Battlefield V with GeForce RTX DirectX Raytracing

[Easy Rhino]

Not at all about price it’s about diminishing returns 2080Ti performance becomes 1060 performance just to achieve it. it’s not for anyone unless they like dumbing down there Resolution and FPS on a Flaghship card that can easily do 4K
Would you play at 1024 or 720 on your 970 just for this feature?

What I would do really doesn't matter. Obviously people are willing to pay for it. The card isn't made for everyone. If you don't think it is a good value then it isn't FOR you. It is pretty amazing though it can play 4K with ray tracing over 30 FPS.

 

[stimpy88]

Gotta have love for anyone fooled into buying anything less than the 2080Ti. A totally unplayable 4K experience for anything lower in the range, and let’s not forget, this is just a handful of reflections in windows and some other fairly minor stuff, not a full or complex Raytraced game.

Gotta be the biggest waste of money ever in the premium PC market in many years. And the muppets fell for it, and are all up in the forums across the tech-web chest beating on behalf of the mighty nGreedia, and telling everyone how we don’t understand how visionary nGreedia are, and that this is just our expectations being too high, and that we are the ones with an understanding problem... yeah right, face it, you got ripped off and sold a lie, or more accurately, nGreedias lack of concrete performance info, and the very convenient lack of RTX software for the sheep to go and buy those cards like kids in a candy shop, with a deep slurp of green Kool-Aid on the side.

RTX tech is important, and Raytracing is the future, but not for another 2 or 3 generations, or 5 to 10 years in real speak.

But now we know why there were no tech demos released to the public, so we couldn’t get a peek under the hood... nGreedia couldn’t take the risk of putting off all those thousands of gullible rich kids lacking in patience and intelligence, maybe throwing yet more money on an SLI setup will be their saving grace, and let them boast even more in the forums... Win win for nGreedia, and a loss for anyone sane lamenting the fall of the PC platform to a niche gullible rich kids hobby.

 

[kastriot]

1080Ti 2080Ti

 

[Jism]

Nvidia is like Apple.

 

[trog100]

i personally never bought my 2080ti for its f-cking ray tracing abilities.. i never expected them to be of much use anyways.. i bought it because its the best there is and i could afford the price..

but its quite clear most of the negative comments in this thread are motivated simply by out and out hardware envy.. tis a shame its so prevalent..

trog

 

[INSTG8R]

What I would do really doesn't matter. Obviously people are willing to pay for it. The card isn't made for everyone. If you don't think it is a good value then it isn't FOR you. It is pretty amazing though it can play 4K with ray tracing over 30 FPS.

So you’d be happy paying $1200 for a card that runs as well as a $300 card for a “feature” I’m not sure if your serious or just being obtuse. INOBODY wants to play an FPS at 30FPS, Now you’re really reaching. The card is already in a new realm of pricing this “feature” now that it’s exposed adds no value to it at all. I’m sure sales will double with these new benchmarks. Please you’re having a laugh

 

[stimpy88]

i personally never bought my 2080ti for its f-cking ray tracing abilities.. i never expected them to be of much use anyways.. i bought it because its the best there is and i could afford the price..

but its quite clear most of the negative comments in this thread are motivated simply by out and out hardware envy.. tis a shame its so prevalent..

trog

Nice boast you got in there bro... shrug it off, and blame the plebs for not being able to afford it. Make you look like da MAN!

I wish I could be you... Ah hang on, then I’d look like a trigger-happy thick idiot with an e-peen prematurely blasting its load on anything shiny kind of guy... Seriously dude, not a good look.

 

[INSTG8R]

i personally never bought my 2080ti for its f-cking ray tracing abilities.. i never expected them to be of much use anyways.. i bought it because its the best there is and i could afford the price..

but its quite clear most of the negative comments in this thread are motivated simply by out and out hardware envy.. tis a shame its so prevalent..

trog

I’m pretty happy with my Vega I’m gaming at 1440 144hz with Freesync and HDR when available. Exactly where I want to be.

 

[Prince Valiant]

I'm not understanding why people are trying to pass negative views off as jealousy or opinion. Performance is poor and the numbers back it up.

