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Hi Guys,

I’ve used VLC player for years to play DVDs but now I want to use it and JRiver to play, but not rip, BDs. I’ve tried and failed more than once to correctly install these things https://www.lifewire.com/play-blu-rays-on-windows-10-4582918 And these presumably more exacting steps are even way more confusing.

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=176924

Again, I have no need or interest in ripping BDs. And I have no problem with propriety software, but with Redfox gone can anyone say how reliable this or another solution is for 1080p BD movie playback on VLC and JRiver? https://www.dvdfab.cn/passkey-for-blu-ray.htm
 

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PC support for BD has long been dead and never really supported properly to begin with. All the Anti-Piracy hurt the consumer. With once again I can use (BLANK) to pull the files and watch it / bypass those measures.
 

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PC support for BD has long been dead and never really supported properly to begin with. All the Anti-Piracy hurt the consumer. With once again I can use (BLANK) to pull the files and watch it / bypass those measures.

What really pisses me off about all of this is because we, in Sweden, has a legal right to make copies of our bought media. We even pay a fee on storage for it!* But we're not allowed to bypass copy protection, meaning I have a legal right to make backup copies of say a bluray disc but bypassing the copy protection counts as piracy, and I pay for that state of affairs to be so.

*the reasoning being we'll use storage to store all those copies of physical media we're allowed to make, and as such an "agency" of sorts handles those fees and distributes that money amongs rights holders, this has been the case since the cassette was invented and the american music industry/american culture really dug into us. The premium isn't really noticable, but still!
 

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I generally just use a game console to watch Blu-Rays and if on the off chance I need to on a computer for something work related, it is impossible without essentially being a "pirate" even though I have the disc physically in hand. Its funny when I bring a old PS4 to work and the boss is confused to why hahaa.
 

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I generally just use a game console to watch Blu-Rays and if on the off chance I need to on a computer for something work related, it is impossible without essentially being a "pirate" even though I have the disc physically in hand. Its funny when I bring a old PS4 to work and the boss is confused to why hahaa.
I prefer PS3 slim for BDs as it's quieter. :D
 
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All the Anti-Piracy hurt the consumer.
That's a massive understatement.

Hi Guys,

I’ve used VLC player for years to play DVDs but now I want to use it and JRiver to play, but not rip, BDs. I’ve tried and failed more than once to correctly install these things https://www.lifewire.com/play-blu-rays-on-windows-10-4582918 And these presumably more exacting steps are even way more confusing.

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=176924

Again, I have no need or interest in ripping BDs. And I have no problem with propriety software, but with Redfox gone can anyone say how reliable this or another solution is for 1080p BD movie playback on VLC and JRiver? https://www.dvdfab.cn/passkey-for-blu-ray.htm
You would have a much easier time buying a PS4 or PS3 for playing BD. That's what I do.
 

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Thanks guys but PlayStation's no good for me. JRiver and VLC do DTS-MA decoding, which I need for my 3.1 sound system. These players also have zoom and slow motion controls, which I often find indispensable. I've posted this at a bunch of forums; hoping for a clean and simple fix.
 

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Once the disk is decrypted you can play on any program. The problem is you have to find a way to decrypt the disk, which is pretty much 90% the way there for "piracy". You can pay a whole lot of money for DVDFab BD playback, but it can be done for free too. BTW, DVDFab is also just bypassing the anti-piracy.

Passkey for Blu-ray & UHD is just decrypting the disc for you. Still need a BD drive that can do that though.
 

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Thanks guys but PlayStation's no good for me. JRiver and VLC do DTS-MA decoding, which I need for my 3.1 sound system. These players also have zoom and slow motion controls, which I often find indispensable. I've posted this at a bunch of forums; hoping for a clean and simple fix.
How about a Xbox One or newer (though I don't know about their BD-player and/or decoding capabilities) or just a standalone BD-player?

Once the disk is decrypted you can play on any program. The problem is you have to find a way to decrypt the disk, which is pretty much 90% the way there for "piracy".
The newer a DRM is, the more anti-consumer it is. I already hated those unskippable anti-piracy warnings when I moved from VHS to DVD back in the day and used PS2 for DVD playback. :banghead:
 

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You can pay a whole lot of money for DVDFab BD playback, but it can be done for free too. BTW, DVDFab is also just bypassing the anti-piracy.

