Can a GTX 1650 run on a 240W PSU?

[KsicVectorK16]

Hello TPU people. First of all, sorry for the broken English that you will read (Google translator)

There is a question and that is that I currently have a Lenovo Thinkcentre M81 Type 5042 SFF PC. I want to put a graphics card on it but I am concerned about the issue of PSU consumption since it has a 240W capacity. Oh and before you think anything, I'm from a third world country... So there's that problem.

So in this case, do you recommend me the GT 1030G DDR5 (I mention it because it is safer for the psu), GTX 1050 or GTX 1650 Low profile. The specifications of my PC are the following:

Intel Core i3-2120
10Gb RAM (4 DDR3 ram memory modules and in a few weeks I will increase it to 16Gb)
HDD 2.5' 500Gb 5400RPM (Improvement to do, a 1TB SSD)

PSU: 240W (From FSP Group)

I will read and “try” to reply your comments

 

[iameatingjam]

I mean its not ideal but I think it should work (I understand affordable parts can be hard to find in certain parts of the world.) I would not go with the 1050 and definitely not the 1030... assuming its games you want to play on this... 1650 is the way to go. And its going to be... older games at lower resolutions even then. Go any lower than that and you wont be happy. 1050 is half as fast. And 1030 is half as fast again

 

[Hyderz]

the 1650 uses 75w if that helps i would say that is borderline on the psu... with all the other components?
if you are going to upgrade the other stuff say change the cpu, add more ram i would be more comfortable with a 300w or 350w psu...

 

[masterdeejay]

The GTX1650 rated 75w, cpu is 65w (but i think it is in lower real life usage)
Your psu 12v rated at 17A that is aprox 200w so you can use any low profile card that not need extra power connector.

For video card i think RX6400 is better. In general, nvidia cards are much more cpu dependent.
It is recommended to upgrade to a real 4 core cpu, but that is over the psu limit. This is an FSP psu so it is not going to burn or something, but there is chance it is going to turn off with i5-i7 95w cpu and 75w video card at peak loads.
It is much easier to replace the complete rig, because the psu is a smaller form factor not a standard atx size.
For the cheapest upgrade i recommend used 750ti low profile. I know that is a weaker card but for that cpu is limiting newer cards.

Or if you don't care about how the pc looks that you can use full height cards that not need extra power connector.
I live in the poorest country in Europe, so I know a few things about getting the most out of a little money.



What games do you want to play?

 

[iameatingjam]

Assuming you get 2x8gb ddr3 ram, 1 sata ssd and a couple fans:

Looks like you'll just make it. You can always undervolt the parts too. Use msi afterburner to undervolt the gpu and throttlestop to undervolt the cpu. Can shave a few watts off that way for at least a bit of a buffer.

Edit: nevermind, can't undervolt this cpu.

 

[Bomby569]

unless i'm reading it wrong, it has 86W for 3v and 5v and the rest for 12v, so only 154W for 12v.

that's a 65w CPU (that will heavily botleneck that card btw, not sure that's a good idea to pair them) and 75w for gpu, for a total of 140W, almost nothing else left on the 12v rail.

 

[iameatingjam]

The GTX1650 rated 75w, cpu is 65w (but i think it is in lower real life usage)
Your psu 12v rated at 17A that is aprox 200w so you can use any low profile card that not need extra power connector.

For video card i think RX6400 is better. In general, nvidia cards are much more cpu dependent.
It is recommended to upgrade to a real 4 core cpu, but that is over the psu limit. This is an FSP psu so it is not going to burn or something, but there is chance it is going to turn off with i5-i7 95w cpu and 75w video card at peak loads.
It is much easier to replace the complete rig, because the psu is a smaller form factor not a standard atx size.
For the cheapest upgrade i recommend used 750ti low profile. I know that is a weaker card but for that cpu is limiting newer cards. Or if you don't care about how the pc looks that you can use full height cards that not need extra power connector.

What games do you want to play?

Hmmmm. Could upgrade to something like a i5 3330. Has 4 cores. Costs $10. Only uses 10w more power and its 20% faster. But thats even closer to the line.