 

[stimpy88]

I'm not understanding why people are trying to pass negative views off as jealousy or opinion. Performance is poor and the numbers back it up.

You do realise these people would rather take it out on the plebs than actually try to think and realise they were taken from behind by nGreedia. I actually think people like that kind of enjoy it... and thinking is not these people’s forté.

 

[Vayra86]

What I would do really doesn't matter. Obviously people are willing to pay for it. The card isn't made for everyone. If you don't think it is a good value then it isn't FOR you. It is pretty amazing though it can play 4K with ray tracing over 30 FPS.

And huge stuttering, and only on the lowest detail setting, but yes, if you set the bar low enough, its awesome!

'Obviously people are willing to pay for it'

Do they have a choice if they want to upgrade from a 1080 or better?

Come on man. I remember a time when we had a frame pacing shitstorm because frame times would suddenly exceed 50ms. Here we are looking at five times the exceptions and you're advocating its great performance. Get real.

i personally never bought my 2080ti for its f-cking ray tracing abilities.. i never expected them to be of much use anyways.. i bought it because its the best there is and i could afford the price..

but its quite clear most of the negative comments in this thread are motivated simply by out and out hardware envy.. tis a shame its so prevalent..

trog

Don't let that 2080ti get to your head. Its just a GPU that is pretty much obsolete by next gen, don't worry. I'll spend that 1200 on nicer things, no problem at all.

'Hardware envy' lol... I literally have no desire whatsoever to buy RTX, I can go buy 2080ti SLI without issues any time of the month, but I'm not blinded by the idiocy of having to have the fastest gear at every point in time. These GPUs are nothing to get envious about either, they are inefficient updates to Pascal, there is no beauty here, just a blunt weapon swinging at reflections in a crude way on a questionable process.

I don't think it'll happen, ever. This is why I'd also say that the RTX cards may have changed the GPU landscape forever, at least price wise.

I think that is accurate. If the metric remains to be perf/dollar based on FPS, then it will surely have changed. The die has to be bigger, there is no way around it.

The real question is, how far can they optimize it, and how much will the market take. The problems people ran into with mining in terms of pricing are telling, there isn't this much left to be stretched in terms of price. People resorted to 1060's for the most part, while close to Pascal launch, everyone jumped on 1070s.

 

[Voluman]

Thanks for reviewing these, now lets see another title, how will going.
Well its not so bad for a start, but those expectations and hypetrain...where can join to nv marketing team?

 

[mouacyk]

i personally never bought my 2080ti for its f-cking ray tracing abilities.. i never expected them to be of much use anyways.. i bought it because its the best there is and i could afford the price..

but its quite clear most of the negative comments in this thread are motivated simply by out and out hardware envy.. tis a shame its so prevalent..

trog

Nothing against you. Even you can appreciate it if NVidia sold another SKU or just plain left out the RTX crap and actually improved the raster performance by 50% instead of 25% at most. Tough -- they happen to have a special market position right now. But, we can certainly express our discontent with their sleight-of-hand, right?

 

[stimpy88]

Nothing against you. Even you can appreciate it if NVidia sold another SKU or just plain left out the RTX crap and actually improved the raster performance by 50% instead of 25% at most. Tough -- they happen to have a special market position right now. But, we can certainly express our discontent with their sleight-of-hand, right?

Don’t expect an adult conversation with someone like that. You will never win, and he has done a fantastic job of proving just how capable he is at thinking.

 

[iO]

Wow that's bad. Now imagine the performance if some dev tries to implement more RT stuff like shadows , AO or global illumination and not just shiny reflections...

 

[Robcostyle]

What I would do really doesn't matter. Obviously people are willing to pay for it. The card isn't made for everyone. If you don't think it is a good value then it isn't FOR you. It is pretty amazing though it can play 4K with ray tracing over 30 FPS.

That sounds like a lowgrade troll. Not very good-looking from someone with Staff member label.

 

[unikin]

Did you see Turing Quadro presentation? "Buy as many GPUs you can afford to save more" coming from Jensen's mouth numerus times during presentation. He even urged public to repeat it. I'd even understand this behavior if he was addressing gaming market but he was addressing Pros. Some people just walked out and rightfully so. WTF is wrong with NVidia? Have they completely lost it? Can't wait for Intel and Chinese to enter GPU market. Such ridiculous presentation should not be tolerated by consumers be it big data centers, designers or gamers.

