superpun) of the Noctua colors brown and beige - I only take my Noctua in black.

 

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Woooo ordered the new MX Master 3 in graphite for the Batman direct from Logitech.

Didn't get the 30% discount. Yep, I paid the early adopter tax, sheesh. Logitech tapped into my weakness for scrolling quickly.

Guess I'll have to work Harder to make up for it, I mean Faster.

MX Master 3S Wireless Performance Mouse | Logitech

Shop MX Master 3S Wireless Mouse. Features precision tracking, quiet click buttons, MagSpeed scroll wheel, app customization, flow between devices, and more

www.logitech.com

REM Weekend ... surviving the storm ... thanking God you're still alive

 

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Now, Logitech is out of stock OOS.

It's funny how that happens.

 

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Daniel works so hard so much physical, could not imagine how expensive his builds are to completion. I would never could never want to afford one.

Guessing $10,000USD to $20,000USD and up for his larger builds, so many man hours included, he's an absolute genius.

Much Respect Daniel!

...but for me I'll use my own brain and achieve the same or better performance and sacrifice his beautiful and amazing aesthetics for a much smaller price tag.

That's business.

VS a gorgeous showpiece in your home which cost much more ... nothing wrong with that if it's your dream machine and makes you happy - you wake in the morning and at first glance you smile.

 

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Now, it's moving to kill more innocent souls in Canada. Dorian is the Devil in geophysical form.

 

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We sent $250 to the American Red Cross Relief for Bahamas victims of Hurricane Dorian.

gf insisted loudly and emotionally. Even though I'm thinking only $50 will actually reach those people in need. Bureaucracy, I hope I'm 100% wrong.

We share the same tropical potentially destructive neighborhood.

 

[tabascosauz]

The Bahamas really did suffer terribly at the hands of Dorian. Simply flattened. It's sad to see that the official count is still at 30, while it's clear from the scene that it's really much, much more.

On a happier note, the MX3 looks like a really good mouse. Because I don't use my XPS 13 too much, my original MX still looks brand new, but if it looked like yours, that new Magspeed wheel looks mighty fine......

 

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The Bahamas really did suffer terribly at the hands of Dorian. Simply flattened. It's sad to see that the official count is still at 30, while it's clear from the scene that it's really much, much more.

On a happier note, the MX3 looks like a really good mouse. Because I don't use my XPS 13 too much, my original MX still looks brand new, but if it looked like yours, that new Magspeed wheel looks mighty fine......

Could have easily been us. We had a Cat 4 upper right quadrant heading directly towards us for 48hours tracking. Upper right quadrant adds a plus + to the wind speed, destruction, and category.

We had a north, south and west roadway evac route planned for Sunday morning. OR if all hell came at us cat4 or cat5 direct hit - fly out to Atlanta Dallas Birmingham any airport hotel, and watch the house destroyed online.

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Both my MX Master gen 2s heavy use. The midnight teal blue is still ok, since I'm on the keyboard 85% of the time.

The research rig white/gray not so responsive any longer, cleaned it many times, to the tertiary rig box or gf's parents, I guess for now.

 

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gf: Oh my, I think we have brand new hurricane roaches in the bathroom.

Yes, Harry and Nadine, they are extremely calm and well behaved.

 

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Working on highest clock speed attainable on air using 2-core and single-core boot and single-threaded benchmarks.

Need to research the dark board's capabilities first. And get some help from an expert overclocker, maybe more than one - all in process.

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As the thread moves to intermission with a kitty cat lullaby:

(spoiler alert: he nods off at 2:26)

 

[Space Lynx]

I love that EVGA mobo, I wish they made mid-range priced motherboards, I'd give them a shot.

 

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I love that EVGA mobo, I wish they made mid-range priced motherboards, I'd give them a shot.

EVGA could easily produce a midrange overclocking motherboard.

I believe EVGA really wished for the Z390 Dark to be extremely special as their debut (back) into extreme overclocking since they loaded on so many extra features not to leave anyone out. Many I will never use like the U.2 NVMe port, or the direct to multimeter connectors, obviously the LN2 switches and monitoring - so there's plenty of room for a midrange $329 overclocking board from EVGA. They might also eliminate onboard video to save some of the budget and eliminate the gold content, still would be an amazing motherboard.