Passkey for Blu-ray & UHD is just decrypting the disc for you. Still need a BD drive that can do that though.
For me, $80. is worth saving lots of aggravation, IF it decrypts the BD error free and does so reasonably fast. https://www.dvdfab.cn/passkey-for-blu-ray.htm

Of course, my pc has a BD drive.
 

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Read the DVDs. FAQ. You might have to flash that drive to a compatible firmware.

I'm not sure why you are actively trying to avoid the backdoor way for free and backup your disc in the process when this is exactly what Passkey does - decrypts the disc for payback. Just it cost money.

Though I don't condone piracy, you might actually be breaking the law by doing exactly this function. Grey area that consumers are stuck in. They own the product. Can't use it without break the protection, which in turn is legal (country dependent).
 

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How about a Xbox One or newer (though I don't know about their BD-player and/or decoding capabilities) or just a standalone BD-player?
As mentioned above both zoom and slow motion controls are a must. They were in virtually every DVD player back in the day, but good luck finding them in any BD player, even in Panasonic's ~ $1K top model-and no Sony models either. My lovely Oppo 95 BD player has zoom, but the designers made the incredibly dumb mistake of not enabling the remote's up, down, sideways buttons to allow centering the zoomed image on the screen! Only my equally lovely Pioneer LX500 BD player has fully functional zoom control.

However, while not true of Warners, Kino Lorber, Powerhouse Films, et al, other studios like Universal, ShoutFactory, Sony and Criterion Collection disable my players' zoom control when the BD (though not DVD) is inserted. And that's another advantage of using BD decrypting software, because unlike standalone BD players BD drives don't have that accursed BD-J chip that Hollywood forces all BD player brands to include, which forces compliance with these playback restrictions.

Furthermore, because neither of these or any BD players have a USB audio output they won't work with my chosen home theater hardware, which omits an AVR or processor. Instead, I use this multichannel DAC which recieves the decoded DTS-MA as PCM audio from JRiver or VLC player via USB.

I'm not sure why you are actively trying to avoid the backdoor way for free and backup your disc in the process when this is exactly what Passkey does - decrypts the disc for payback. Just it cost money.

Though I don't condone piracy, you might actually be breaking the law by doing exactly this function. Grey area that consumers are stuck in. They own the product. Can't use it without break the protection, which in turn is legal (country dependent).

If you read my first post I explained that I am NOT a coder, though I did my best to get free VLC player to decrypt and play BDs. I wasted enough of my precious time with that; and $80. won't break my bank.

And I resent anyone's implication that my using such decrypting software is piracy.
> 95% of BDs I'd be decyrpting to play on my system are from my personal collection, all of which were purchased by me directly from the brand or from legitimate online stores. And the rest are borrowed from local public libraries who are funded by my school taxes-and here on miserably overpopulated Long Island school taxes comprise > 65% of the average homeowner's tax bill. So, however the IP police would care to twist the truth, I am NO pirate.
 
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@cin5 I wasn't targeting you specifically. Just pointing out that BD is really anti-consumer and requires breaking the law (in some counties) just to have playback functionality on PC.
 

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@cin5 I wasn't targeting you specifically. Just pointing out that BD is really anti-consumer and requires breaking the law (in some counties) just to have playback functionality on PC.
If you recall long ago Hollywood and the CE industry were just as aggressively against ripping and/or playing DVD movies on HTPCs, as at the time it was the only high res format above VHS. Same thing with CDs until iTunes and high res downloads became available. https://www.hdtracks.com/?gclid=Cj0...aAlXMEALw_wcB#/album/5df1427d0bee25c09bc163fd

But today while 4K TVs have all but eclipsed 1080p models, 4K BDs haven't yet done so with 1080p BDs. And because those industries presume that those frequenting forums like this will pirate rather than buy BDs they do things like shutting down Redfox. It's understandable and I see their point, but I'm an innocent A/V enthusiast who prefers not to be penalized.

Btw, PowerDVD has a pretty good zoom control but unlike JRiver and I think also VLC don't think it offers DTS-MA decoding; ditto Leawo player. Thanks to an AVforum member I finally found the beta key for makeMKV. Will try it tonight. So hoping it will get VLC and JRiver to play my BDs. If yes will definitely buy licenses. Love those players.
 
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