Editorial Bulldozer Beats Politicians As The Biggest Fail

[btarunr]

Bulldozer costed me Asus Crosshair V Formula for NOTHING :-|

You have two options:

• Sell the board for a $50-ish loss (from the price you bought it for, there are plenty of people who'd want a good-as-new CVFmla for that much less), buy a cheap Z68 board + add $250 for a Core i7 2600K
• Pay $250 for the FX-8150

 

[Frederik S]

AMD should look on the bright side:
Bulldozer finally won something!!

 

[claylomax]

For our Spanish friends: http://www.chw.net/2011/11/amd-fx-gana-en-ser-mas-decepcionante-que-sandy-bridge-e-y-los-politicos/

Thanks for that. I found benchmarks of Sandy Bridge-E 8 core on their home page, not official but still.

 

[xenocide]

with the proper compiler, the BD is upto 30% faster than it's stock situation @ http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=open64_50_bulldozer

IIt got a 30% boost in 2/3 tests in SciMark alone, and in most other programs didn't break a 5% gain. I see no reason to get excited and claim BD is just poorly optimized when from the get-go it was mostly poorly DESIGNED

I'm happy with my FX6100 (especially at the price tag of $100 bucks).

I have 6 cores at 4.5Ghz with 1.45 volts.

Compared to my Phenom 965 which was quad core at 4.0ghz with 1.475 volts maxed out.

Nobody felt obligated to point this out to you, but that's not really true. You have 6 Modules, across 3 Cores. You can only move 1 thread at a time through each CORE, but at the same time have 1 thread at a time in each Module. Basically, you have a tri-core with hyper-threading deluxe edition. On heavily threaded tasks you should see a performance gain, but very few games use more than 4 threads, so odds are the Phenom II would perform better at the same clock than that FX given it's greater per-thread performance. Of course on things like Encoding the FX will definitely do better.

 

[Recus]

Yeah, for sure. But I feel that nVidia is in a more precarious position than AMD is. The current talk of ARM and Windows is the one thing that might save nVidia. Nvidia working with ARM designs is probably a big part of the reason there is such a push for those designs, even, and probably why we keep hearing about them. For nVidia to succeed...ARM needs to be recognized by consumers.


AMD bought ATi, as the integration of CPU and GPU into the same silicon was inevitable. If they had not made the move when they did, current FM1 chips wouldn't be as good as they are now. Those chips...are fantastic. But there's no real marketing of the FM1 platform, because board partner profits seem low within that platform.


The "percieved" failure of AMD isn't a failure at all..but merely the tough time between transitioning the company's focus from being a CPU-focused brand, to a homogenous computing brand. Of course the CPU side of things is going to suffer...that's what needs to make the greatest changes. That fact that this is ignored quite often is shocking, to say the least.


Although BD in the desktop space seem like a bad product, it's actually far more exciting than most think; it only seems bad because consumers(enthusiast sites) perceive AMD as a CPU company..which they are not.

I mean, I've said time and agian that nVidia is NOT a hardware comany...that they are a software company, that just happens to make some hardware too. Of course, I got that from nVidia's CEO making a speech...


Likewise, AMD is not a CPU company. AMD's only failure is educating their consumers on that change, as nVidia has failed to distingish themselves as a software-focused company.


I don't see why that's a big deal...or why it makes Intel better than AMD. They aren't even in direct competition with each other. Marketing would like you to think so, but truly, each has their own separate markets, and each excels in meeting that markets needs.

Desperate fanboy nonsenses. AMD failed and you can't admit facts without mentioning Nvidia?

 

[Fx]

Desperate fanboy nonsenses. AMD failed and you can't admit facts without mentioning Nvidia?

smh, so many Intel fanboys spew nonsense and for what reason?

ok, so Intel is doing great. they have great cpus and good SSDs and are making a lot of money...

but who the hell are you to say that AMD fails when they are a widely recognized industry leader in many markets. some of their products perform the best in their respective market

just because they havent had the fastest cpu for years doesnt constitute failure... that is just one product. the problem lies in your head because you have attached AMD as soley a cpu company

using your logic I could say that Intel is an epic failure because they have NEVER been able to create jack shit for graphics!