There is in fact so much gold content on the board, I almost went for the Gskill Trident Z Royal in gold, but from my daily working position, I really don't see any of the golden Z390 Dark highlights, and the gf thought the gold was especially gaudy, pretentious, and white trashy. lolol She speaks her mind once in awhile on tech.

Some enthusiasts believe the Royal silver is also too blingy and pretentious and I understand that completely. Unfortunately, Gskill doesn't offer their new 10-layer PCB 2.0 and higher clock speeds 4266Mhz, 4400Mhz, 4600Mhz, and 4800Mhz in any other configuration.

The RBG lighting on the modules is subtle and soothing in solid blue or solid white.

At least I didn't purchase the Trident Z Royal Collector's Edition display case, so give me a little credit for having a minimal amount of good taste.

Also, the rumor mill is saying Gskill Trident Z Royal in black-chrome with a more modern segmented yet not so crystalline light bar will be offered in the future. Maybe for the next AMD Ryzen series or Comet Lake or Rocket Lake or ddr5. Maybe they won't even call it Royal, I just don't know.

F4-4000C17Q-32GTRSU-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the newest member of the Trident Z family. Featuring a crown jewel design and meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the crystalline light bar scatters RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting.<br /> <br /> This Collector Edition...

www.gskill.com

Disclaimer: not meant to offend anyone who actually DID buy the Royal Display Case.

 

[tabascosauz]

You know what you could do - get a black Noctua heatsink when it comes out, IndustrialPPC fans, and a paracord/MDPC sleeved set in black/gold. Otherwise, it's not so much that gold is gaudy, it's that it's hard to coordinate and people don't put in the effort to even use custom cables, let alone put together an entire aesthetic. I do hate the font on the Royals though, it's approaching Comic Sans level.

EVGA doesn't seem to be keen on making proper Stinger boards anymore. The current H370 one sucks compared to the Stingers of old (Z87, Z97). That might draw me back to Intel if they make one in the future.

 

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You know what you could do - get a black Noctua heatsink when it comes out, IndustrialPPC fans, and a paracord/MDPC sleeved set in black/gold. Otherwise, it's not so much that gold is gaudy, it's that it's hard to coordinate and people don't put in the effort to even use custom cables, let alone put together an entire aesthetic. I do hate the font on the Royals though, it's approaching Comic Sans level.

EVGA doesn't seem to be keen on making proper Stinger boards anymore. The current H370 one sucks compared to the Stingers of old (Z87, Z97). That might draw me back to Intel if they make one in the future.

There's a long list of aesthetic additions I could add to my build, custom cables being one of them. I could be more creative and imaginative and carry on a "Batman Theme".

Maybe that's my fault.

The build is more what I imagined a fictional Batman or Bruce Wayne "would build" if he needed a superfast desktop computer to get work completed - in his upstairs home office.

And not so much a Batman-Themed build.

Of course Batman has the supercomputer down in the Batcave, but that was beyond my ability to recreate.

Lots of ugly angles in my build, it's form follows function - extremely asymmetric and eccentric. Exactly why I love it.

Apologize for the old photos. Taken back when we had all the walls bare and packed away in boxes ready to move. Will take some new pics at the new place in January.

 

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Can I move off-topic without getting into trouble?

Just trying to help out any TPU wetshaving brothers that might be out there. Is there a hobby subforum?

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Yaqi Betelgeuse 28mm synthetic Boss brush just arrived all the way from Australia for only $25USD (twenty-five) with shipping included. Wow!

The Boss is a type of synthetic knot or bristle material developed by Dupont Chemical years ago, now put to good use as a shaving tool, any Chemical Engineers out there? lol

Already have a Yaqi Boss 30mm $18USD from WestCoastShaving, and it's about 95% of the performance of the way too expensive Simpson Manchurian Badger natural hair Chubby 3 larger brushes from the Isle of Man, UK.

Betelgeuse, named after the brightest star in Orion's belt and marks the western shoulder of the constellation. Also, from that movie I liked so much.

From the product photo pages Yaqi Australia: really looked more orange and red, arrives more brown and black, oh well $25 including shipping halfway around the world, overall an amazing steal of a deal.

Not available here in the US, so had to jump on it.

Beetlejuice