Cezanne Stretches Its Legs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800H System Benchmarked

[Punkenjoy]

Main issue with AMD laptop parts, is AMD is not able to make enough to really take market share. Intel have the production, people need laptop, and trying to get an AMD laptop with the newest chips is hard.

Intel is still a huge chip maker and is able to produce in volume. TSMC can probably produce very large volumes, but for many customers...

 

[yotano211]

Main issue with AMD laptop parts, is AMD is not able to make enough to really take market share. Intel have the production, people need laptop, and trying to get an AMD laptop with the newest chips is hard.

Intel is still a huge chip maker and is able to produce in volume. TSMC can probably produce very large volumes, but for many customers...

There is no laptops with anything higher than a Nvidia 2060.

 

[Chrispy_]

They make up small volume sales but profit margins are much higher on higher end laptops with those "h" processors.

I disagree. The cheap whitebooks made by Clevo etc and resold by Medion, Sager, Schenker etc all use H-series - usually coupled with discrete nvidia GPUs. It also ends up in the entry-level gaming laptops like the Huawei Matebook and Asus TUF (which is just about the cheapest, nastiest, most plastic gaming laptop ASUS make). There's nothing premium about H-series chips at all.

H-series are low-yields that result from leaky silicon that clocks high with added voltage but isn't efficient. The really high profit margins are in the premium U-series ultrabook space where it's okay to charge $1500 for a 15W CPU model that relies on integrated graphics, because it's lightweight and promises all-day battery life from its efficient CPU. Hell, lots of companies slap $5 of carbon fibre somewhere and decide that it's worth selling at an extra $400 compared to their regular aluminium models of the same spec.

 

[Regenweald]

8 core zen 3 may finally get me to pull the trigger on a new laptop. I've wanted one for years but couldn't justify the meager performance increases.

Same here, I'm a desktop guy but a powerful, well built laptop may suit my current life situation better.

 

[thesmokingman]

What makes you think that?

His ass told em so.

 

[AlB80]

TGL is 10-25% faster in ST workloads: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/5357844?baseline=3710380 and that's far more important for > 95% of users out there.

You forgot to say that TGL is 10-25% faster in selected ST workloads and sometimes Cezanne is 30% faster.
Also TGL has advantage with +8.5% core freq and LPDDR4-4133 on board.

 

[Flanker]

His ass told em so.

 

[birdie]

You forgot to say that TGL is 10-25% faster in selected ST workloads and sometimes Cezanne is 30% faster.
Also TGL has advantage with +8.5% core freq and LPDDR4-4133 on board.

In which ST workloads Ryzen is faster except Gaussian Blue? Enlighten me. I see TGL beating the hell out of Ryzen. Sometimes it helps to remove fanboy glasses and pay attention to reality.

 

[R0H1T]

I see TGL beating the hell out of Ryzen.

You're talking about zen3 huh? Find me a benchmark where TGL beats the hell out of AMD with the exception of some exotic instructions Intel introduces ever so often ~ btw which less than 0.0001% of the world's population even knows of let alone uses

 

[dyonoctis]

In which ST workloads Ryzen is faster except Gaussian Blue? Enlighten me. I see TGL beating the hell out of Ryzen. Sometimes it helps to remove fanboy glasses and pay attention to reality.

In the absolute best condition TGL can beat the hell out of Ryzen*. Besides, we don't even know if that leaked score was made in the absolute condition. The fact that the multithread score is lower than the 5800h already show that something is up with that laptop.

 

[yeeeeman]

Please OEMs, bring us a 1000-1200$ laptop with 1080p 144Hz screen, 5800H and RTX 3060, 512GB of SSD and 16GB of dual channel RAM. And please nvidia, make the 3060 as good as it can be, fingers crossed for rtx2080 level of performance.
As for Zen 3 vs TGL, I simply don't understand all these AMD fanboy comments. These guys have no clue about how each architecture stacks up and still thinks Intel is at Skylake level and AMD did some wizardry and gained 200% of IPC in 3 years. Reality check guys, Zen 2 is 5-10% better in IPC vs Skylake. Yeah, that 2015 architecture. And Zen 3 adds 20% over that, but TGL also add 20% over that, so the delta between Zen 3 and TGL is the same as Zen 2 vs Skylake. What is so hard to understand??? Add to that the fact that like with Skylake vs Zen 2, TGL clocks higher (4.8Ghz ST) vs 5800H at 4.3-4.5Ghz ST, so you get very similar ST performance. If that doesn't clear things up, than you are either dumb or AMD fanboys.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

Please OEMs, bring us a 1000-1200$ laptop with 1080p 144Hz screen, 5800H and RTX 3060, 512GB of SSD and 16GB of dual channel RAM. And please nvidia, make the 3060 as good as it can be, fingers crossed for rtx2080 level of performance.
As for Zen 3 vs TGL, I simply don't understand all these AMD fanboy comments. These guys have no clue about how each architecture stacks up and still thinks Intel is at Skylake level and AMD did some wizardry and gained 200% of IPC in 3 years. Reality check guys, Zen 2 is 5-10% better in IPC vs Skylake. Yeah, that 2015 architecture. And Zen 3 adds 20% over that, but TGL also add 20% over that, so the delta between Zen 3 and TGL is the same as Zen 2 vs Skylake. What is so hard to understand??? Add to that the fact that like with Skylake vs Zen 2, TGL clocks higher (4.8Ghz ST) vs 5800H at 4.3-4.5Ghz ST, so you get very similar ST performance. If that doesn't clear things up, than you are either dumb or AMD fanboys.

The pot calls the kettle black....I'm not some rabid AMD fan, but I will make this point: Intel literally has 10x the financial resources and number of employees as AMD, so intel literally, and I mean literally, as absolutely ZERO excuse for not crushing AMD. The same thing can be said for Nvidia who has a multitude more resources than AMD and yet AMD is competeing. People like to point out that Intel is still competing with "14 nm 5 year old skylake", but the MOST impressive fact, that trumps all others is that AMD is competing with Intel AND Nvidia with an exponentially smaller budget than BOTH companies. Money may not determine everything, but it determines MOST things, especially in the business world, and AMD is defying that....can anyone name any other industry in which a far, far smaller company is not only surviving, but competing and even winning against two rivals that are exponentially larger?

 

[Frick]

Nobody cares about H-series - they're high-TDP parts designed for chonkbooks and l33T g4m3r RGBLED laptops that make up about 0.3% of the market.

Look at published sales volumes; People buy 15W parts. 25W at most. When I say "people" I mean like >95% of all laptops sold to all demographics in all regions, period.

Dunno, the 4700H was very common even in lower end laptops.

 

[Hardware Geek]

Same here, I'm a desktop guy but a powerful, well built laptop may suit my current life situation better.

I'm absolutely a desktop guy as well, but unfortunately a laptop is far better for my use case.

 

[AlB80]

In which ST workloads Ryzen is faster except Gaussian Blue? Enlighten me. I see TGL beating the hell out of Ryzen. Sometimes it helps to remove fanboy glasses and pay attention to reality.

So, you agreed that TGL can be slower sometime. Good.
Now let's take a valid TGL entry - click. Five ST tests in row.

ps. One more Cezanne