 

[masterdeejay]

unless i'm reading it wrong, it has 86W for 3v and 5v and the rest for 12v, so only 154W for 12v.

that's a 65w CPU (that will heavily botleneck that card btw, not sure that's a good idea to pair them) and 75w for gpu, for a total of 140W, almost nothing else left on the 12v rail.

12v @17A ~204w

3.3+5 is rated 86w (then 154w is max for the 12v) but it only happens when you attach a lot of 5v thing like USB devices, HDDs
3.3+5+12 rated 240w
18.7W = the -12v is only needed for legacy devices (isa bus, and some SMI, LPC other things), VSB is for stand by)
when the 12v is fully loaded (at 200w) the other 3.3+5v is rated az 40w max. But 40w for the 5v is enough.
The video card and the cpu uses the most power and that is from the 12v line.

So it can work with 95w i7 and 75w gpu but with high load it can turn off. It's possible that the power supply is over designed so it can handle much more than 17A. This is a good brand, not some noname, but also old and i think the capacitors in the psu it not 100% health.

 

[masterdeejay]

Are you sure? Not that I trust these calculators, but I know sandy bridge cpus aren't bad for casual gaming. Never had an i3. But I used an ivy bridge i5 all the way up to 2022, with a 1070. Played lots of modern games. 2120 is pretty weak, but so is the 1650. Could be wrong but I'm not convinced it would be a bottleneck, though obviously depends on the game. OP didn't tell us what he wants to do with the computer.




According to this it would be a bottleneck, the other way around.

Sandy bridge i3 was not bad at the time, but today real 4 core is minimum for games.

 

[iameatingjam]

Sandy bridge i3 was not bad at the time, but today real 4 core is minimum for games.

Hmmm yeah well 4 core cpus that go on that socket are a dime a dozen on ebay. We'd be getting pretty close to that power limit though. I suggested the i5 3330, it'd be a 20% improvement but 12w more power. idk. I was thinking undervolting but I never tried with such an old cpu and google says it isn't possible. Too bad. Maybe gain a few watts through the gpu?

Apparently there's a cpu called the i5 3330S, that uses less power, only 65w, same as the 2120, but with 4 cores and more cache. Only $6 on ebay. Maybe thats the way to go.

 

[AusWolf]

A good quality 240 W power supply should have no problem driving a 1050 Ti or 1650... but I assume it's a pre-built system with a not so good PSU, so the 1030 would suit better. Others have mentioned the RX 6400, but I wouldn't bother because the motherboard's PCI-e 2.0 would severely bottleneck it.

 

[Hyderz]

A good quality 240 W power supply should have no problem driving a 1050 Ti or 1650... but I assume it's a pre-built system with a not so good PSU, so the 1030 would suit better. Others have mentioned the RX 6400, but I wouldn't bother because the motherboard's PCI-e 2.0 would severely bottleneck it.

Also I was thinking how old is that darn psu

 

[masterdeejay]

A good quality 240 W power supply should have no problem driving a 1050 Ti or 1650... but I assume it's a pre-built system with a not so good PSU, so the 1030 would suit better. Others have mentioned the RX 6400, but I wouldn't bother because the motherboard's PCI-e 2.0 would severely bottleneck it.

It's an FSP, usually a good brand. But that is 10y old, so yes it is possible the peak performance is degraded. Lasts forever with replaced capacitors.
My oldest psu is an 600w Delta 20y old from socket604 hp server, still working.

 

[QuietBob]

I currently have a Lenovo Thinkcentre M81 Type 5042 SFF PC

First of all, I believe it's Type 5032. There is no 5042 model in the M81 line.

As has been said, your power supply could realistically deliver about 200 W. It should have no problems running a GTX1650 card, as long as it doesn't require an extra 6-pin PCIe power connector. Unfortunately, your upgrade options are very limited because of the small form factor and the proprietary PSU it uses. You may be able to upgrade the CPU to the i7-2600S with 4 cores and 8 threads, which is the fastest 65 W processor compatible with your platform. And getting 2x 8GB DDR3-1333 modules is a good choice.

 

[P4-630]

I live in the poorest country in Europe

But we do have the F1 GP next week at the Hungaroring....

 

[iameatingjam]

First of all, I believe it's Type 5032. There is no 5042 model in the M81 line.