 

[W1zzard]

using your logic I could say that Intel is an epic failure because they have NEVER been able to create jack shit for graphics!

intel is selling more graphics than anyone else on the planet, and they make more money with it than all the remaining "players" combined

 

[Recus]

they are a widely recognized industry leader in many markets. some of their products perform the best in their respective market

just because they havethnt had the fastest cpu for years doesnt constitute failure... at is just one product. the problem lies in your head because you have attached AMD as soley a cpu company

So AMD isn't CPU company?

using your logic I could say that Intel is an epic failure because they have NEVER been able to create jack shit for graphics!

Maybe because Intel is CPU company?

Yes, I am an ATi fanboy. Have stated that many times. But ATi doesn't exist any more.


If you look between the lines, I am insinuating that nVidia is the main force behind the push to ARM, and all the chatter about it. As a major player in the market with no CPU, they stand to benfit the most from ARM getting used in Windows.

Of course, admitting FACTS is a good thing...mention of nVidia is bad? We have but 3 major silicon players...Intel, AMD, and nVidia. Very few others make silicon that is used in nearly every PC, except those three, so yes, it's hard to talk about CPU/GPU designs without mentioning nVidia.

Why is that a bad thing? I don't get it. I like to talk about everyone that may have some affect in things like this...ignoring such a large part of the industry seems foolish, as nVidia does weigh in on this subject, quite specifically so, when talking about CPU designs.

I mean, you can say I am biased all you like...I will never deny that. But because I am very open with my bias, it's not an issue...you simply need to consider that bias when reading my comments. I'm not some emotion-less machine that has no personal feelings, and to deny those feelings is asinine.

Well, now I understood.

 

[cadaveca]

Desperate fanboy nonsenses. AMD failed and you can't admit facts without mentioning Nvidia?

Yes, I am an ATi fanboy. Have stated that many times. But ATi doesn't exist any more.


If you look between the lines, I am insinuating that nVidia is the main force behind the push to ARM, and all the chatter about it. As a major player in the market with no CPU, they stand to benfit the most from ARM getting used in Windows.


Of course, admitting FACTS is a good thing...mention of nVidia is bad? We have but 3 major silicon players...Intel, AMD, and nVidia. Very few others make silicon that is used in nearly every PC, except those three, so yes, it's hard to talk about CPU/GPU designs without mentioning nVidia.

Why is that a bad thing? I don't get it. I like to talk about everyone that may have some affect in things like this...ignoring such a large part of the industry seems foolish, as nVidia does weigh in on this subject, quite specifically so, when talking about CPU designs.

I mean, you can say I am biased all you like...I will never deny that. But because I am very open with my bias, it's not an issue...you simply need to consider that bias when reading my comments. I'm not some emotion-less machine that has no personal feelings, and to deny those feelings is asinine.

intel is selling more graphics than anyone else on the planet, and they make more money with it than all the remaining "players" combined

Intel basically owns the entire industry. they are THE major force in nearly every market they have products in, and nearly everyone else marches to the beat of their drum.

So AMD isn't CPU company?

Not 100%, no. They also make GPUs and chipsets. It's a weird mix not seen elsewhere in the same ratios, and kinda explains why they are having issues. They need to switch focus.

 

[3volvedcombat]

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So AMD isn't CPU company?



Maybe because Intel is CPU company?

idk this, you are really trolling sometimes

AMD merged with ATI sometimes back, there offices and CEO's manage both video cards and processors. They release platforms via graphics, and processors, and chipset and code-name them.

There not considered to be only a CPU company. Other then the entire bulldozer architecture low performance and disappointment, everything else they have released has been great sense 07-08. People are still running llano CPU's. amd apu's were also a good release for there side.