 

[Vayra86]

Did you see Turing Quadro presentation? "Buy as many GPUs you can afford to save more" coming from Jensen's mouth numerus times during presentation. He even urged public to repeat it. I'd understand if he was addressing gaming market but he was addressing Pros. Some people just walked out and rightfully so. WTF is wrong with NVidia? Have they completely lost it. Can't wait for Intel and Chinese to enter GPU market. Such ridiculous should not be tolerated by consumers be it big data centers, designers or gamers.

Got a link? Or are you referring to GDC keynote?

Ah yes, the famous 10 gigarays speech Saw that

 

[unikin]

Got a link? Or are you referring to GDC keynote?

SIGGRAPH 2018 - NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang - Reinventing Computer Graphics (I can't find his another presentation… It was way way worse. He didn't repeated twice, but 5 or more times).

 

[Upgrayedd]

Hmm what about a dedicated tracing card without all the cuda and deep learning? A card strictly for RTX, like the old PhysX cards.

 

[HTC]

Hmm what about a dedicated tracing card without all the cuda and deep learning? A card strictly for RTX, like the old PhysX cards.

Interesting idea: would probably make the RT chips way smaller because they wouldn't require the tensor part (if i'm not mistaken), thus the chips could be much cheaper.

Would make nVidia much less money though because they wouldn't have "RT's excuse" to drive the prices high and most would buy the RT cards but not the "new RT addon card".

 

[Vya Domus]

I'm not understanding why people are trying to pass negative views off as jealousy or opinion.

I do, it's the easiest way to shut someone down without using much brain power. Of course that'll be the most prevalent argument. Remember kids when you disagree with someone just tell them they are haters and are being jealous . 14-year old level internet arguing techniques 101.

but its quite clear most of the negative comments in this thread are motivated simply by out and out hardware envy.. tis a shame its so prevalent..

Textbook example.

Hmm what about a dedicated tracing card without all the cuda and deep learning? A card strictly for RTX, like the old PhysX cards.

That would be so backwards, it would genuinely feel like going back 3 decades ago when the only graphics workstation out there had entirely independent boards that would fulfill separate roles, one reasterization , one texturing, etc.

 

[trog100]

Nice boast you got in there bro... shrug it off, and blame the plebs for not being able to afford it. Make you look like da MAN!

I wish I could be you... Ah hang on, then I’d look like a trigger-happy thick idiot with an e-peen prematurely blasting its load on anything shiny kind of guy... Seriously dude, not a good look.

i dont blame the plebs for not being able to afford it.. i do blame them for knocking it just because they cant afford it.. now if you think this aint happened on a grand scale not lot i can do about that..

trog

 

[Easy Rhino]

So you’d be happy paying $1200 for a card that runs as well as a $300 card for a “feature” I’m not sure if your serious or just being obtuse. INOBODY wants to play an FPS at 30FPS, Now you’re really reaching. The card is already in a new realm of pricing this “feature” now that it’s exposed adds no value to it at all. I’m sure sales will double with these new benchmarks. Please you’re having a laugh

Again, what I think doesn't matter. This card clearly is not made for YOU or for others with budgets in mind. Why do you care so much how other people spend their money?

 

[R0H1T]

Interesting idea: would probably make the RT chips way smaller because they wouldn't require the tensor part (if i'm not mistaken), thus the chips could be much cheaper.

Would make nVidia much less money though because they wouldn't have "RT's excuse" to drive the prices high and most would buy the RT cards but not the "new RT addon card".

Something like that is coming, but still some ways away. Even AMD isn't going "chiplet" GPU anytime soon, though if I'd have to guess I'd say Nvidia, with their extra cash, will deploy something like that first.

AMD’s Navi will be a traditional monolithic GPU, not a multi-chip module

Just to be clear I'm talking wrt dedicated die for RT then probably "glued" together, in due course of time, with a regular GPU should the need arise for such a solution any time in the future.