As has been said, your power supply could realistically deliver about 200 W. It should have no problems running a GTX1650 card, as long as it doesn't require an extra 6-pin PCIe power connector. Unfortunately, your upgrade options are very limited because of the small form factor and the proprietary PSU it uses. You may be able to upgrade the CPU to the i7-2600S with 4 cores and 8 threads, which is the fastest 65 W processor compatible with your platform. And getting 2x 8GB DDR3-1333 modules is a good choice.

Interesting.... It looks like all the cpus that end with S have a 65w tdp. Even the i7-3770S. Crazy. Well I feel stupid for suggesting the i5 3330 now. I just assumed the lower end would consume less power. Wouldn't the 3770s be compatible with his system then? Assuming there's a bios update that can handle it.

Then again, looks like its quite a bit more expensive. ~$50, which may be too much for OP idk. 2600s is up there too. Looks like the i5 3570S is more like $15.

A good quality 240 W power supply should have no problem driving a 1050 Ti or 1650... but I assume it's a pre-built system with a not so good PSU, so the 1030 would suit better. Others have mentioned the RX 6400, but I wouldn't bother because the motherboard's PCI-e 2.0 would severely bottleneck it.

Assuming its games OP wants to play... I don't think the 1030 would be very good. Then again maybe he just needs a display adapter he never really told us.

 

[AusWolf]

Assuming its games OP wants to play... I don't think the 1030 would be very good. Then again maybe he just needs a display adapter he never really told us.

That is true, but an old, low quality 240 W PSU might struggle to feed more.

 

[Lew Zealand]

FWIW, I've been messing with Ivy Bridge and Haswell CPUs a lot recently in old Optiplex prebuilts and regardless of stated TDP, the standard 4-core parts (no suffix) use 40-50W in most usage. If you use a power virus like some of the y-cruncher tests they can suck down 75W but when gaming or even running Handbrake on 4c8t, they stay under 50W. Yeah, Intel's max TDPs meant something back then.

IMO the i5-3330 would work fine, and even the i7-3770 would work or at least the one I have that stays at 46W max. But stay away from the RX 6400 because of PCIe 2.0. Now I have a friend doing just that and it works but her gaming is low-end. The 1650 would be best and just undervolt and power-limit it to 60W or similar. My 1050 Ti works fine that way.

 

[AusWolf]

FWIW, I've been messing with Ivy Bridge and Haswell CPUs a lot recently in old Optiplex prebuilts and regardless of stated TDP, the standard 4-core parts (no suffix) use 40-50W in most usage. If you use a power virus like some of the y-cruncher tests they can suck down 75W but when gaming or even running Handbrake on 4c8t, they stay under 50W. Yeah, Intel's max TDPs meant something back then.

IMO the i5-3330 would work fine, and even the i7-3770 would work or at least the one I have that stays at 46W max.

Even a 3770T with a 45 W TDP could do wonders. 45 W CPU + 75 W GPU + 100 W other components and safety margin = 220 W. In this case, I can recommend a 1650.

 

[iameatingjam]

That is true, but an old, low quality 240 W PSU might struggle to feed more.

Yeah its a bit of a gamble I think I'd still try the 1650 low profile with an undervolt. Then some 4 core $10 cpu. The cheapest sata ssd you can find and 16GB ddr3 ram. Thats enough to play modern games with perhaps some fsr. But with a 1030 you have 2GB of vram on a 64 bit bus. Thats really going to struggle. Some games probably wouldn't even launch.

 

[docnorth]

The GTX1650 rated 75w, cpu is 65w (but i think it is in lower real life usage)
Your psu 12v rated at 17A that is aprox 200w so you can use any low profile card that not need extra power connector.

For video card i think RX6400 is better. In general, nvidia cards are much more cpu dependent.
It is recommended to upgrade to a real 4 core cpu, but that is over the psu limit. This is an FSP psu so it is not going to burn or something, but there is chance it is going to turn off with i5-i7 95w cpu and 75w video card at peak loads.
It is much easier to replace the complete rig, because the psu is a smaller form factor not a standard atx size.
For the cheapest upgrade i recommend used 750ti low profile. I know that is a weaker card but for that cpu is limiting newer cards.