Intel is also not just a cpu company either, they manufacture Motherboards, CPU's, SSD's. They fail in there own aspects, their greedy, real greedy sometimes. They have never released anything with price in consideration, that being said, the competition is usually slower by minimal percent. Not talking Pentium or value CPU's, a genuine high end model out priced compared to the competition which performs with 90+% of there product.

 

[Fx]

intel is selling more graphics than anyone else on the planet, and they make more money with it than all the remaining "players" combined

I can assure you that their graphics arent being sold because of their merit

it quite simply is because they are bundled in a product that uses their own cpu

 

[Frick]

I can assure you that their graphics arent being sold because of their merit

it quite simply is because they are bundled in a product that uses their own cpu

And for most users that is perfect.

 

[Fx]

And for most users that is perfect.

yes, it is- but so is AMD's solutions for those same users

one of AMD's problems is that Intel has far greater mindshare

 

[3volvedcombat]

yes, it is- but so is AMD's solutions for those same users

one of AMD's problems is that Intel has far greater mindshare

Ill tell you this, when I was working at my local tech shop in my valley.
My boss would tell me and I would notice that people are really all about the name.

He would not stock much AMD product simply because the people did not approve of the name, tons of customers would always head to "Intel" which we stocked in store much more often basically because of the name.

Intel really does have more mind share, and the more commercials and advertising released, the more AMD needs to push to compete with that.

Intel sounds better to the average ipod smart person then AMD does, still to this day.

But with AMD on the console game, and on Mac's there eventually might be some leveling in quality and appeal to the norm of customers.

 

[ensabrenoir]

Ill tell you this, when I was working at my local tech shop in my valley.
My boss would tell me and I would notice that people are really all about the name.

He would not stock much AMD product simply because the people did not approve of the name, tons of customers would always head to "Intel" which we stocked in store much more often basically because of the name.

Intel really does have more mind share, and the more commercials and advertising released, the more AMD needs to push to compete with that.

Intel sounds better to the average ipod smart person then AMD does, still to this day.

But with AMD on the console game, and on Mac's there eventually might be some leveling in quality and appeal to the norm of customers.

You know......I've never seen an amd comercial.......ever. is it just me or they never made one.

 

[AsRock]

Even if every AMD bulldozer chip blow up on use it would not beat Politicians BS.. Anyone who thinks other wise must live in the middle of no were.

 

[etayorius]

Just give me a damn PhenomII for AM3 with 8 cores on 28nm Clocked to 4.5ghz and i am happy as hell, keep that Bulldozer shit away from my wallet.

 

[Thefumigator]

I can forgive AMD for failing occasionally. Maybe their latest BD offerings weren't up to the expectations but AMD still has a good portafolio of products, beginning with Sempron 140 all the way up to a Phenom X6.

I can't forgive Intel for failing, not even once, they've got everything to make things right from the beginning, huge resources, great engineering team, marketing dominance, etc. Still they may fail, they did with the SB chipset bug, but they fixed it on time. Still don't know why they don't put bigger efforts on the GPU side, but I can conclude they don't care/don't need, or they try but they just aren't good at it, despite latest improvements over here and there.

 

[ensabrenoir]

I can forgive AMD for failing occasionally. Maybe their latest BD offerings weren't up to the expectations but AMD still has a good portafolio of products, beginning with Sempron 140 all the way up to a Phenom X6.

I can't forgive Intel for failing, not even once, they've got everything to make things right from the beginning, huge resources, great engineering team, marketing dominance, etc. Still they may fail, they did with the SB chipset bug, but they fixed it on time. Still don't know why they don't put bigger efforts on the GPU side, but I can conclude they don't care/don't need, or they try but they just aren't good at it, despite latest improvements over here and there.

Yes gpu wise intel. Sorta kinda stink...but they're working on it compute gpus showing some promise.....I think nvdia + intel = awesome squared