Or if you don't care about how the pc looks that you can use full height cards that not need extra power connector.
I live in the poorest country in Europe, so I know a few things about getting the most out of a little money.

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What games do you want to play?

Not sure about it but the i3-2120 probably is PCI-e 2.0. If so a RX 6400 should lose (>)1/3 of its performance (but could still have a much better price/performance ratio than GT 1030).

Edit: @AusWolf already mentioned PCI-e 2.0

Hello TPU people. First of all, sorry for the broken English that you will read (Google translator)

There is a question and that is that I currently have a Lenovo Thinkcentre M81 Type 5042 SFF PC. I want to put a graphics card on it but I am concerned about the issue of PSU consumption since it has a 240W capacity. Oh and before you think anything, I'm from a third world country... So there's that problem.

So in this case, do you recommend me the GT 1030G DDR5 (I mention it because it is safer for the psu), GTX 1050 or GTX 1650 Low profile. The specifications of my PC are the following:

Intel Core i3-2120
10Gb RAM (4 DDR3 ram memory modules and in a few weeks I will increase it to 16Gb)
HDD 2.5' 500Gb 5400RPM (Improvement to do, a 1TB SSD)

PSU: 240W (From FSP Group)

I will read and “try” to reply your comments

You probaly have a prebuilt SFF PC. First of all you should check if any GPU from Nvidia 700 series and newer is compatible or if a BIOS update will make it compatible. The same stands for RX 6400, but I have no specific knowledge about it.
If the answer is positive, the 1650 with a lower power limit and/or undervolting via MSI Afterburner is your best option.

 

[Assimilator]

First of all you should check if any GPU from Nvidia 700 series and newer is compatible or if a BIOS update will make it compatible.

This is a very important point. Given the age of this prebuilt it may not support UEFI, which would immediately rule out pretty much any GPU upgrade.

My honest suggestion would be to try to sell this machine for whatever you can get, and use the cash you get from the sale to buy a cheap AM4 system. Sandy Bridge is so old at this point that any sort of semi-new component you try to put in it will either not work, or be hamstrung in some manner. Not to mention that DDR3 is so old and so scarce that it is now more expensive than DDR4.

As someone who also grew up in a third-world country, there is almost certainly a thriving PC hardware trading community where you'll be able to both flog your prebuilt, and pick up AM4 parts for dirt cheap from those who are upgrading. Even the lowest of low-end AM4 builds (A520 board with 1500X CPU, 16GB DDR4-2133, 450W PSU, random generic case) will be massively faster than your current system, and far more upgradeable.

 

[csendesmark]

Hello TPU people. First of all, sorry for the broken English that you will read (Google translator)

There is a question and that is that I currently have a Lenovo Thinkcentre M81 Type 5042 SFF PC. I want to put a graphics card on it but I am concerned about the issue of PSU consumption since it has a 240W capacity. Oh and before you think anything, I'm from a third world country... So there's that problem.

So in this case, do you recommend me the GT 1030G DDR5 (I mention it because it is safer for the psu), GTX 1050 or GTX 1650 Low profile. The specifications of my PC are the following:

Intel Core i3-2120
10Gb RAM (4 DDR3 ram memory modules and in a few weeks I will increase it to 16Gb)
HDD 2.5' 500Gb 5400RPM (Improvement to do, a 1TB SSD)

PSU: 240W (From FSP Group)

I will read and “try” to reply your comments

You don't want to run your PSU on it max rated power for prolonged times,
I would recommend keeping your consumption around or under 200W if you have a 240W power unit.
It is only my recommendation.

 

[QuietBob]

Wouldn't the 3770s be compatible with his system then? Assuming there's a bios update that can handle it.

The motherboards in the ThinkCentre M81 lineup use the B65 and Q65 chipsets, neither of which supports Ivy Bridge. Sadly, I don't think anything faster than the i7-2600S I already suggested would work.

Technically, the 2600K should also be OK (it was offered with the machine), but I wouldn't pair it with a 75 W discrete GPU using an old 200 W PSU.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

You'll be fine. I've run 1650s on lower power supplies without issue.